List Mgmt. 2024 Young Talent Time (Drafting)

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arsesmart said:
Transition is an area we could use more oomph in.

My very modest expectation is getting anyone excelling in power running with a withering burst of pace, matched by their quick reading of play, and a scything surgical kick to open up the game, turning most situations into attack.

That could be a speedy half-forward, explosive mid/wing, or attacking half-back.

For next year (and hey, that's where our mindset as a club should mostly be...), with trades done and dusted, the most likely effective options are already on the list

As for the draft...
I don't think Berry is likely to get past Port. Maybe Trainor might be there and he could be someone that gets some time (mainly developing) off half-back to sure up Young's full time transition to mid-fwd. Or maybe we go xtra large.
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Trainor should be the last player we are looking at. In case you didn't know, he has had several concussions already and is a massive risk. Another head knock and his career could head the way of Aiden O'Driscoll. The only club I can see taking him in the top 20 is Richmond, as they have so many picks that they might see the risk versus reward as being worth it.
 
Best available non-tall for Pick 15-17 (whatever it ends up being).

There’s a few what I’d consider list needs rather than more urgent needs I’d be happy to have a look at later in the draft. For example some have pointed out we might be a tall forward short on our list. I agree but there isn’t a chance I’m comfortable using pick 15-17 on that player.

I know most would have small forward and outside mid as probably our biggest two needs but I’m more than comfortable that a gun youngster that isn’t a tall can play an important role in our best 30 in 2-3 years time if good enough. I’m not writing of our first pick playing 10+ games next year but it isn’t about next year very much when you’re drafting an 18 year old.
 
Alfonz said:
Trainor should be the last player we are looking at. In case you didn't know, he has had several concussions already and is a massive risk. Another head knock and his career could head the way of Aiden O'Driscoll. The only club I can see taking him in the top 20 is Richmond, as they have so many picks that they might see the risk versus reward as being worth it.
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I haven't looked at anyone too closely at this stage, included delving too far into their history. Will probably have a better squiz as the draft days loom. "Last player" seems a bit dramatic though.

I had read he had been put into concussion protocols and subsequently missed their GF, but supposedly it was only minor and he (implicitly) recovered well. I had a slight concern as to whether there was any pattern of it. But wasn't any further detailing of previous concussions with a quick main stream search.

Trainor is more of an idea/example rather than being bent on him in particular. But he does seem to be one around that mark that has attributes we could find very useful.

I'm also of the mind that whoever we get, it's going to be, shall we say... fairly unlikely... they're going to play any significant role in our rise to domination next year.
 

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freo_leo29 said:
We already replaced 2 of those last year in Jones for Kuek and Voss for Corbett??? (both players were known to be LTI before the draft, ACL and Hip replacement)

Drafting another KPF does affect progression too, Jones barely played league last year (Managed to get in when Voss played AFL due to Cohuna), whoever is drafted means someone gets sent to Reserves. (Especially with the emergence of Tregenza)

We are well stocked for KPF/Ruck options, its not an area of need at all. As you'd say, pretty obvious.


As a side note, I'd consider Corbett more a medium forward/hybrid, wouldn't be against replacing him with a medium forward in the draft, reckon we are lighter on those than we are KPF.
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Which is the area of need you are seeing in our list that we get to address with our second pick?

I don't think you draft for next year. Development time is normal. Jones limited games was due to injury wasn't it?

You are are stating we are well stocked with KPF/ruck options, and I'm also keen to hear why our season fell apart last year when we had no cover for Treacy, Pearce and Darcy (that's before we delisted 3 of our talls).
  • Reidy is on a one year contract and looked ordinary: He isn't a keeper, and yet in a very real sense, we are dependent on him.
  • Voss is handy, but I question if he has development in him. He looks like depth rather than aspiring best 23, and plays no other position.
 
freo_leo29 said:
We already replaced 2 of those last year in Jones for Kuek and Voss for Corbett??? (both players were known to be LTI before the draft, ACL and Hip replacement)

Drafting another KPF does affect progression too, Jones barely played league last year (Managed to get in when Voss played AFL due to Cohuna), whoever is drafted means someone gets sent to Reserves. (Especially with the emergence of Tregenza)

We are well stocked for KPF/Ruck options, its not an area of need at all. As you'd say, pretty obvious.


As a side note, I'd consider Corbett more a medium forward/hybrid, wouldn't be against replacing him with a medium forward in the draft, reckon we are lighter on those than we are KPF.
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One KPF (and no earlier than Pick 67) only IMO. If it's none I don't really care either.

We drafted for next year onwards last year and should always be thinking 2-3 years in advance.
 
theGav56 said:
Which is the area of need you are seeing in our list that we get to address with our second pick?

I don't think you draft for next year. Development time is normal. Jones limited games was due to injury wasn't it?

You are are stating we are well stocked with KPF/ruck options, and I'm also keen to hear why our season fell apart last year when we had no cover for Treacy, Pearce and Darcy (that's before we delisted 3 of our talls).
  • Reidy is on a one year contract and looked ordinary: He isn't a keeper, and yet in a very real sense, we are dependent on him.
  • Voss is handy, but I question if he has development in him. He looks like depth rather than aspiring best 23, and plays no other position.
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Addressing each point

Small or medium forwards, HBF, anyone with elite skills, a winger, an inside-out midfielder. All of those ahead of KPP (Both ends) for mine.

Its not just drafting for next year, its drafting for a player that will actually have a spot in the team within the next 3-5 years.

Yes Jones missed the first 2 months of the season due to concussion, he still didn't get into the league team until we had injuries.

Any teams season would fall apart missing 3 of their top 10 players (2 of our top 5), I think you're failing to understand that if a player is too good to be depth and there is no spot in the team then they will leave, look at Logue, we had to shoehorn him forward and he still left anyway.

I agree Reidy is a stopgap, The weight of the ruck role needs to be on Darcy and Jacksons shoulders, if Reidy was any good then he will leave like Meek. (I also like Knobel developing long term for Darcy, who is older and more injury prone than triple J) - we should definitely look at drafting a couple KPF's later on when triple J are older or injury prone.

Voss definitely has development in him, he is tracking to be a good backup, which is exactly what we need with Triple J.
 
Docker82 said:
One KPF (and no earlier than Pick 67) only IMO. If it's none I don't really care either.

We drafted for next year onwards last year and should always be thinking 2-3 years in advance.
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Yep, list is well balanced on KPP stocks, if there is one that we rate much higher than anyone on the board late then go for it, otherwise address other needs.
 
My number 1 would be Bo Allen - most of our team are pretty softish , this kids not. We deadset need some RAW POWER high end athleticism with an aggressive mindset

All the flashy firepower in the world don’t matter for spit if you lose the fight for the ball ( see Swannies ) everyone wants to blame injuries for our season petering out but we got out muscled when it mattered in every one of those last 4 games across the whole field




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thistimeforsure said:
My number 1 would be Bo Allen - most of our team are pretty softish , this kids not. We deadset need some RAW POWER high end athleticism with an aggressive mindset

All the flashy firepower in the world don’t matter for spit if you lose the fight for the ball ( see Swannies ) everyone wants to blame injuries for our season petering out but we got out muscled when it mattered in every one of those last 4 games across the whole field




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Looking very unlikely he is there at our pick tbh
 
My number 1 would be Bo Allen - most of our team are pretty softish , this kids not. We deadset need some RAW POWER high end athleticism with an aggressive mindset

All the flashy firepower in the world don’t matter for spit if you lose the fight for the ball ( see Swannies ) everyone wants to blame injuries for our season petering out but we got out muscled when it mattered in every one of those last 4 games across the whole field

I like prototype style,e players , I think they make the biggest difference if they work out
 

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I’d expect one of the following to slip through to 17:
Lindsay, Hotton, Berry, Allan, Hynes

For what it’s worth I like Hotton and feel he could slide with his injury.
 
freo_leo29 said:
Addressing each point

Small or medium forwards, HBF, anyone with elite skills, a winger, an inside-out midfielder. All of those ahead of KPP (Both ends) for mine.

Its not just drafting for next year, its drafting for a player that will actually have a spot in the team within the next 3-5 years.

Yes Jones missed the first 2 months of the season due to concussion, he still didn't get into the league team until we had injuries.

Any teams season would fall apart missing 3 of their top 10 players (2 of our top 5), I think you're failing to understand that if a player is too good to be depth and there is no spot in the team then they will leave, look at Logue, we had to shoehorn him forward and he still left anyway.

I agree Reidy is a stopgap, The weight of the ruck role needs to be on Darcy and Jacksons shoulders, if Reidy was any good then he will leave like Meek. (I also like Knobel developing long term for Darcy, who is older and more injury prone than triple J) - we should definitely look at drafting a couple KPF's later on when triple J are older or injury prone.

Voss definitely has development in him, he is tracking to be a good backup, which is exactly what we need with Triple J.
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From your post,
- Simpson is small forward and Banfield is a medium forward, neither likely best 22. And we're already adding Bolton. Next year I understand we have an NGA small forward coming through.

- neither Reidy or Jones look as anything but longshots, and Jones almost certainly won't be ready next season: I'm fine with having rookie KPPs as longshots, but I wouldn't overestimate their chances of success.

- not exactly sure why Logue is getting a run in your discussion here. He left for similar reasons to Acres. Better opportunity and paycheck. And if you assume we wanted to keep him then I'd add poor list management.

- Voss is not a good back up for Triple J. He projects as clear downgrade but decent back up for Treacy. He's not back up for Amiss or Jackson.

- Gerreyn could be good backup for Treacy or Jackson, and given Darcy's injury and fitness issues, we need that.

In a previous post I've gone through the depth I think we have in the small forward and HBF-er areas. I won't chew that cud again.

- I hope we grab Berry or a forward leaning mid with our first, but won't be unhappy with whoever we grab. If Davis or Hynes found their way to our 2nd pick I'd be very happy. Clarke looks great.
 
Superkoops said:
I’d expect one of the following to slip through to 17:
Lindsay, Hotton, Berry, Allan, Hynes

For what it’s worth I like Hotton and feel he could slide with his injury.
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I like Hotton the more I look into him. Ive seen his highlights and I agree they seem underwhelming but the game write up consistently describe him as having pace and elite skills.He would also fit the classic description of a freo draftee who bigfooty online is outraged at the time of drafting as those players seem to develop into our best draftees.
 
theGav56 said:
From your post,
- Simpson is small forward and Banfield is a medium forward. And we're already adding Bolton. Next year I understand we have an NGA small forward coming through.

- neither Reidy or Jones look as anything but longshots, and Jones almost certainly won't be ready next season: I'm fine with having rookie KPPs as longshots, but I wouldn't overestimate their chances of success.

- not exactly sure why Logue is getting a run in your discussion here. He left for similar reasons to Acres. Better opportunity and paycheck. And if you assume we wanted to keep him then I'd add poor list management.

- Voss is not a good back up for Triple J. He projects as clear downgrade but decent back up for Treacy. He's not back up for Amiss or Jackson.

- Gerreyn could be good backup for Treacy or Jackson, and given Darcy's injury and fitness issues, we need that.

In a previous post I've gone through the depth I think we have in the small forward and HBF-er areas. I won't chew that cud again.

- I hope we grab Berry or a forward leaning mid with our first, but won't be unhappy with whoever we grab. If Davis or Hynes found their way to our 2nd pick I'd be very happy. Clarke looks great.
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The bolded goes against basically half of your points, I agree that Berry and Davis would be great

Logue was too good for WAFL but we didn't have a spot for him, thats why he was relevant, so was Meek. Both relevant because its the same scenario if we spend too much capital on KPF/Rucks at this draft

The Voss point, I think you need to look around the AFL for KPF backups/depth, he is just about as good as you can get
 
Sherriff Incorporated said:
I like Hotton the more I look into him. Ive seen his highlights and I agree they seem underwhelming but the game write up consistently describe him as having pace and elite skills.He would also fit the classic description of a freo draftee who bigfooty online is outraged at the time of drafting as those players seem to develop into our best draftees.
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I like this idea. If we get someone Big Footy hates, we’ve probably nailed it. Serong comes to mind.
 
freo_leo29 said:
The bolded goes against basically half of your points, I agree that Berry and Davis would be great

Logue was too good for WAFL but we didn't have a spot for him, thats why he was relevant, so was Meek. Both relevant because its the same scenario if we spend too much capital on KPF/Rucks at this draft

The Voss point, I think you need to look around the AFL for KPF backups/depth, he is just about as good as you can get
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Eh? My point is I wouldn't mind if we grab Gerreyn at our second pick?

We draft a forward/ruck for in 2-4 years time. Darcy has missed 19 games in the last 2 seasons, and I don't think Reidy is good enough, and from his 1 year contract, neither does the club. And when Darcy is out our forward strategy goes to poo.

Your comment re Logue lacks relevance. We currently have 3 depth KPDers on the list. In our forward line we have 1, and he is not depth for all 3 of our talls forwards as you claim.

Shannon Neale has only become relevant as a 22 year old but he didn't run crying to his agent for a trade. I'm miles away from being worried that if Gerreyn doesn't become best 22 in his first couple of seasons he's going to leave. I am worried that if Darcy continues to miss half the games every season then we're in trouble.

Darcy's injury issues could be the most significant issue we face in our quest for a premiership.
 
theGav56 said:
Eh? My point is I wouldn't mind if we grab Gerreyn at our second pick?

We draft a forward/ruck for in 2-4 years time. Darcy has missed 19 games in the last 2 seasons, and I don't think Reidy is good enough, and from his 1 year contract, neither does the club. And when Darcy is out our forward strategy goes to poo.

Your comment re Logue lacks relevance. We currently have 3 depth KPDers on the list. In our forward line we have 1, and he is not depth for all 3 of our talls forwards as you claim.

Shannon Neale has only become relevant as a 22 year old but he didn't run crying to his agent for a trade. I'm miles away from being worried that if Gerreyn doesn't become best 22 in his first couple of seasons he's going to leave. I am worried that if Darcy continues to miss half the games every season then we're in trouble.

Darcy's injury issues could be the most significant issue we face in our quest for a premiership.
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We have Knobel developing for Darcy's long term role


Logue is completely relevant, its the exact scenario I'm talking about, I won't go over it again as I already have

I agree with Geelong drafting Neale, now go and look at the ages of Hawkins and Cameron when that draft pick happened, I am completely happy to revisit this when Treacy and Amiss are those ages, in fact, I'd say thats the perfect time to invest. Neale has taken time to develop and now that he is at the level, he can see a path into the team, great list management, I hope we do that!

The rest of your comment is mostly Darcy related, in which case Jackson needs to step up and we have Knobel developing and looking promising.
 
Sherriff Incorporated said:
I like Hotton the more I look into him. Ive seen his highlights and I agree they seem underwhelming but the game write up consistently describe him as having pace and elite skills.He would also fit the classic description of a freo draftee who bigfooty online is outraged at the time of drafting as those players seem to develop into our best draftees.
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If you can’t come up with a HIGHLIGHTS package that shows decent disposal as a minimum, and then add an ACL injury it’s a massive red flag for me
 
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