USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

[FruitTingles]

Totally disagree, Clinton lost because she didn't do the ground work and arrogance.

Not sure if you have even heard the Harris/Walz speak or read their policies, lots there for the average person.

Don't let your dislike for Democrats blind you.

If they can get their traditional voters plus more than 50% of new registrations out to vote it won't be close.

The guy is pro trump and trying to hide it, so just flinging random words around as cover. About as transparent as a Trump charity when it comes time to distribute funds to someone other than a family member

 

[FruitTingles]

Look I know Trump is terrible, but Harris isn't it.

Please don't normalise adjudicated rapists

 

[Maggie5]

Independents will deliver Pennsylvania to Trump, very narrowly. That'll be it basically.

Harris will win the popular vote by 2.5 to 3 - but she will run up the score in blue states.

You didn't answer the following, you give the Republicans the win (did last time as well if I recall), why?

Not sure you have stated why you believe Republicans/Trump will win.

Why do you have this opinion?

 

[pjcrows]

wishcasting

Certainly not.

 

[pjcrows]

You didn't answer the following, you give the Republicans the win (did last time as well if I recall), why?

Yes I did. Independents will give Trump the edge in Pennsylvania, very narrowly.

FWIW I predicted Biden would win in 2020.

 

[pjcrows]

The guy is pro trump and trying to hide it, so just flinging random words around as cover. About as transparent as a Trump charity when it comes time to distribute funds to someone other than a family member

I'm pro Trump?

 

[Maggie5]

Hate trump that’s fine but Harris isn’t a good candidate.

Unfortunately American politics are in horrendous spot.

Too much energy wasted in hating.

I Don't hate Trump, just dislike everything he does, says and stands for. I imagine has never even boiled an egg for breakfast, done a school drive not bought a bottle of milk. Is so far removed from everything his cult do on a daily basis.
Yet people love him, go figure.

Harris seems a decent person for a politician, has some policies that I believe will help lift the wage earner and middle class. She isn't wealthy and I imagine accompanied her mother to the supermarket.

Yes I did. Independents will give Trump the edge in Pennsylvania, very narrowly.

FWIW I predicted Biden would win in 2020.

I think you know that is not what I was asking. You are very clear on asking about Harris policies, Democrats being bad.

I am asking you what the Republicans (policies, help for the average person,infrastructure, health etc) are that make you prefer them.

 

[MarcMaverick]

Too much energy wasted in hating.

I Don't hate Trump, just dislike everything he does, says and stands for. I imagine has never even boiled an egg for breakfast, done a school drive not bought a bottle of milk. Is so far removed from everything his cult do on a daily basis.
Yet people love him, go figure.

Harris seems a decent person for a politician, has some policies that I believe will help lift the wage earner and middle class. She isn't wealthy and I imagine accompanied her mother to the supermarket.



I think you know that is not what I was asking. You are very clear on asking about Harris policies, Democrats being bad.

I am asking you what the Republicans (policies, help for the average person,infrastructure, health etc) are that make you prefer them.

So you do hate Trump.

 

[pjcrows]

I think you know that is not what I was asking. You are very clear on asking about Harris policies, Democrats being bad.

I am asking you what the Republicans (policies, help for the average person,infrastructure, health etc) are that make you prefer them.

You asked me why Trump will win, I thought you meant electorally. I didn't know you were asking for policies. I can't name a policy that the Trump and the Republicans have spouted that would help the economics of the average voter, beyond "we will just make it better". But when has that ever mattered? Ultimately I think those key Independents will get Trump over the line, because the dislike for Democrats federally is greater at the moment.

I don't prefer the Republicans, at all. This is just what I think is going to happen.

It is possible to make a prediction about an election, and not support that outcome personally. It's not that complicated.

 

[Maggie5]

You asked me why Trump will win, I thought you meant electorally. I didn't know you were asking for policies. I can't name a policy that the Trump and the Republicans have spouted that would help the economics of the average voter, beyond "we will just make it better". But when has that ever mattered?

I know it isn't that complicated however I was only asking as you are critical of Dems policies and Harris.

Maybe I am different as I tend to look at both and base my predictions on policies, states and personality and 'we will make it better', 'we will fix it', doesn't work for me as a comparison.

Ultimately I think those key Independents will get Trump over the line, because the dislike for Democrats federally is greater at the moment.

How do you arrive at this conclusion?

 

[pjcrows]

I know it isn't that complicated however I was only asking as you are critical of Dems policies and Harris.

Maybe I am different as I tend to look at both and base my predictions on policies, states and personality and 'we will make it better', 'we will fix it', doesn't work for me as a comparison.



How do you arrive at this conclusion?

Democrat voteshare is down in Pennsylvania, and an increase in Independents.

I'm critical of Dems policies because the Trump GOP are so far off the deep end that I don't think it'd actually take much for the Dems to win pretty comfortably. But they just revert to type. Average voters are looking for change.

 

[jatz14]

I know it isn't that complicated however I was only asking as you are critical of Dems policies and Harris.

Maybe I am different as I tend to look at both and base my predictions on policies, states and personality and 'we will make it better', 'we will fix it', doesn't work for me as a comparison.



How do you arrive at this conclusion?

They have policies o be critical of, which is a start.

They don't have as many, or as fleshed out, as they should, but there is a reason for that, and it's called Trump, and the utterly insane curve he is marked on.

A full Dem policy would be picked apart for flaws, demonised, and used against them, while the fact Trump had a batshit crazy rump of an almost certainly unimplementable idea would be ignored.

It's the classic small target strategy. Give them as little to attack with as possible, make it about normal verse weird.

Makes the election feel shallow and hollow, but I think any other strategy is a losing strategy, given Trump doesn't need rational policies at all.

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[pjcrows]

Small target is sometimes a winning strategy - from opposition! Harris is in government - you need to give people a reason to back you in for another four years. Other than "Trump is bad".

 

[Celebrity 101]

Now the ice is starting the melt. Must be the sound of the Red Wave coming. Dems in full panic mode, do they try and assassinate Trump a third time. Maybe they'll pull another hurricane out in another full Trump area.

Last week Israel and Ukraine got another 8 billion each. Meanwhile FEMA gives $750 to the victims of the hurricane, whilst failing to organise a proper rescue and recovery effort for the victims. Corpse Joe when interviewed didn't even know their was a hurricane. Americans aren't stupid.

Kamala never got a single vote. Joe got 14 million, yet they tossed him aside. Americans again are not stupid. The Phil Inn sure isn't cutting into the Trump vote, she can't even debate him without rigged 3v1 and having an ear piece. In fact right now it's Hitlary running the show not her.

All Kamala has is Trump is evil, his bad. No policies of her own. Except for we need to arm foreign countries while our own country has immigrants pour in unchecked.

The Senator Blummenthals, the Nancy Pelosis, Big Mike and Nobel piece of crap prize winner Barry Obama, Hitlary Clinton, AOC - the swamp needs to be drained. Their time is up, add in the uniparty stooges from the republicans including Linsday Graham, Rubio, Johnson and Pence and Cell block one is full.

So tell me, if Trump isn't a threat to them then why do they want him dead. Because they know their game of charades is over.

 

[FruitTingles]

I'm pro Trump?

You parrot all the same talking points other pro-trump accounts do online. So I suspect so.

 

[FruitTingles]

So tell me, if Trump isn't a threat to them then why do they want him dead. Because they know their game of charades is over.

Both gunmen were Republicans. 'They' is two unstable men with mental health issues and easy access to high powered weapons that they shouldn't have.

 

[Financialpanther]

Now the ice is starting the melt. Must be the sound of the Red Wave coming. Dems in full panic mode, do they try and assassinate Trump a third time. Maybe they'll pull another hurricane out in another full Trump area.

Last week Israel and Ukraine got another 8 billion each. Meanwhile FEMA gives $750 to the victims of the hurricane, whilst failing to organise a proper rescue and recovery effort for the victims. Corpse Joe when interviewed didn't even know their was a hurricane. Americans aren't stupid.

Kamala never got a single vote. Joe got 14 million, yet they tossed him aside. Americans again are not stupid. The Phil Inn sure isn't cutting into the Trump vote, she can't even debate him without rigged 3v1 and having an ear piece. In fact right now it's Hitlary running the show not her.

All Kamala has is Trump is evil, his bad. No policies of her own. Except for we need to arm foreign countries while our own country has immigrants pour in unchecked.

The Senator Blummenthals, the Nancy Pelosis, Big Mike and Nobel piece of crap prize winner Barry Obama, Hitlary Clinton, AOC - the swamp needs to be drained. Their time is up, add in the uniparty stooges from the republicans including Linsday Graham, Rubio, Johnson and Pence and Cell block one is full.

So tell me, if Trump isn't a threat to them then why do they want him dead. Because they know their game of charades is over.

 

[pjcrows]

You parrot all the same talking points other pro-trump accounts do online. So I suspect so.

Such as?

 

[Spearman]

Too much energy wasted in hating.

I Don't hate Trump, just dislike everything he does, says and stands for. I imagine has never even boiled an egg for breakfast, done a school drive not bought a bottle of milk. Is so far removed from everything his cult do on a daily basis.
Yet people love him, go figure.

Harris seems a decent person for a politician, has some policies that I believe will help lift the wage earner and middle class. She isn't wealthy and I imagine accompanied her mother to the supermarket.



I think you know that is not what I was asking. You are very clear on asking about Harris policies, Democrats being bad.

I am asking you what the Republicans (policies, help for the average person,infrastructure, health etc) are that make you prefer them.

Well the GOP's big legislation in recent times is the SAVE act, which makes some that is already illegal, illegal Oh, and also increases some hurdles for voter registration of US citizens. Added as a poison pill to the spending bill.
Their other major accomplishment seems to be taking credit for Biden infrastructure and med-cost caps.
I forgot some of the performative/signalling bills that do nothing, but that a problem for both sides.

What did the GOP Congress do about inflation, immigration, infrastructure, covid, or anything except blame Dems? A GOPer can't answer policy questions.

I'd like to see one or any of the trolls actually put forth a cogent argument for their hot takes. I'd welcome one. If they were legit posters, they'd know that most if not all can be countered with actual vision of Trump or MAGAGOP destroying their position. They are like the information source they consume, no facts. All falsehoods, "don't fact-check me, bro".
If they were legit, they would elevate their argument. And it would elevate the responses from most of the other side.

 

[Maggie5]

Being a VP is really just advising/endorsing/supporting/defending the President and doesn't really hold much power in government.

The role of VP is fairly insignificant. a)ready to replace President if necessary, b) President of Senate - tie break, transfer of government

Apart from managing Covid, I can't think of any other policies Pence was responsible for, in fact just like Harris, not sure what they did on a daily basis.

I still believe the Dems policies could be a winning strategy (excluding weak stance on Israel).

If she loses it won't be for 'Dems bad', it will be because 5 months is too short a campaign for her.

Trump is worried and his lies just get more insane and of course more weird... .

MSM need to truth check Trump hourly.

 

[bourbons]

Ask yourself - how neglected does the average American have to feel in order to a) follow Trump, or b) ignore voting at all.

The answer: very, very neglected.

Anyone not understanding why the Democratic Party are having difficulty cutting through has ignored the way the US government has operated for the last four decades, regardless of the party.

Harris, in isolation, is a standard establishment politician. She could be any number of politicians, and the situation would be the same. That's the problem!

You're not wrong, its just that the idea Trump would be any better for those neglected people is utterly insane.

Like, how cooked would you have to be? One of the few things Hillary actually got right was the 'deplorables' comment imo, certainly not helpful electorally but it was spot on. Conservative if anything, she said half of Trump's base were, I reckon its a higher percentage than that. Some genuine hateful racist pieces of shit, but most just so poorly educated with such low information literacy and reasoning skills that they just believe whatever dear leader says in contradiction of every data point imaginable.

That country is cooked regardless of who wins in November, I give them another 2 generations before its completely done in its current incarnation/as a world power, 100 years tops.

 

[GreyCrow]

Democrat voteshare is down in Pennsylvania, and an increase in Independents.

I'm critical of Dems policies because the Trump GOP are so far off the deep end that I don't think it'd actually take much for the Dems to win pretty comfortably. But they just revert to type. Average voters are looking for change.

Not sure this matters.

PA Facts & Figures​

Independents as second-class citizens​

Who are Independent Voters?​

Independents are not a uniform body. We subscribe to diverse views across the political spectrum—left, center and right. Whatever those differences, independents are united in the realization that if we want to move forward as a country, we have to do something about partisanship and the domination of the political process by the special interests.

How many are in Pennsylvania?​

Over 1.3 million Pennsylvanians are registered independents/third parties (dos.pa.gov, 2020)—(over 14.5% of all registered PA voters)—while Democratic and Republican registration has been steadily declining over the past decade.

The Pennsylvania electoral system actively discriminates against independents. In 2016 independent candidates running for president or statewide office are required to submit over 21,000 signatures from registered voters to get on the ballot. This number is determined by the district-by-district electoral formula (2% of a recent winner’s vote total).

In it's worst year in recent history, 2006, this number reached 67,070 signatures, an almost insurmountable task given Democrats and Republicans each required only 2,000 signatures...and independents' signatures are challenged in highly contested elections.

Independents Nationally​

Over 40% of all Americans now self-identify as independents, regardless of voter registration. Since the mid-1980s, the Republican Party has slightly increased and Democratic Party registration has decreased by 10%. More Americans are registering outside the two major parties because they want to get away from the extreme partisanship and political corruption that dominates the political process.

Is there an "Independent Party" in Pennsylvania?​

No. There are many third parties (e.g., Constitution, Green, Libertarian, Unity). However, there is no party per se for independents. We work to bring together all independents across the spectrum of political thought to make our democracy more inclusive for all.

Can Independents vote in the Primaries?​

The unfortunate answer is NO. We are excluded from the primaries...even though we pay for them! We are currently one of 13 states that has fully closed primaries for both parties.

 

[Maggie5]

Well the GOP's big legislation in recent times is the SAVE act, which makes some that is already illegal, illegal Oh, and also increases some hurdles for voter registration of US citizens. Added as a poison pill to the spending bill.
Their other major accomplishment seems to be taking credit for Biden infrastructure and med-cost caps.
I forgot some of the performative/signalling bills that do nothing, but that a problem for both sides.

What did the GOP Congress do about inflation, immigration, infrastructure, covid, or anything except blame Dems? A GOPer can't answer policy questions.

I'd like to see one or any of the trolls actually put forth a cogent argument for their hot takes. I'd welcome one. If they were legit posters, they'd know that most if not all can be countered with actual vision of Trump or MAGAGOP destroying their position. They are like the information source they consume, no facts. All falsehoods, "don't fact-check me, bro".
If they were legit, they would elevate their argument. And it would elevate the responses from most of the other side.

I think one marketing strategy that Dems are not using which I think would work is whilst they are speaking on topics like 'infrastructure' is telling each state the project/s they have benefited from (Internet/replacing lead water pipes/bridges) and stating Senator R voted against this bill, or medication Senator R voted against this, etc etc. Sometimes a show and tell works so much better than just telling.

They are doing it for Immigration, but they should also do it for the Chips and Infrastructure etc.

Sometimes speaking to media clips (or similar) work well as many are visual learners. Re-inforce what is being said.

 

[GreyCrow]

Does that mean the ' Independents ' wont vote? Or that the decline in Democrat votes will be an issue?

I see this as a 1 issue Election. As much as people want to make it about Israel, the Economy or sending Hurricanes to Red States the single most important to Americans - especially female Americans - is reproductive rights

Sure the economy gets talked down but reality is its not as bad as people are making it out to be

If people can afford to send money to church or grifters then it cant be that bad . Its just peoples priorities are wrong. This wont change with Trump - it will get worse as the grift will treble down

I think the female vote is under represented in polls and will see a rise in Democrat vote

 

[Spearman]

I think one marketing strategy that Dems are not using which I think would work is whilst they are speaking on topics like 'infrastructure' is telling each state the project/s they have benefited from (Internet/replacing lead water pipes/bridges) and stating Senator R voted against this bill, or medication Senator R voted against this, etc etc. Sometimes a show and tell works so much better than just telling.

They are doing it for Immigration, but they should also do it for the Chips and Infrastructure etc.

Sometimes speaking to media clips (or similar) work well as many are visual learners. Re-inforce what is being said.

Yes, I've had that exact same thoughts. Open by stating that the local guys is lying to y'all, then clips showing his/her dissent and bold face credit stealing.
In whatever they do, they need it to be very clear and in plain language. The people they should be reaching aren't going to dwell on things too long. "This guy is a PoS....see?" "This guy said this which got some of you hurt....and he won't apologize or take it back".