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[Revenant1965]

I don't think 2014 was a good draft year as a whole. Certainly Petracca, A.Brayshaw, Heeney ( Sydney acadamy), Jake Lever

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Jake Lever

Age

28

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.6

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

4.9

4star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.3

3star

MG

242.0

4star

D

9.6

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

3.1

2star

M

3.9

4star

T

1.3

2star

MG

145.4

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

11.0

4star

HB

5.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

189.8

4star

... and a few others... but I don't think on the whole a good draft year...

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Don’t need LDU. Ed Richards is a star, but still not sold on him being any more than a one season wonder at this stage

Just as well we get to see if he can back it up before potentially having a crack

He’s the one I’d look at, not absolute top tier like Bont/LDU who will cost astronomical numbers in cash and years


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[teagueyubeauty]

Let me take you back to 2014, the single worst draft/trade/recruitment period by any club in the history of the league.

Traded out Pick 7 & 19 for Kristian Jaksch and Mark Whiley

Pick 19 - Blaine Boekhurst
Pick 28 - Dillon Vojo-Rainbow
Pick 60 - Clem Smith
Pick 63 - Jayden Foster
PSD - Jason Tutt
Rookie draft - Billy Gowers, Brad Walsh, Tom Fields, Fraser Russell
Delisted free agent - Matthew Dick

Only positive was Liam Jones for Pick 46.

Positive note, it forced change…..albeit 6 years too late


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[BigFrizz36]

Anyone think we may be wasting our time with Monahan. I know it was his 1st year, but I dont think he showed much.

Not for one second suggesting that Monahan is in a similar category but Jim Stynes struggled with the game when he first arrived. Was sent to Prahran VFA to help his development and didn't play a senior game till his third year.

As a Cat B rookie lets give him another year with his Irish mate here and you never know what might happen.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I don't think 2014 was a good draft year as a whole. Certainly Petracca, A.Brayshaw, Heeney ( Sydney acadamy), Jake Lever... and a few others... but I don't think on the whole a good draft year...

One of the worst ever

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Positive note, it forced change…..albeit 6 years too late


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Funnily enough for someone else who stuffed up that draft

 

[kreuze_missile]

Not for one second suggesting that Monahan is in a similar category but Jim Stynes struggled with the game when he first arrived. Was sent to Prahran VFA to help his development and didn't play a senior game till his third year.

As a Cat B rookie lets give him another year with his Irish mate here and you never know what might happen.

Typically there is a low probability that Rookie, DFA, MSD, PSD etc picks turn into decent footballers.

It's very much a gamble but we've found a few over the years...

2023 - Lord
2022 - Cincotta
2020 - Boyd
2019 - Jack Martin, Newnes, Newman
2018 - Cottrell, Owies

 

[JJBagger]

Won't feel it every week but guys like Kennedy, Owies, Carroll are handy depth. If we get hit with injuries, we may feel it.

Also would've been very handy for our VFL program, we need to not finish 2nd bottom again (but fully understand you don't keep players on the list to boost VFL results). But a good performing VFL side puts pressure on senior players every week, if it's full of kids getting spanked every week then that's just bad business for development, competition for spots, morale etc.

I'm not complaining, just think it's a fair admission of the club not rating our bottom 6, at all.

If we want “handy depth”, we would’ve hung onto Nick Graham and Sam Kerridge all these years

 

[The Bighouse]

Worth a crack, exceptional athlete and exceptional skills in GAA

If it doesn’t click next year then agree, no loss to us though - don’t mind us grabbing Irish kids

Also, very hard to learn the game in our depleted VFL team last season, especially at the start. It was a tough initiation.

 

[bradfisher14]

Extending TDK is paramount for us, but I think that Cornes is spot on with his take. We need to be very careful with the type of contract we hand out to him so that we don't get into a Grundy situation.

Cornes names the three 2025 AFL free agents he is most intrigued by and the "walk away" price for Carlton star

Cornes has named who he believes are the most interesting free agents in 2025.

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[Stamos]

Outs (Senior)
Marchbank
Cuningham
Martin
Owies
Kennedy
J Carroll

Ins (Senior)
Haynes


Outs (Rookies)
Mirkov
Akuie
S Durdin *
M Caroll *

* ‘Train on’ / Supplemental list opportunity


So a net 5 senior list positions and 4 rookie list positions.
Or 4 and 5 respectively with Boyd elevation.

I wonder if we are considering taking a DFA.

You're forgetting Lord & Duffy, so it's 4 Senior & 3 Rookie spots available.

I seriously doubt we bring in a DFA prior to the Rookie Draft.

 

[SurreyBlue]

“That’s a surprise to me”: Maher reacts to shock Carlton delisting

“I’ve got no doubt somebody will be picking him up."

www.sen.com.au

 

[Bell Ringer]

So we've let go Setterfield, Dow, Kennedy Carroll in the past 3 seasons who all provided midfield depth and who have we replaced them with?

I know we picked up Lord midseason however he's only a rookie.

Setterfield.

Lol.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Setterfield.

Lol.

Can't believe that anybody is prepared to die on the Setterfield, Dow and Carroll hill.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Can't believe that anybody is prepared to die on the Setterfield, Dow and Carroll hill.

Highlighting the fact midfielders have been moved on and not replaced is dying?
Our fixation with small forwards has played a part of not balancing other areas like midfield.

 

[bradfisher14]

So we've let go Setterfield, Dow, Kennedy Carroll in the past 3 seasons who all provided midfield depth and who have we replaced them with?

I know we picked up Lord midseason however he's only a rookie.

All 4 of those names are average AFL players at very best and have shown they aren't good enough to win us a flag.

We're replacing them with younger players that have the potential to be much better.

We can either run it back with the same list that has proven it isn't good enough or we can give younger players a chance.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

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Footage of durdin trying to tackle?

 

[kreuze_missile]

Extending TDK is paramount for us, but I think that Cornes is spot on with his take. We need to be very careful with the type of contract we hand out to him so that we don't get into a Grundy situation.

TDK turns 26 in 2025, people will say rucks mature late, but his game is based on athleticism and that doesn't increase as players get older.

Personally I think we're at his ceiling now. It's a high ceiling. And I love TDK when he has the game on his terms.

But my biggest concern is that his output seems to be entirely dependant on his matchup.

Put him against a less physical ruck (e.g. SDK, McInerney) and he has the ability to dominate games.

But big bruisers (e.g. Xerri, Nankervis) eat him for breakfast.

And what does TDK look like beyond age 30 when his athleticism drops off?

We'll probably pay whatever it takes because we're screwed without him... but I don't think it will represent good value.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Also, very hard to learn the game in our depleted VFL team last season, especially at the start. It was a tough initiation.

Absolutely, a full off season where he can work on his positioning will help hugely

I don’t watch a lot of VFL but often saw him a kick and a half from the play, or half a kick from the play

Just in no man’s land, he is definitely athletic and strong so if he can use that to his advantage he has potential to be a player

 

[Juddernaut08]

At the start of 2025 I expect the midfield pecking order (assuming all fit) to be:

1. Cripps
2. Walsh
3. Cerra
4. Hewett
5. E.Hollands*
6. Docherty*
7. Lord
8. Pick 3*
9. Camporeale

We likely play 4 main mids with others rotating through. The asterix beside Doch, Elijah and Pick 3 indicates I expect them to be best 22 in other roles but that's where they sit in the pecking order as a primary onballer.

Carroll probably slots in between Lord and pick 3, so unlikely to get a go even with a few injuries and he has no secondary position so won't be called upon in another role barring catastrophe. If Walsh or Cerra goes down, I think we would sooner push Doch or Elijah to fulltime mid then have called on Carroll.

I think we're forgetting how AFL-ready some of these top draftees are.

There's several players taken at the pointy end of the draft from the past 6 years (Sam Walsh being one of them) who IMO would be ahead ahead of all but Cripps and Walsh based on last year's form.

 

[DangerousD]

But thats not the point. These players are good but not going to take us forward. We have told them our requirements and they have chosen to find other opportunities. Are you saying we should be selfish and hold these players purely so that we have them as back up?

Yes, that’s exactly what we should have done with Kennedy

 

[blueboy25]

Our depth next year is the health of the squad

Exactly.....in saying that we are taking a big gamble that it will come good.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Highlighting the fact midfielders have been moved on and not replaced is dying?
Our fixation with small forwards has played a part of not balancing other areas like midfield.

Except they have been replaced. Adam Cerra was bought in the year before Will Setterfield was moved on, Elijah Hollands was bought in when Paddy Dow was moved on and pick 3 and Ben Camporeale (who we knew we were getting quite some time ago) will be bought in the year that Jack carroll was moved on. .

Hanging on to midfielders who, for whatever reason, have not reached the levels expected of them for depths sake is just terrible list management.

And it has nothing to do with small forwards. We have just got rid of one of them as well.

 

[marcmurphy3]

I think we're forgetting how AFL-ready some of these top draftees are.

There's several players taken at the pointy end of the draft from the past 6 years (Sam Walsh being one of them) who IMO would be ahead ahead of all but Cripps and Walsh based on last year's form.

That's true. That said, this pecking order is meant to reflect the onball rotation, not a ranking of players in general.

I expect whoever we pick at 3 to play round 1 but most likely not as one if our main onballers. Could progress there throughout the year though.

Daicos and Scheezel started halfback whilst Walsh spent the first half of season 1 on the wing. Pretty unusual to be a primary onballer from day dot. Ashcroft the only one I can think of recently.

 

[kreuze_missile]

Yes, that’s exactly what we should have done with Kennedy

Slow one-paced midfielders aren't the answer in 2025.

No place for him in the middle alongside Cripps.

Hewett a better midfielder and even he is on the fringe given his lack of pace.

And he's not good enough to play as a permanent forward.

Sulking it up after being subbed in the elim final was it for me.