List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

[giantroo]

Spoiler: 2024 Draft Picks

 

[The Nostradamus]

We can still just take 3 ND picks and pass on our last senior list spot depending on what picks we end up with and who is available

And go with 37 senior list and 7 rookies (pink and another)

Instead of 38 and 6

 

[ohmygewd]

 

[Shinboner1]

I’m working on now trying to show Brady what a cat b rookie is

It ain’t easy

He still thinks rookies are all the same

Doesn’t realise you can take 3 extras on the cat b list

Club has no extra $$ for cat b rookies.
Club sells games to WA.
Now club has $$ for extra rookies.
Win=Win.

 

[BlueandWhiteinmyBlood]

So Pink has been delisted with a club commitment to be re-signed as a rookie.

Meaning we have 4 senior spots free now - and only one pick in the top 60.

Why would you do that if you weren't planning on splitting pick 2?

Maybe we are bringing forward some future picks and we have confirmed with the clubs we are trading with which prompted us to make a decision on Pink.

 

[giantroo]

 

[Shermanator]

 

[Makeshift Park]

Maybe we are bringing forward some future picks and we have confirmed with the clubs we are trading with which prompted us to make a decision on Pink.

We can only trade forward either our first, or our second and third, unless we seek permission from AFL House, IRC.

 

[Benj7]

I’m thinking it’s pick 2 for 6,11 and 24.

 

[stavro#4]

We can only trade forward either our first, or our second and third, unless we seek permission from AFL House, IRC.

Unless you slide p2 down gain another future first. In which case you can do whatever you want.

Say 7 and a future first for 2

 

[Makeshift Park]

If there is a swap arranged, I reckon its either 2 for 6 and 18, or F1 for 11 + 24 or something around that mark.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Unless you slide p2 down gain another future first. In which case you can do whatever you want.

Say 7 and a future first for 2

If Richmond agreed to give us their 10 or 11 for your future first as part of a three way, then it'd be fine imo.

 

[Shinboner1]

I’m thinking it’s pick 2 for 6,11 and 24.

I would be ok with this

 

[stavro#4]

If Richmond agreed to give us their 10 or 11 for your future first as part of a three way, then it'd be fine imo.

Doesnt seem like Richmond is moving any of those picks for futures.

The rumour that has 5 boards talking this morning is that port would end up with 10 and it involves the giants (15/16/21?) working with Richmond.

That wouldn’t involve 6. Because it wouldn’t require a trade for 10 as the tigers have a plethora of picks.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Doesnt seem like Richmond is moving any of those picks for futures.

The rumour that has 5 boards talking this morning is that port would end up with 10 and it involves the giants (15/16/21?) working with Richmond.

That wouldn’t involve 6. Because it wouldn’t require a trade for 10 as the tigers have a plethora of picks.

Stranger things have happened but if this is the deal where we don't get Armstrong or Tauru than it makes no sense.

 

[tiger_tough]

I would be ok with this

haha. I bet you would. 0 chance.

 

[DesertRoo]

why does reading this thread always make trade period always feel like this.

 

[Chadwiko]

View attachment 2155108

I LOVE this spreadsheet. Did you make this yourself or is it a downloadable resource from somewhere?

 

[Kangas_11]

Doesnt seem like Richmond is moving any of those picks for futures.

The rumour that has 5 boards talking this morning is that port would end up with 10 and it involves the giants (15/16/21?) working with Richmond.

That wouldn’t involve 6. Because it wouldn’t require a trade for 10 as the tigers have a plethora of picks.

Interesting that you and other posters have conflated the C4 trade (which only details that Port and GWS are involved, nothing about what picks exactly are being used) with the Herald Sun report that Richmond are hesitant to trade 6 into a guarantee that we won't get pick 6 in this potential trade.

We've been pretty consistent that we don't want to drop down far in this draft if we trade out 2, so I wouldn't be too sure that the rumoured deal doesn't involve 6.

If it doesn't, the Saints deal for 7 + F1 is a suitable alternative. Even better, we are now in a position with 2x teams trying to get pick 2, so we can wait and see who wants it more.

 

[hilly]

haha. I bet you would. 0 chance.

What's the latest, 2 for 23 and future 4th?

 

[stavro#4]

Interesting that you and other posters have conflated the C4 trade (which only details that Port and GWS are involved, nothing about what picks exactly are being used) with the Herald Sun report that Richmond are hesitant to trade 6 into a guarantee that we won't get pick 6 in this potential trade.

We've been pretty consistent that we don't want to drop down far in this draft if we trade out 2, so I wouldn't be too sure that the rumoured deal doesn't involve 6.

If it doesn't, the Saints deal for 7 + F1 is a suitable alternative. Even better, we are now in a position with 2x teams trying to get pick 2, so we can wait and see who wants it more.

He said in another post that port would end up with p10 if it happened. Check their board.

Now when you have GWS Richmond and port getting pick 10.

Why would the tigers part with 6?

If they just gave you 6 and 18/20 it’s probably a done deal as it is.

 

[Kangas_11]

He said in another post that port would end up with p10 if it happened. Check their board.

Now when you have GWS Richmond and port getting pick 10.

Why would the tigers part with 6?

If they just gave you 6 and 18/20 it’s probably a done deal as it is.

Ok, so if Port are going for pick 10, the question then wouldnt be "why would the Tigers part with pick 6?" it would be "why would North be interested in sliding all the way down to 11?"

There's been this weird mentality that North should accept unders for pick 2 because it's such an even draft, but now 2 teams have made offers for it. It's obviously in demand, regardless of what oppo fans think.

 

[tiger_tough]

What's the latest, 2 for 23 and future 4th?

 

[stavro#4]

Ok, so if Port are going for pick 10, the question then wouldnt be "why would the Tigers part with pick 6?" it would be "why would North be interested in sliding all the way down to 11?"

There's been this weird mentality that North should accept unders for pick 2 because it's such an even draft, but now 2 teams have made offers for it. It's obviously in demand, regardless of what oppo fans think.

We obviously don’t know the specifics but it would look like the tigers are trying to move 10 and extras and offer something like 13+15 and maybe some change.

That obviously sorts out your pick needs for this draft and you retain your first. But you miss out on the top 10.

The counter offer seems to be my clubs which it was confirmed is 7+f1.

You get the rumoured player you want and then have to do the leg work for more picks armed with all your 2025 picks plus our first.

7 obviously meets the small slide down criteria Rawlings set. But you need to work on what else you get.

 

[shiraz]

I keep reading comments like this, and they read like attempts to justify or cope with the corner we have painted overselves into.

I think there is truth in that, but to reframe it, perhaps it is just dealing with the changing reality of our situation.

Pre trade-period, I thought we were in the fortunate position of having plenty of draft capital and having sereral targets who were not in high demand from other clubs. 2 and 24 could've easily been turned into three teen picks or better allowing us to pick a few tall forwards and perhaps a small, allowing us to largely rebalance the list in a single draft with high draft picks.

I'm disappointed we took Daniel period, but especially disappointed to have spent 24 which I continue to believe is a pick we needed to use to acquire talls one way or another.

I still think the best thing for us would be if we can find a way to turn 2 into several talls without losing too much value.

That being said, I've come round to the view that the best thing for us to do is to plan to use 2 on an elite mid. Essentially it's because we've got ourselves in this situation where it appears that other options are too costly.

I read people saying just take Tauru with 2. Crazytalk to me. Throwing away value. He's not worth that pick. Picking him is like trading 2 for 10 with nothing back. We shouldn't make that trade.

I read people wanting to trade in F1. I'd be supportive of that if we got value but it would be fair to say that's not the feeling in the air right now. There seems to be some groupthink about this draft being a superdraft when I would argue it's really just flat without being that good. There seems to be a premium (above the standard time premium) for trading in to this draft when I'm really not sure if that's right. Our F1 could be a very very valuable pick and the offers reportedly don't come close to this value. Trading out F1 seems likely to be a massive value loss.

Trading f2 to this draft seems attractive, and maybe we will, but it will be a fair bit down the order, well past the better selections from the already questionable cohort of talls. It will weaken us for next year too. I'd still do it though.

There may be some plan or some trade already agreed to which converts our 2 and change into a set of picks which match our needs, but from where things stand, it looks like wishful thinking to hope this eventuates.

If one of this fantastic scenarios doesn't eventuate, we'll be heading to the draft with 2, and we better be prepared to take the best mid we can. We can still use another and these are the selections most likely to make the biggest improvement to our list short and long term.

OR we can go with fantasy, like this:

Pick 1: Lalor (Richmond)
Pick 2: Ashcroft (Brisbane - matching bid)
Call Carlton "Hey we're taking FOS"
Live trade NM 3 > Carlton, Carlton 4 + 39 + F2 > NM
Pick 3: FOS (Carlton)
Call Adelaide "Hey we're taking Draper"
Live trade NM 4 + F2 > Ade, Ade 5 + F1 > NM
Pick 4: Draper (Ade)
Call StK "Hey you can still get Jagga"
Live trade NM 5 + 39 + F2 (Cartlon) > StK, StK 8 + F1 > NM
Pick 5: Jagga (StK)

then take Tauru with 8. After calling out Kako of course.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

We obviously don’t know the specifics but it would look like the tigers are trying to move 10 and extras and offer something like 13+15 and maybe some change.

That obviously sorts out your pick needs for this draft and you retain your first. But you miss out on the top 10.

The counter offer seems to be my clubs which it was confirmed is 7+f1.

You get the rumoured player you want and then have to do the leg work for more picks armed with all your 2025 picks plus our first.

7 obviously meets the small slide down criteria Rawlings set. But you need to work on what else you get.

You want pick 2, you do the leg work. Go and speak with GWS so you can make us an attractive offer.

We're not the ones in all of this that should be having to leave anything to chance.