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Nah, you are taking it to the extreme
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I am but you can't cherry pick if that is the mantra
As a pure example, let's say this is our starting 7 backline
Gov Weitering Newman
Doc Haynes Saad
Cowan
Rest of the players that can play back:
Boyd, Jsos, Young, Ollie, Cincotta, Wilson. You could even add Kemp to that list
We decide to rest Doc, but rather than shifting Gov to that role and bringing in Jsos, Young or Kemp and or a straight swap in either Boyd, Cincotta or Ollie, people believe that Wilson should be given a go so he can shine?
It has to be on merit
Yeap, can't see Hewett not starting the season, then it's his spot to lose and others to take it from him
It seems its Dow effect all over again
Let's say Jagga comes in for Kennedy
So who do we bring in instead of Hewett that has pace?
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I think we'll go as our small /pressure forwards go. That will be the limiting factor. If they play well, we'll be in the top 4. If not we'll barely scrape into finals.I think we have a very strong list and I refuse to believe that we won't be a top 4 side
All we need is more luck with injuries, we've had our fair share of injuries - can we have some luck please!
From a list point of view, IMO we are light in two areas and weak in one area.
We are light on KPD and ruck, and therefore highly dependent on Weiters and TDK's availability.
We are weak in small fwds, but if we can get the ball in there often enough I'm sure between Motlop, Williams and Moir we'll have enough shots at goal
I'm using my best 23 as an example, sure we can differ in our views on best 23, but if you look at it objectively - apart from the areas I've highlighted above - we have a lot of depth everywhere else.
No lists are perfect - but, we have a pretty darn good one.
So finish top 4 is the aim this year - and then we'll contest for the 2025 premiership
For my best 23
I would like the younger guys to push for best 23 - we need their energy, enthusiasm & speed - mixed with our core group, we have a really potent side.
There are question marks all over these young guys, but we need to give them an opportunity to shine.
Bring on 2025 already!
B: Docherty Silvagni McGovern
HB: OHollands Weitering Saad
C: Acres Cripps Lord
HF: Elijah McKay Williams
F: Moir Curnow Motlop
Foll: TDK Cerra Walsh
Int: Newman Kemp Hewett Wilson Smith
Decisions:
- Cowan vs Wilson - I went with Wilson, I think his speed will really help us
- Boyd vs Newman - I love Boyd, but as I have enough young players I need some more wiser heads
- Durdin vs Motlop - I went with Motlop and hoping for a big year from him. Our forward line needs more potency i.e. every player of being able to kick multiple goals in any given week
- Haynes vs JSOS - I went for more flexibility with having both JSOS and Kemp in the side
- Fogarty vs Lord - I hope we've gone pass Fogarty
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Interchange.
I posted a best 23 a little while back.
Jagga will start getting some midfield minutes but also on a wing or flank.
We won't be upsetting the balance by removing our best defensive mid for a first year talent
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kemp and SOS are 2 that are in danger of being "too flexible" for their own good. Playing 3rd tall is where they are at.
Jagga comes in for Hewitt.
Cripps Walsh Cerra Smith EHollands
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Nope, can't see it. George is our best defensive mid. Gets touches himself whilst ensuring that his opponent doesn't get off the leash.
I would hope that Jagga isn't asked to play that role. He's an offensive weapon snd should be used that way. I also doubt that he plays the amount of midfield minutes in year 1 that George does. There will be wing and flank and even forward pocket minutes for Jagga next season.
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Surprised to see Cowan not a unanimous best 22.
Going into his 3rd year.
Pretty good defensively.
I think he’s in for a big year just quietly.
Going into his 3rd year.
Pretty good defensively.
I think he’s in for a big year just quietly.
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I like him but IMO it'd be hard to have him as a unanimous selection on exposed form & when factoring in our options in his preferred positions.
Didn’t say he was replacing Hewitt to play a defensive role. Was just listing the 5 mids I would go with for best 22 balance.
I think it will be Cerra and Hewitt fight for a starting midfield position.
Cripps and Walsh are locks. Jagga and EHollands have the versatility to play fwd/ mid
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If Hewetts defensive mid role was deemed so integrel he wouldnt have been dropped or made sub several times this year.
I dont think our midfield set-up is so specific that we need a guy doing exactly what he does, as long as we have some mids that work hard defensively in general.
That said, I dont expect Jagga to start as a fulltime onballer. He'll get some minutes but hes a skinny kid. It'll be high half forward and/or wing for at least the first 8 rounds or so.
Is “defensive mid” the new term for a player that “u” like but is slow, b grade & isn’t a great disposer of the ball?
Lays tackles, works hard but “defensive mid”
He doesn’t look to good defensively if theres a sort of break away from the opposition or they are moving the ball well in transition, 1 quick step and he’s toast.
It doesn’t help spread and movement, when he’s moving the ball backwards & has 1 and only 1 position to play - he’s not even a “gap” fill anywhere else
If u want defensive play Cinc as a tagger, its time to stop playing the same slow combo & expecting new results
I have him in. Would love to see him do more offensively though. In under 18s he could accumulate, was dynamic and damaging with the ball. Havent seen much of this since he joined us. Hopefully its just a confidence thing.
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No.Is “defensive mid” the new term for a player that “u” like but is slow, b grade & isn’t a great disposer of the ball?
Lays tackles, works hard but “defensive mid”
He doesn’t look to good defensively if theres a sort of break away from the opposition or they are moving the ball well in transition, 1 quick step and he’s toast.
It doesn’t help spread and movement, when he’s moving the ball backwards & has 1 and only 1 position to play - he’s not even a “gap” fill anywhere else
If u want defensive play Cinc as a tagger, its time to stop playing the same slow combo & expecting new results
Why?
We get reduced output from our midfield when playing a tagger. George goes h2h & wins his own ball, which allows Cripps to play a more attacking role too - does it make him a lock? Nope.
Someone working the defensive side of stoppage is all the more important because TDK pushes out the attacking side too.
I'm unsure why "b-grader" has become a pejorative term too.
IMHO, right now Hewett is a lock, along with Cripps, Walsh, Cerra
Suspect Jagga is first cab off the rank and will be starting 22
The rest, are fighting for a spot to dislodge the above
Suspect Jagga is first cab off the rank and will be starting 22
The rest, are fighting for a spot to dislodge the above
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I like him and think he’ll be a good player but his disposal still needs a lot of work. He’s close to become a best 22 player next season and in time will take a spot as Saad and Newman decline but at least for next season he is behind them so he will be competing with Boyd for the last small defender role IMO.
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Totally, totally agree. Hewett can come in for Cripps (when and if needed).
It is a coaching/structural thing first and foremost. That said, there is no problem with asking a player with rebounding and distributing traits to learn to defend first.
Just hope the coaching group change up the roles somewhat during the season. It will not be long at all before Saad and Newy are moved past. It is hard to argue they should not be first choices for the near future, but some investment in the future is necessary so their replacements are not going in cold, so to speak.
Some would have us think that there is a gulf between first picked and the depth and developing players. There is not, but we certainly have to “manage” the introduction of newbies.
Small medium defenders are in plentiful supply at present. We are certainly gearing for a changing of the guard.
Newman and Saad are the old heads still playing decent footy. Doc and Williams are proven defenders repurposed and probably unlikely to be used there much in the coming season.
Cowan stands alone as the flag bearer for the next generation, arguably established.
Ollie Hollands looked superb in his late season cameos and not impossible he becomes a defensive staple. His brother is also a candidate to play behind the ball if the forward line and midfield become too congested.
Boyd as a bloke capable of a lock down role and a very creative and bold kick (sometimes too bold)
Cincotta has become a Jack of all trades, expanding his game to be effective in multiple roles, but is surely half back first.
McGovern, Kemp and Haynes are third talls first who have the mobility and nous to be considered more as interceptors and rebounders.
For mine, the above are indisputably ready to slot in if and when they are needed.
Billy Wilson is arguably ready to, or soon will be ready considered for selection.
Then we have the draftees Charleson as a dedicated defender, young gun Smith may be considered for some development time down back, and the Camporeale boys both have traits making them feasible options behind the ball.
That is 17 player who may come in to consideration during the coming year, with a dozen of them having current credentials to step in if required. With the right combination, I don’t think any leave us notionally weaker in a general sense.
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I was viewing lock in the manner that it doesn't matter who else is available, they're getting a game: Cripps, H, Weiters, Walsh, Charlie etc but agree.
Lord may surpass him in time, he's got the traits & Smith needs to build his body so it wouldn't surprise if he's held back to some degree.
He starts at half forward playing the high half forward and plays big minutes in the middle or he starts on bench and is on at first interchange into the middle
I think George is better as a defensive mid then Cerra but hoping Cerra has a better year injury wise
E Hollands has to shift from a good year to a higher quality - danger of losing midfield minutes
Is “defensive mid” the new term for a player that “u” like but is slow, b grade & isn’t a great disposer of the ball?
Lays tackles, works hard but “defensive mid”
He doesn’t look to good defensively if theres a sort of break away from the opposition or they are moving the ball well in transition, 1 quick step and he’s toast.
It doesn’t help spread and movement, when he’s moving the ball backwards & has 1 and only 1 position to play - he’s not even a “gap” fill anywhere else
If u want defensive play Cinc as a tagger, its time to stop playing the same slow combo & expecting new results
I don't see Hewett or any of the others as a "defensive" mid. Makes no sense to me. ALL mids should defend, especially as a group. Then we may have a tagger. Hewett has done it at times and so have Cincotta
