List Mgmt. 2025 List Management 📃

[Soapy V]

My concern is Cripps played every game and got 45 brownlow votes and we fell into 8th place. Lots of pressure on Cripps next season with limited support.

A fit Walsh & Cerra makes a massive difference. Hewett as well. That is a top group

Elijah will improve and then there is Docherty and I expect a bit from Lord

Pick 3 could easily step up and expectations internally are high for Ben Camporeale. Wilson another. Cincotta is underrated

I expect Fogarty Williams Motlop Durdin to have midfield minutes as well. I’d love to see Kemp in there

As is usual fitness in the key

 

[FlowersByIrene]

At the start of 2025 I expect the midfield pecking order (assuming all fit) to be:

1. Cripps
2. Walsh
3. Cerra
4. Hewett
5. E.Hollands*
6. Docherty*
7. Lord
8. Pick 3*
9. Camporeale

We likely play 4 main mids with others rotating through. The asterix beside Doch, Elijah and Pick 3 indicates I expect them to be best 22 in other roles but that's where they sit in the pecking order as a primary onballer.

Carroll probably slots in between Lord and pick 3, so unlikely to get a go even with a few injuries and he has no secondary position so won't be called upon in another role barring catastrophe. If Walsh or Cerra goes down, I think we would sooner push Doch or Elijah to fulltime mid then have called on Carroll.

If we select one of the midfielders with pace and clearance skills (i.e Jagga or Sid) i'd hope they'd be straight into 4 or 5 on that list as of Round 1.

 

[Opium]

I mean, if Cripps and Hewett get injured at anytime, it is going to be a problem. Why stop there? If Cripps, Hewett, Walsh and Cerra are all injured, who do we turn to? We need backup for our backup. Let's carry more backups than actual AFL grade midfielders ... just in case.

But I'll play ...

Cripps
Hewett
Walsh
Cerra
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Docherty
E Hollands
Pick 3
B Camporeale
L Camporeale
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Acres
O Hollands
Binns
Williams
Fantasia
Motlop
Kemp
Boyd
Fogarty
Durdin
Cowan
Saad
Cottrell

You get creative when you have an injury crisis. You take an Ed Richards from half back and put him on ball. You change things up. Theoretically, any small/mid sized player can stand a man at a centre bounce and provide a contest. Carroll and Kennedy aren't the difference makers here.

I think it's an overreaction from list management. We have only 4 genuine midfielders on our senior list. (Not including Lord) rookie. The issue is not giving players opportunities when they were performing even with a horrendous injury list. Players like Binns for example. These players aren't midfielders though. Now we're pinning our hopes on unproven picks in the draft. Let's hope we develop the kids properly and not throw them to the wolves.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I understand the Marchbank, Cuningham and Martin delistings. 11 games total combined. All three very injury prone. You can replace that with ease.

I understand the delistings of Akuei, M Carroll, S Durdin and Mirkov. They're all either injury prone, lacked development or both. Sorry lads, all the best.

I understand the Owies decision as much as it hurts.

I begrudgingly accept the Kennedy trade

The way I look at it, Carroll aside, we've already cut 3 players off the team - Owies and Kennedy who were best 22 and the trio of injury prone who gave you half a season.

In totality, it's 9 list spots total.

We've gutted the list of depth which was our strength in our run to the preliminary final in 2023.

Re-signing Jack Carroll was an absolute no brainer.

It's just dumb. A step too far.

Carroll wants senior games and another club is offering him that. They weren't prepared to trade so we look after the player and let him go.

10 players in total. 4 constantly injured players, 3 rookies who never got a game and didn't look likely to. 2 regular best 22 players but not in our top dozen, and 1 fringe/depth midfielder.

It won't be the difference between winning or losing.

 

[BigFrizz36]

I understand the Marchbank, Cuningham and Martin delistings. 11 games total combined. All three very injury prone. You can replace that with ease.

I understand the delistings of Akuei, M Carroll, S Durdin and Mirkov. They're all either injury prone, lacked development or both. Sorry lads, all the best.

I understand the Owies decision as much as it hurts.

I begrudgingly accept the Kennedy trade

The way I look at it, Carroll aside, we've already cut 3 players off the team - Owies and Kennedy who were best 22 and the trio of injury prone who gave you half a season.

In totality, it's 9 list spots total.

We've gutted the list of depth which was our strength in our run to the preliminary final in 2023.

Re-signing Jack Carroll was an absolute no brainer.

It's just dumb. A step too far.

How many times do you want it not to work before you decide that we need to refresh things?

I can't even imagine a parallel universe where having/not having Jack Carroll on our list moves the needle in any shape or form. I liked the bloke and hoped that he might step up but he is very vanilla.

 

[Monty1978]

Lol, no he didn't

Was sarcasm bro … my point was let’s relax on a player who has played a total of 2 games …. Booootssss

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I think it's an overreaction from list management. The issue is not giving players opportunities when they were performing even with a horrendous injury list. Players like Binns for example. These players aren't midfielders though. Now we're pinning our hopes on unproven picks in the draft. Let's hope we develop the kids properly and not throw them to the wolves.

The players you are complaining about aren't the ones who didn't get played though. Who didn't get played that you are lamenting the loss of?

 

[Soapy V]

10 changes so far. Who would have thought


PS if someone had of offered a bag of chips for Young it would have been 11

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Won't feel it every week but guys like Kennedy, Owies, Carroll are handy depth. If we get hit with injuries, we may feel it.

Also would've been very handy for our VFL program, we need to not finish 2nd bottom again (but fully understand you don't keep players on the list to boost VFL results). But a good performing VFL side puts pressure on senior players every week, if it's full of kids getting spanked every week then that's just bad business for development, competition for spots, morale etc.

I'm not complaining, just think it's a fair admission of the club not rating our bottom 6, at all.

Definitely didn't rate our bottom 6 and neither did the fans most of the time. Way too inconsistent. Way too many limited role players in the side at the same time. The club put up with this for far too long, long enough for fans to become attached to these players.

Here comes the 30th anniversary of our last premiership. 26 years since our last grand final appearance. Some fans either weren't around or have forgotten how ruthless we used to be in chasing flags.

 

[Monty1978]

A fit Walsh & Cerra makes a massive difference. Hewett as well. That is a top group

Elijah will improve and then there is Docherty and I expect a bit from Lord

Pick 3 could easily step up and expectations internally are high for Ben Camporeale. Wilson another. Cincotta is underrated

I expect Fogarty Williams Motlop Durdin to have midfield minutes as well. I’d love to see Kemp in there

As is usual fitness in the key

I got a little depressed reading this … cincotta campo doc lord and a bunch of flaky half forwards as our second string midfielders …. Hopefully cerra walsh acres hollands play well or we are cooked

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

These are unproven 17 year old kids

So were Hollands and Cowan.

So were Daicos, Reid, Sheezel etc.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

He rotated between centre bounce and wing.

Which I think is fair to say is midfield

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A defensive winger maybe, but yes I would agree that wing is midfield and I am splitting hairs

When you said that initially my head went to center bounce players, which is obviously not a fair representation

My bad

 

[NewDarkNavyBlues]

I got a little depressed reading this … cincotta campo doc lord and a bunch of flaky half forwards as our second string midfielders …. Hopefully cerra walsh acres hollands play well or we are cooked

I said this earlier in the year that we need a mini rebuild. The rule changes have caught us off guard. Out with the slow and injury plagued and in with some speed and class.

Jagga Smith
Pick 38
DGB
Rob Innes

(Praying for some coaching changes)

Let’s kick this up a notch Graeme!

 

[DangerousD]

So 6 off the Senior List, with the addition of Haynes and then Boyd to be elevated means 4 vacancies.

Add Lord to the rookie list, subtract Boyd and the 3 cut means 3 Rookie vacancies.

As others have mentioned losing Carrol and Kennedy leaves the midfield cupboard pretty bare.

Both played lots this year, who we add via the draft will be interesting, I think we have lost a bit of depth with Kennedy, Owies and Carrol leaving

 

[Opium]

The players you are complaining about aren't the ones who didn't get played though. Who didn't get played that you are lamenting the loss of?

Binns for starters. We have 4 wingmen on our list at present. Hollands, Acres, Cottrell, Binns. The same amount of Starting Mids. Crazy

 

[Opium]

So were Hollands and Cowan.

So were Daicos, Reid, Sheezel etc.

How many Daicos,Reid and Sheezel are out there in previous drafts? It's putting a fair bit of pressure on pick three.

 

[marcmurphy3]

A fit Walsh & Cerra makes a massive difference. Hewett as well. That is a top group

Elijah will improve and then there is Docherty and I expect a bit from Lord

Pick 3 could easily step up and expectations internally are high for Ben Camporeale. Wilson another. Cincotta is underrated

I expect Fogarty Williams Motlop Durdin to have midfield minutes as well. I’d love to see Kemp in there

As is usual fitness in the key

All good points. And ultimately you can't plan your list management around another injury catastrophe. Yes, if all our mids go down it would be handy to have Jack C but if all our mids go down we are pretty stuffed regardless. As good as "next man up" is (I get why the club has that mantra internally), realistically we are not making top 4 or winning a flag unless we get a decent injury run. Need to have a balanced list and ability to cover the odd player when required (which we do) but can't plan around mayhem like we had this year.

 

[Soapy V]

I got a little depressed reading this … cincotta campo doc lord and a bunch of flaky half forwards as our second string midfielders …. Hopefully cerra walsh acres hollands play well or we are cooked

3rd string for limited minutes

 

[Opium]

As others have mentioned losing Carrol and Kennedy leaves the midfield cupboard pretty bare.

Both played lots this year, who we add via the draft will be interesting, I think we have lost a bit of depth with Kennedy, Owies and Carrol leaving

Could easily have got rid of Cotrell and Fantasia if we really needed list spots. Instead we get rid of our best clubman who played every game in practically every position asked. And Carrol who is only 22 years old.

 

[Opium]

A fit Walsh & Cerra makes a massive difference. Hewett as well. That is a top group

Elijah will improve and then there is Docherty and I expect a bit from Lord

Pick 3 could easily step up and expectations internally are high for Ben Camporeale. Wilson another. Cincotta is underrated

I expect Fogarty Williams Motlop Durdin to have midfield minutes as well. I’d love to see Kemp in there

As is usual fitness in the key

Cerra has done hammy 5 times in the last 12 months? These are the facts. We'd be lucky to get 15 games out of him next season. Walsh has a bad back and may never truly recover to get to his best again.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

So 6 off the Senior List, with the addition of Haynes and then Boyd to be elevated means 4 vacancies.

Add Lord to the rookie list, subtract Boyd and the 3 cut means 3 Rookie vacancies.

If we're after more DFA one year contract types, there's the option to promote Cincotta too and create an extra rookie spot

 

[btdg]

I think that was the right call.on Carroll.

To be an AFL footballer you need one of three primary abilities: you need to be able to get the ball, you need elite disposal or you need to have scoreboard impact. If you don't have any of those the options are extremely limited.

Carroll played 21 games (7 as sub) in three years and didn't show any of those primary qualities. Only hit 20 touches once, disposal ordinary, only 9 shots at.goal in 21 games.

It's always hard when blokes have clear secondary attributes - Carroll seems tough, works hard, good clubman.

I think a good metric for midfielder impact is disposals + tackles + score (ie goal = 6 points). By this measure 25 is a 'pass', 30 = good game, 40=excellent. Carroll hit a pass mark only once, with 26pts in his debut. As a contrast, Eli Hollands prior to this year (ie same age, 14 career games vs 14 complete games for Carroll) hit a pass mark 5x and had a career best of 37pts. Ollie Hollands hit a 'pass' level 5x this year despite being a year younger and having a bit of second year blues.

Basically, Carroll seems like a good bloke and a good clubman but just wasn't very good. Better to give time to Lord, Binns, Camporeale and pick 3 IMO

 

[Soapy V]

Binns for starters. We have 4 wingmen on our list at present. Hollands, Acres, Cottrell, Binns. The same amount of Starting Mids. Crazy

Ollie will go to HB and Cottrelll isn’t a wingman

Club has finally put faith in the next generation which I applaud

 

[PatsFitztrick]

Here comes the 30th anniversary of our last premiership. 26 years since our last grand final appearance. Some fans either weren't around or have forgotten how ruthless we used to be in chasing flags.

I haven't.
And that's why I've been such a grumpy old bugger for the last 20 years.

 

[Soapy V]

Cerra has done hammy 5 times in the last 12 months? These are the facts. We'd be lucky to get 15 games out of him next season. Walsh has a bad back and may never truly recover to get to his best again.

His trip to Qatar was a success and he is running without pain for first time in years. Trust the process and the new fitness team

Walsh is actually fine. Just needs a pre season