List Mgmt. 2025 List Management 📃

[Les Grossman playaaaa]

How many of the below list will be here beyond next year?

2025
1. Jack Silvagni - Keep
3. Jesse Motlop - Keep
11. Mitch McGovern - Questionable
12. Tom De Koning - May be gone, however, prefer to stay if price doesn't significantly impact salary cap long term
14. Orazio Fantasia -Questionable
15. Sam Docherty - Questionable (may be year by year contract from now on)
17. Brodie Kemp - Prefer to keep but may be traded due to salary cap issues
24. Nic Newman - Keep
26. Nick Haynes - Questionable but more than likely gone
29. George Hewett (RFA) - Keep
31. Harry Lemmey - Improvement needed on-field to be retained
32. Matt Carroll (Pre-season SSP 2025) ? - Keep
34. Rob Monahan (International Rookie Cat B) - Uncertain
35. Billy Wilson- Improvement needed on-field to get to AFL level but should be retained
38. Will White (Pre-Season SSP Rookie 2025) ?- Questionable
39. Alex Cincotta (Pre-season SSP 2023) - Keep
41. Matt Duffy (International Rookie Cat B) ? - Uncertain
44. Francis Evans (Pre-Season SSP Rookie 2025) ? - Questionable but more than likely gone

That's about 6-7 gone with the possibility of more and it pretty much impacts us across every line.

Then we have the next years numbers that we may wish to retain early.

2026
2. Lachie Cowan - Lock in early
4. Ollie Hollands - Wait
6. Zac Williams - Wait (lock in early if small forward numbers are culled)
8. Lachie Fogarty - Wait
16. Ben Camporeale? - Wait
18. Sam Walsh - Lock in early
19. Corey Durdin - Wait
20. Elijah Hollands - Wait
21. Lucas Camporeale? - Wait
22. Harry O'Farrell? - Wait
25. Jaxon Binns - Wait
28. Harry Charleson (Rookie)? - Wait
33. Lewis Young - Wait
36. Cooper Lord - MSD (Rookie) - Wait
37. Jordan Boyd - Wait
40. Hudson O'Keeffe (Pre-season SSP 2023) - Wait (lock in early if TDK is gone)
42. Adam Saad - Wait
43. Ashton Moir - Wait

I have an opinion on who I think should stay or go in 2026 but I don't think we're in the position to put a line through them until we know who we have coming in.

 

[Bletch]

How many of the below list will be here beyond next year?

2025
1. Jack Silvagni - Keep
3. Jesse Motlop - Keep
11. Mitch McGovern - Questionable
12. Tom De Koning - May be gone, however, prefer to stay if price doesn't significantly impact salary cap long term
14. Orazio Fantasia -Questionable
15. Sam Docherty - Questionable (may be year by year contract from now on)
17. Brodie Kemp - Prefer to keep but may be traded due to salary cap issues
24. Nic Newman - Keep
26. Nick Haynes - Questionable but more than likely gone
29. George Hewett (RFA) - Keep
31. Harry Lemmey - Improvement needed on-field to be retained
32. Matt Carroll (Pre-season SSP 2025) ? - Keep
34. Rob Monahan (International Rookie Cat B) - Uncertain
35. Billy Wilson- Improvement needed on-field to get to AFL level but should be retained
38. Will White (Pre-Season SSP Rookie 2025) ?- Questionable
39. Alex Cincotta (Pre-season SSP 2023) - Keep
41. Matt Duffy (International Rookie Cat B) ? - Uncertain
44. Francis Evans (Pre-Season SSP Rookie 2025) ? - Questionable but more than likely gone

That's about 6-7 gone with the possibility of more and it pretty much impacts us across every line.

Then we have the next years numbers that we may wish to retain early.

2026
2. Lachie Cowan - Lock in early
4. Ollie Hollands - Wait
6. Zac Williams - Wait (lock in early if small forward numbers are culled)
8. Lachie Fogarty - Wait
16. Ben Camporeale? - Wait
18. Sam Walsh - Lock in early
19. Corey Durdin - Wait
20. Elijah Hollands - Wait
21. Lucas Camporeale? - Wait
22. Harry O'Farrell? - Wait
25. Jaxon Binns - Wait
28. Harry Charleson (Rookie)? - Wait
33. Lewis Young - Wait
36. Cooper Lord - MSD (Rookie) - Wait
37. Jordan Boyd - Wait
40. Hudson O'Keeffe (Pre-season SSP 2023) - Wait (lock in early if TDK is gone)
42. Adam Saad - Wait
43. Ashton Moir - Wait

I have an opinion on who I think should stay or go in 2026 but I don't think we're in the position to put a line through them until we know who we have coming in.

Also need to bear in mind that our current draft hand is: 36, 47, 65 (based on last year's ladder positions). We have Harry Dean and Jack Ison (both defenders) to come in. Possibly some other NGA's (Clark, Gresham). And we're currently over-subscribed on our list by one.

We can trade ahead two years now, but may be reluctant to do so, with the likely heavy price to pay for Cody in 2026.

Most years you can figure on 6-10 changes on a list (in the bad years we had up to 14). But unless we lose TDK, or trade out players of significant value, we're unlikely to have draft capital to fill those gaps with top end talent.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

What has Jesse Motlop done at AFL level to have you so confident to 'keep'

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

I wouldn't be surprised if someone comes out of left field for Tom.

Sydney has a history of going after big name players. Not afraid to offer massive contracts and loves a tall to build their side around.

I could see Chad leaving and them using the money to offer Tom a mega deal, while banking a tonne of draft capital.

Tom gets a big money deal while also getting the play for a team that'll give him a chance at success.

Wouldn't be surprised if the Tiggs were the ones who come out of left field.

With Dusty, Rioli, Bolton etc off their books, they've probably got a fair bit of room in their salary cap. Lynch and Prestia in the final year of their respective contracts which will likely free up even more space.

Nankervis nearing the end, so I could easily see them making a pitch.

 

[Coops93]

What has Jesse Motlop done at AFL level to have you so confident to 'keep'

At this stage I'd take a 2nd round pick from Freo and run as fast as possible.

Unless his form improves we may be looking at a 3rd rounder, if anything.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

2025
1. Jack Silvagni - Has already shown how important he is to us.. 3 year deal make him a Blue for life.
3. Jesse Motlop - We need him to have a big year, is currently our #1 small forward however wouldnt be in the top 30 small forwards in the comp.
11. Mitch McGovern - 1 year extension, reduced $
12. Tom De Koning - Lock him in long term, not the crazy $ that has been spruiked by 7 years at 1.2mil gets it done.
14. Orazio Fantasia - Gone
15. Sam Docherty - 1 more year, transition to a coaching role
17. Brodie Kemp - Trade.. Saints are desperate for a partner with King, could push for a late first pick, or early 2nd.
24. Nic Newman - Keep forever
26. Nick Haynes - Would want to lift..
29. George Hewett (RFA) - Not against letting him go, similar to Kennedy last year if someone is going to pay him let him leave, but wouldnt be offering big $ for George.
31. Harry Lemmey - Ruck depth is very limited, give him another year.
32. Matt Carroll (Pre-season SSP 2025) - Gone
34. Rob Monahan (International Rookie Cat B) - Who?
35. Billy Wilson- Let the season play out, if he plays 10 games give him another year.
38. Will White (Pre-Season SSP Rookie 2025) - Who?
39. Alex Cincotta (Pre-season SSP 2023) - Is there room in our side for a tagger, reminds me of the situation with Ed, not good enough to be a genuine midfielder so unless we are playing him as a tagger doesnt have a role in the team.
41. Matt Duffy (International Rookie Cat B) - Who
44. Francis Evans (Pre-Season SSP Rookie 2025) - There is a reason 2 other teams have let him go..

 

[The Return of the Paf]

How many of the below list will be here beyond next year?

2025
1. Jack Silvagni - Keep
3. Jesse Motlop - Keep
11. Mitch McGovern - Questionable
12. Tom De Koning - May be gone, however, prefer to stay if price doesn't significantly impact salary cap long term
14. Orazio Fantasia -Questionable
15. Sam Docherty - Questionable (may be year by year contract from now on)
17. Brodie Kemp - Prefer to keep but may be traded due to salary cap issues
24. Nic Newman - Keep
26. Nick Haynes - Questionable but more than likely gone
29. George Hewett (RFA) - Keep
31. Harry Lemmey - Improvement needed on-field to be retained
32. Matt Carroll (Pre-season SSP 2025) ? - Keep
34. Rob Monahan (International Rookie Cat B) - Uncertain
35. Billy Wilson- Improvement needed on-field to get to AFL level but should be retained
38. Will White (Pre-Season SSP Rookie 2025) ?- Questionable
39. Alex Cincotta (Pre-season SSP 2023) - Keep
41. Matt Duffy (International Rookie Cat B) ? - Uncertain
44. Francis Evans (Pre-Season SSP Rookie 2025) ? - Questionable but more than likely gone

That's about 6-7 gone with the possibility of more and it pretty much impacts us across every line.

Then we have the next years numbers that we may wish to retain early.

2026
2. Lachie Cowan - Lock in early
4. Ollie Hollands - Wait
6. Zac Williams - Wait (lock in early if small forward numbers are culled)
8. Lachie Fogarty - Wait
16. Ben Camporeale? - Wait
18. Sam Walsh - Lock in early
19. Corey Durdin - Wait
20. Elijah Hollands - Wait
21. Lucas Camporeale? - Wait
22. Harry O'Farrell? - Wait
25. Jaxon Binns - Wait
28. Harry Charleson (Rookie)? - Wait
33. Lewis Young - Wait
36. Cooper Lord - MSD (Rookie) - Wait
37. Jordan Boyd - Wait
40. Hudson O'Keeffe (Pre-season SSP 2023) - Wait (lock in early if TDK is gone)
42. Adam Saad - Wait
43. Ashton Moir - Wait

I have an opinion on who I think should stay or go in 2026 but I don't think we're in the position to put a line through them until we know who we have coming in.

Are we getting a premiership out of that or just smugly twiddling our thumbs while sticking our tongues out at St. Kilda supporters?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

1. Jack Silvagni - Give him however long he wants. Can play anywhere and knows his role. Tries his guts out.

3. Jesse Motlop - Goodbye. Lazy footballer with no standout qualities for a small forward

11. Mitch McGovern - Adios. Conditional footballer who we'd be better off moving on from.

12. Tom De Koning - Whatever it takes. Get it done.

14. Orazio Fantasia - Gone

15. Sam Docherty - Gone. Loved him at his best but time to go at the end of the year.

17. Brodie Kemp - Trade bait. If someone is willing to give us a 2nd I'd say he goes

24. Nic Newman - 1 more year for Noodles.

26. Nick Haynes - Gone.

29. George Hewett (RFA) - Solid depth. 2 year deal.

31. Harry Lemmey - Gone. Just not up to it imo unfortunately.

32. Matt Carroll (Pre-season SSP 2025) - 1-2 more years depending on how he goes this year.

34. Rob Monahan (International Rookie Cat B) - Gone

35. Billy Wilson- 2 year deal.

38. Will White (Pre-Season SSP Rookie 2025) - 1 more year depending on how he goes this year. Solid VFL player with upside.

39. Alex Cincotta (Pre-season SSP 2023) - If he's fine after coming back from his hip issue then keep. Solid player who plays multiple roles.

41. Matt Duffy (International Rookie Cat B) - 1 more year

44. Francis Evans (Pre-Season SSP Rookie 2025) - Adios

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

On top of that I'd be telling Williams, and Young if they want to stay they're doing a Daisy Thomas and voluntarily taking a large pay cut. Williams especially, his contract was an absolute disaster in the end.

 

[Stamos]

On top of that I'd be telling Williams, and Young if they want to stay they're doing a Daisy Thomas and voluntarily taking a large pay cut. Williams especially, his contract was an absolute disaster in the end.

We're not allowed to alter Williams' contract.
Daisy waived a trigger clause, and then took less money on his second contract.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

We're not allowed to alter Williams' contract.
Daisy waved a trigger clause, and then took less money on his second contract.

Well then... It's been nice Zac!

 

[Stamos]

1. Jack Silvagni - Give him however long he wants. Can play anywhere and knows his role. Tries his guts out.

3. Jesse Motlop - Goodbye. Lazy footballer with no standout qualities for a small forward

11. Mitch McGovern - Adios. Conditional footballer who we'd be better off moving on from.

12. Tom De Koning - Whatever it takes. Get it done.

14. Orazio Fantasia - Gone

15. Sam Docherty - Gone. Loved him at his best but time to go at the end of the year.

17. Brodie Kemp - Trade bait. If someone is willing to give us a 2nd I'd say he goes

24. Nic Newman - 1 more year for Noodles.

26. Nick Haynes - Gone.

29. George Hewett (RFA) - Solid depth. 2 year deal.

31. Harry Lemmey - Gone. Just not up to it imo unfortunately.

32. Matt Carroll (Pre-season SSP 2025) - 1-2 more years depending on how he goes this year.

34. Rob Monahan (International Rookie Cat B) - Gone

35. Billy Wilson- 2 year deal.

38. Will White (Pre-Season SSP Rookie 2025) - 1 more year depending on how he goes this year. Solid VFL player with upside.

39. Alex Cincotta (Pre-season SSP 2023) - If he's fine after coming back from his hip issue then keep. Solid player who plays multiple roles.

41. Matt Duffy (International Rookie Cat B) - 1 more year

44. Francis Evans (Pre-Season SSP Rookie 2025) - Adios

It's way too early to make some of these calls.

 

[Stamos]

Well then... It's been nice Zac!

Well, we're not going to cut him early because we still would have to pay him in the cap.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

It's way too early to make some of these calls.

It's early, but I think the list changes this year will be fairly predictable from a long way out. But that's just part of the fun and games of the topic I suppose.

 

[Bletch]

It's way too early to make some of these calls.

Agree, though for an early season exercise into who needs to show something this year, Walshy's list isn't far off the mark.

Charleson should also be on the list, AFAIK he's out of contract end of this year.

 

[Stamos]

It's early, but I think the list changes this year will be fairly predictable from a long way out. But that's just part of the fun and games of the topic I suppose.

Is it fun writing off Docherty?

 

[RPCB]

Biggest list worry for me is TDK. Does he stay here for the rest of his career or does he look around at Cripps/Charlie/Harry/Weiters who have all been here for 10+ years, with years to run on their contracts, and no team success. I hope loyalty will win out in the end, or he goes to someone like Geelong who are always in the top 4.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Is it fun writing off Docherty?

If you're going to have a whinge about me writing off a player then I'll just be off. It's a list management thread and my own opinion.

 

[Stamos]

If you're going to have a whinge about me writing off a player then I'll just be off. It's a list management thread and my own opinion.

Like I said, way too early to be making some of those calls.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Like I said, way too early to be making some of those calls.

We're in a hypothetical list management thread. There would be literally no point in this thread existing until after the season had finished if we weren't allowed to go the early crow on things.

 

[Coops93]

11. Mitch McGovern - Adios. Conditional footballer who we'd be better off moving on from.

I feel like he's a bit of a reflection on the whole team.

When things are going well, he's a very good interceptor with clean hands and looks elite in disposal.

When pressure is applied, he gets fumbly, marks suddenly slip through his hands and he misses targets.

He's not the only one, but you can see why he causes debate. He looks great, then he doesn't. I think by now after how many years we know what he is - good when things go his way, not so good when pressure is applied.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Like I said, way too early to be making some of those calls.

Feel free to add your own list.

 

[Stamos]

Feel free to add your own list.

 

[CCurnow3votes]

I feel like he's a bit of a reflection on the whole team.

When things are going well, he's a very good interceptor with clean hands and looks elite in disposal.

When pressure is applied, he gets fumbly, marks suddenly slip through his hands and he misses targets.

He's not the only one, but you can see why he causes debate. He looks great, then he doesn't I think by now after how many years we know what he is - good when things go his way, not so good when pressure is applied.

He was great early last week.

& then not.

 

[Coops93]

Biggest list worry for me is TDK. Does he stay here for the rest of his career or does he look around at Cripps/Charlie/Harry/Weiters who have all been here for 10+ years, with years to run on their contracts, and no team success. I hope loyalty will win out in the end, or he goes to someone like Geelong who are always in the top 4.

I feel like we may be better letting him go at this point. We have a lot of expensive contracts, and our list balance clearly needs adjusting. He's a restricted free agent, so we could negotiate a trade and get better than band 1. Unfortunately, I think we're in a position where we need to rejuvenate the list, he has the value and the timing is right. The only downside with that is we'd be dealing with SOS who we know is a scrooge in these sorts of negotiations, but worst case scenario he leaves as FA and we just get band 1 compo, which may end up being a top 10 pick (hopefully not, but early signs aren't great).

Further, gun ruckmen don't seem to be a crucial step to getting a flag. Brisbane just won one with their backup, really all you need is a B grader in the spot. If we can get premium grade value for a position not essential in that process, then fine.