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[blues4flag]

3. Jesse Motlop - Goodbye. Lazy footballer with no standout qualities for a small forward

Not writing off Motlop yet. He did have a strong end to 2023 and never got going last season due to injury.

Had an absolute stinker in round 1 - everything he touched turned to crap, but he was also far more involved than at any point last season. Got his hands to the footy numerous times but couldn't finish his work.

Curious to see how he responds. I'm hoping he was over confident after a dominant preseason, and struggled to adjust to more athletic opposition + the pressure. Heap of half chances where he tried to bite off too much. Did fade late as well.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

The only downside with that is we'd be dealing with SOS who we know is a scrooge in these sorts of negotiations, but worst case scenario he leaves as FA and we just get band 1 compo, which may end up being a top 10 pick (hopefully not, but early signs aren't great).

If we were prepared to let him go, it would be in the Saints interest to have an understanding with us.

 

[Stamos]

Not writing off Motlop yet.

Had an absolute stinker in round 1 - everything he touched turned to crap

He actually started well. A couple of great hit-ups, 1 for a goal and the other which would have been if not for a combination of disgraceful umpiring and a terrible shot by Kemp.

Dropped away with the rest of the team.

 

[Stamos]

If we were prepared to let him go, it would be in the Saints interest to have an understanding with us.

How do you figure?
If the Saints are going to convince him to go there, it's going to be for massive dollars. Why would they want to give up any draft capital on top of that?

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

17. Brodie Kemp - Trade bait. If someone is willing to give us a 2nd I'd say he goes

It doesn't work like that, you can't shop a player around for the best deal like you could 30 years ago.

He's out of contract the end of the year, so if he wants to be traded, we have to accommodate. And if we believe the newspaper reports floating around the last trade period, we were willing to let him go if the deal was right. The Aints reportedly offered us pick 32 after they traded back from pick 27 and we rejected it....but we would have accepted pick 27 had they kept it.

There's no doubt SOS will be coming hard for him again, but now that he's out of contract (unless he re-signs during the year), he's gonna offer us peanuts like he did with Dow. We'll be lucky to get a 3rd round pick - more that likely he'll be wanting to throw us a future 4th or something similar, and threaten to walk him to the PSD if we reject it.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

How many other teams have as many players as we do on circa 800k/season contracts?

 

[Soapy V]

I feel like we may be better letting him go at this point. We have a lot of expensive contracts, and our list balance clearly needs adjusting. He's a restricted free agent, so we could negotiate a trade and get better than band 1. Unfortunately, I think we're in a position where we need to rejuvenate the list, he has the value and the timing is right. The only downside with that is we'd be dealing with SOS who we know is a scrooge in these sorts of negotiations, but worst case scenario he leaves as FA and we just get band 1 compo, which may end up being a top 10 pick (hopefully not, but early signs aren't great).

Further, gun ruckmen don't seem to be a crucial step to getting a flag. Brisbane just won one with their backup, really all you need is a B grader in the spot. If we can get premium grade value for a position not essential in that process, then fine.

It's a massive decision for the club

Cripps is now 30. Weitering is 28 this year. They are our two best players

Charlie & Harry are both 28. TDK will be 26. He is a star

What if he hasn't signed by mid year and we are really struggling? Do we still sign him?

My fear is we are all in with this group. The time is NOW and if it doesn't work we are going have to make a lot of tough decisions to start again

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Here’s an honest question; how many players on our list are known for their exquisite kicking skills? (D’ambrosio, Hayden Young, Jordan Dawson level).

Who would we classify as an A in that category?

 

[Bletch]

It's a massive decision for the club

Cripps is now 30. Weitering is 28 this year. They are our two best players

Charlie & Harry are both 28. TDK will be 26. He is a star

What if he hasn't signed by mid year and we are really struggling? Do we still sign him?

My fear is we are all in with this group. The time is NOW and if it doesn't work we are going have to make a lot of tough decisions to start again

There's no choice really. It's the worst time to consider a "start again" rebuild, with Tassie coming into the comp. This year will be the last uncompromised draft for the next 2-3.

I think it's a matter of toughing it out with the core group we've got for the next few years (basically until Cripps is done).

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Here’s an honest question; how many players on our list are known for their exquisite kicking skills? (D’ambrosio, Hayden Young, Jordan Dawson level).

Who would we classify as an A in that category?

Acres

 

[Soapy V]

Here’s an honest question; how many players on our list are known for their exquisite kicking skills? (D’ambrosio, Hayden Young, Jordan Dawson level).

Who would we classify as an A in that category?

None and I have been saying it for years. That's why I really liked the manic contested game plan. It played to our key strengths and took skill out of it

Best is probably Weitering. We have some "good" kicks of the footy but no one is elite

 

[Soapy V]

There's no choice really. It's the worst time to consider a "start again" rebuild, with Tassie coming into the comp. This year will be the last uncompromised draft for the next 2-3.

I think it's a matter of toughing it out with the core group we've got for the next few years (basically until Cripps is done).

Wouldn't it be worse to wait 2-3 years?

If we don't turn it around quickly mid year could be very interesting

 

[Lukeblueboy]

Imo the appropriate people should have been reading the play 2 years ago and started working towards our fixing some issues/weaknesses we have now.
They were imo starting to come to the fore a couple of years back.

 

[Bletch]

Wouldn't it be worse to wait 2-3 years?

If we don't turn it around quickly mid year could be very interesting

I don't think so, no. Say we traded in our capital (better players) for draft picks this year. We'd likely then bottom out next year, only to have Tassie come along and grab all the top picks (apart from Cody). Same would happen for the next 2 years or so, as Tassie concessions would dilute the available draft picks. After that point, we'd be re-starting our rebuild again, already behind Tassie.

Better to hold out to 2028-9 with what we have, and bank on it working out. If it doesn't then, we've lost nothing, as we'd be starting a rebuild at around the same time as we would in the scenario above.

Agree on mid-year becoming "interesting". I still believe we can get the current group to click. The talent is there. We saw that in the middle of last year. Getting the bulk of our best 25 or so available is the key.

 

[Soapy V]

I look at what I call our core senior/better players. These are the guys that MUST lead us to a flag. The ages of these guys this year is concerning. A flag needs to happen in next 2 years or this group is done

Silvagni - 28
Cerra - 26
Williams - 31
Cripps - 30
Harry - 28
McGovern - 31
TDK - 26
Acres - 30
Docherty - 32
Walsh - 25
Weitering - 28
Newman - 32
Hewett - 30
Charlie - 28
Saad - 31

Other issue is none are quick or great ball users

 

[Blue_Fusion]

It's a massive decision for the club

Cripps is now 30. Weitering is 28 this year. They are our two best players

Charlie & Harry are both 28. TDK will be 26. He is a star

What if he hasn't signed by mid year and we are really struggling? Do we still sign him?

My fear is we are all in with this group. The time is NOW and if it doesn't work we are going have to make a lot of tough decisions to start again

We will never trade those 5 you mentioned.

But if we have a bad season (by bad I mean miss finals) then things could really get ugly:

• Chances are TDK will walk. Nothing we can do about that if he does... there's no way we're matching 1.7mill/season for him.
• Chances are Voss will be gone. Any new coach is not going to want to part with senior players and if they are, good luck selling to this board that we need to rebuild again.
• There's currently no real kpd support for Weitering. Hasn't been since we lost Jones...
• We have zero quality pressure small forwards that can win the ground ball and impact the score board.
• Worst of all areas... our midfield. Still one paced. Still too reliant on Cripps. Still can't hit f50 targets. Still can't run both ways. Feels like we've been saying this for 10 years...
• Every top 15 pick we've spent on mids has been a bust... then there's Walsh who hasn't really had a chance to work his way into this season yet, but he's injured at the start of every season. iinm, this year was his first rd1 appearance under Voss... and it was touch and go...
• His back issues have really hampered him and his confidence is shot. He's now reduced to dumping the ball on his boot and wherever it goes, it goes. We really need to try him on a wing...
• Saad is in decline
• We've tried to repurpose JSOS as a KPD and Kemp and Williams as forwards. Why? Williams cannot play half back any more. Kemp is too unreliable down back. So Jack is one of our only other options to have a senior body supporting Weitering
• We have multiple "stars" on massive contracts
• We've given lengthy contracts to players who haven't really done much to earn them (Cottrell as an example)

I mean, where does the improvement come from, from there? Without TDK we're left with Pitto who for a 200cm player cannot take a mark. We don't have our first 2 picks this year (we'll get one if TDK leaves but not nearly worth his value).

Then there's the following 30+ yr olds who it's hard to see improving next year:

Saad, Gov, Williams, Newman, Doc, Hewett and Haynes

So you're spot on... there will be a LOT of tough decisions to make if we can't capitalise with what we've got now...

 

[Soapy V]

Imo the appropriate people should have been reading the play 2 years ago and started working towards our fixing some issues/weaknesses we have now.
They were imo starting to come to the fore a couple of years back.

Maybe they did and got it wrong? The fact we traded our Kennedy & Owies showed to me they thought we had deficiences

Austin was desperate to bring in genuine young talent like Smith. Campo twins look good as does O'Farrell. We need Wilson Lord to step up

At the moment Lemmey & Moir look off the pace and O'Keefe can't stay on the park

We really need some of our young guys to step up

 

[Stamos]

Imo the appropriate people should have been reading the play 2 years ago and started working towards our fixing some issues/weaknesses we have now.
They were imo starting to come to the fore a couple of years back.

I think they did, it might just take a bit longer for those kids to fully come on.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

A list of players who you think should stay, are on the chopping block, or to early to tell.

It's a discussion point and it is all speculative.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

There's no choice really. It's the worst time to consider a "start again" rebuild, with Tassie coming into the comp. This year will be the last uncompromised draft for the next 2-3.

I think it's a matter of toughing it out with the core group we've got for the next few years (basically until Cripps is done).

By the looks of it, Cripps will once again have to carry the midfield...

The Jagger injury has really hurt us. Not to say we're reliant on an 18 year old... but the year of development he could have had would have been invaluable to us.

Being tied to the Camporeale bros and depleted of quality KPDs meant we couldn't go for any fast paced mids. Tom Gross was still available for example.

But there's none that we've gone for in other draft years either... Weddle a missed opportunity for example.

Back in 2018, I really wanted us to draft Rankine... he'd be super handy right now... instead we played it safe and went for Walsh...

So yeah, I wouldn't say it's the worst time to consider a mini rebuild. We really have to revamp our midfield, pray that HOF becomes the player we need him to be and fast and somehow find a small forward who can impact the scoreboard as well as apply pressure and crumb.

 

[circusdevil]

Maybe they did and got it wrong? The fact we traded our Kennedy & Owies showed to me they thought we had deficiences

Austin was desperate to bring in genuine young talent like Smith. Campo twins look good as does O'Farrell. We need Wilson Lord to step up

At the moment Lemmey & Moir look off the pace and O'Keefe can't stay on the park

We really need some of our young guys to step up

Geez, lucky these are just opinions ...

Lemmey was said to be impressive in the first half last week, and Moir had 4 shots on goal in the 2nd. Moir has talent - something our forward half lacks. Lemmey was a fine target in the 1st half, competed well and rucked well when called upon in the 2nd half. He needs to put on some size but has some tools.

I don't see it with Wilson... was meant to be recruited as a midfielder, yet he doesn't play midfield and all he appears to be able to do is run fast.

 

[circusdevil]

Back in 2018, I really wanted us to draft Rankine... he'd be super handy right now... instead we played it safe and went for Walsh...

Which player would be running around for us with the draft pick we got when Rankine wanted to go back to Adelaide?

 

[Opium]

Here’s an honest question; how many players on our list are known for their exquisite kicking skills? (D’ambrosio, Hayden Young, Jordan Dawson level).

Who would we classify as an A in that category?

Zero. I'd class Boyd as a B grade.

 

[RPCB]

Here’s an honest question; how many players on our list are known for their exquisite kicking skills? (D’ambrosio, Hayden Young, Jordan Dawson level).

Who would we classify as an A in that category?

Harry McKay.

 

[JJBagger]

Here’s an honest question; how many players on our list are known for their exquisite kicking skills? (D’ambrosio, Hayden Young, Jordan Dawson level).

Who would we classify as an A in that category?

Charlie Curnow