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[BigFrizz36]

If Hewetts defensive mid role was deemed so integrel he wouldnt have been dropped or made sub several times this year.

I dont think our midfield set-up is so specific that we need a guy doing exactly what he does, as long as we have some mids that work hard defensively in general.

That said, I dont expect Jagga to start as a fulltime onballer. He'll get some minutes but hes a skinny kid. It'll be high half forward and/or wing for at least the first 8 rounds or so.

George was dropped because the match committee couldn't see a way to play both him and Matt Kennedy on ball in the same team.

It didn't take them too long to realise that they had pulled the wrong rein and George was back in the middle and Matt was re-purposed as a forward and then moved on.

 

[HarryFlashman]

No.

Why?
We get reduced output from our midfield when playing a tagger. George goes h2h & wins his own ball, which allows Cripps to play a more attacking role too - does it make him a lock? Nope.
Someone working the defensive side of stoppage is all the more important because TDK pushes out the attacking side too.

I'm unsure why "b-grader" has become a pejorative term too.

“B-Grade” is your back up, your break in case of emergency where effort & brute force can help negate the loss of a higher quality player by slowing the game up.

It’s not a 1st pick mid when you know that’s the players ceiling, especially when u have young talent to go to.

George is a great avg footballer but don’t pretend for a minute he doesn’t get carved up on the spread.
If he’s defensive side coverage we are screwed if the player is already moving - kinda like what happened when we got smashed in the clearances late last season

Crippa doesn’t need George to get the footy! That’s straight out ridiculous, he has a bloke hanging off him most times he goes near it.

He’s a vital cog to our chances moving forward & going deep this season - doesn’t mean we need him named in the team to do that.
Depth and support comes in a number of ways

 

[BlueJet]

“B-Grade” is your back up, your break in case of emergency where effort & brute force can help negate the loss of a higher quality player by slowing the game up.

It’s not a 1st pick mid when you know that’s the players ceiling, especially when u have young talent to go to.

George is a great avg footballer but don’t pretend for a minute he doesn’t get carved up on the spread.
If he’s defensive side coverage we are screwed if the player is already moving - kinda like what happened when we got smashed in the clearances late last season

Crippa doesn’t need George to get the footy! That’s straight out ridiculous, he has a bloke hanging off him most times he goes near it.

He’s a vital cog to our chances moving forward & going deep this season - doesn’t mean we need him named in the team to do that.
Depth and support comes in a number of ways

Since when? B-grade is usually used for a solid, dependable player, not a depth option. Moot point though given your suggestion was to play Cincotta there instead.

We've traditionally been screwed either way as, I've already noted because most, inclusive of our ruckman, run forward. We need greater defensive intensity around the ball rather than leaving it to 1 or 2.

I didn't say that Cripps needs him to get the footy. That you've taken that from what was actually said is indeed, ridiculous. I said he allows Cripps to play a more attacking role.. like Libba does for Bont.

 

[Cringle]

IMHO, right now Hewett is a lock, along with Cripps, Walsh, Cerra

Suspect Jagga is first cab off the rank and will be starting 22

The rest, are fighting for a spot to dislodge the above

Noooo but Lord looked really tan and ripped

 

[gbatman]

Our only locks in our onball group are Cripps, Walsh and Cerra. I think the rest will come down to structure. Like it or not, the game has moved past Hewett types. Not saying he has not place but there's a limit on how many of these types you can have in the side. My tip is that Lord, if his defensive work gets recognise will recket up the pecking order. I think there is a good chance he goes past Hewett. But for that to happen we need to get AFL games into him. Defensively and pressure wise he is already ahead.

 

[JuddgementDay]

Our only locks in our onball group are Cripps, Walsh and Cerra. I think the rest will come down to structure. Like it or not, the game has moved past Hewett types. Not saying he has not place but there's a limit on how many of these types you can have in the side. My tip is that Lord, if his defensive work gets recognise will recket up the pecking order. I think there is a good chance he goes past Hewett. But for that to happen we need to get AFL games into him. Defensively and pressure wise he is already ahead.

I see this as exciting for us to have a lot of depth to choose from

We have the core group but then there's a number of players that will fight for selection each week - it keeps everyone on their toes - including the opposition

 

[Cringle]

If Lord can get even tanner and even more ripped I’d almost have him as a Smokey for the Rising Star.

 

[BluStreak]

Based on my view of 2024 form, Cripps and Hewett are straight up starting CB mids.
Walsh and Cerra both have the talent in spades to be in CB but their injuries warrant outside mid roles not Centre bounce roles until proven otherwise.
That would leave a spot for a creative mid to deliver the ball out to them so that they can deliver focused passes to our forwards.

 

[BlueTongue]

With your Cerra analysis, is it about injury or do you think he just isnt that good? I feel it is only injury blocking him and that Cerra is a beast.

He was very good for Fremantle and played most of each season. Only under our high performance team did he fail physically.

Another aspect to Cerra is at Freo he was the attacking mid while at Carlton that went to Cripps/Walsh. There were a few weeks in the 2023 season where he got to go forward and was fantastic. If fit, I'd personally prefer him every time going inside 50 over both Cripps/Walsh.

I think that even without injury, he is a one trick Pony. His best position is on the ball, and when he is switched on and firing, he is very good. But he isn't consistently at that level. He needs to really step up and make himself indispensable.

 

[BlueTongue]

He is on the list to be delisted next year along with fantasia

So, even if he dominates this year and allows Weiters to be our playmaker/intercept, he's gone?

 

[BlueTongue]

Will be interesting which of these stay on the list, then we have possible trades

PlayerStatus
Adam CerraNFA
Adam SaadNFA
Alex CincottaNFA
Billy WilsonUNK
Brodie KempNFA
Cooper LordNFA
George HewettNFA
Harry CharlesonUNK
Harry LemmeyNFA
Jack SilvagniUFA
Jesse MotlopNFA
Mitch McGovernNFA
Nic NewmanNFA
Nick HaynesUFA
Orazio FantasiaUFA
Rob MonahanUNK
Sam DochertyUFA
Tom De KoningRFA

Geez that's gonna be a lot of work to retain them.

 

[bradfisher14]

Blind optimism that a young player should be in the side now is like rolling the dice

Nothing wrong with rotations, but it needs to be warranted rather than a preplanned strategy

Until a player proves themselves at afl level, their selection requires a leap of faith. Of course they need to perform their role to a high standard in the reserves to warrant taking that leap. But I think we need to be more willing to take calculated risks with selection to find out what we have in some players while also resting our stars when required.

 

[Arr0w]

People are talking about Lord like he has blistering speed compared to Hewett

 

[Worm4]

So, even if he dominates this year and allows Weiters to be our playmaker/intercept, he's gone?

Honestly, do you think Lewis Young will ever dominate ?
I actually expect Haynes to step in and do a better job

 

[Arr0w]

Until a player proves themselves at afl level, their selection requires a leap of faith. Of course they need to perform their role to a high standard in the reserves to warrant taking that leap. But I think we need to be more willing to take calculated risks with selection to find out what we have in some players while also resting our stars when required.

Successful clubs allow players to develop naturally and find consistency at the lower levels, perhaps that's the strategy we should embrace too

 

[bradfisher14]

Successful clubs allow players to develop naturally and find consistency at the lower levels, perhaps that's the strategy we should embrace too

I think we're on the same page tbh. Let the young player develop and find consistency, but don't be afraid to bring them in once they've earned it. I think our MC has been a bit gun-shy in the past.

 

[BlueTongue]

Honestly, do you think Lewis Young will ever dominate ?
I actually expect Haynes to step in and do a better job

Probably not but I thinks he's capable of becoming a very good defender who hard to beat.
Depends on how much he wants it.

 

[BigFrizz36]

I think that even without injury, he is a one trick Pony. His best position is on the ball, and when he is switched on and firing, he is very good. But he isn't consistently at that level. He needs to really step up and make himself indispensable.

Once again Adam Cerra was leading our best and fairest when he got injured late in the season last year and ended up finishing 4th with 167 votes (more than Cripps for example).

He gets a clear run with injury and I suspect you might have a different viewpoint.

 

[Arr0w]

I think we're on the same page tbh. Let the young player develop and find consistency, but don't be afraid to bring them in once they've earned it. I think our MC has been a bit gun-shy in the past.

No limits on any player

The likes of Charlie, Harry can find greater consistency

Young, Cottrell, Boyd, etc might find another level

Cerra, Hewett, Walsh stay healthy and have greater impact

The draftees might surpass last year's crop

No club will be anointing guys that have been in the system barely a year without producing greater output/consistency and or already being an exceptional talent

But, like previous years, we are already replacing the likes of Cerra, Newman, Hewett

Just like Williamson should replace Newman, Dow replacing any mid apart from Cripps, etc, etc

When it doesn't happen, the coach has no idea, our development is crap, we aren't fit, etc. Then a new preseason and every is great

It's a merry-go-round

 

[ianh]

I think we have a very strong list and I refuse to believe that we won't be a top 4 side

All we need is more luck with injuries, we've had our fair share of injuries - can we have some luck please!

From a list point of view, IMO we are light in two areas and weak in one area.
We are light on KPD and ruck, and therefore highly dependent on Weiters and TDK's availability.
We are weak in small fwds, but if we can get the ball in there often enough I'm sure between Motlop, Williams and Moir we'll have enough shots at goal

I'm using my best 23 as an example, sure we can differ in our views on best 23, but if you look at it objectively - apart from the areas I've highlighted above - we have a lot of depth everywhere else.

No lists are perfect - but, we have a pretty darn good one.
So finish top 4 is the aim this year - and then we'll contest for the 2025 premiership



For my best 23
I would like the younger guys to push for best 23 - we need their energy, enthusiasm & speed - mixed with our core group, we have a really potent side.

There are question marks all over these young guys, but we need to give them an opportunity to shine.
Bring on 2025 already!


B: Docherty Silvagni McGovern
HB: OHollands Weitering Saad
C: Acres Cripps Lord
HF: Elijah McKay Williams
F: Moir Curnow Motlop
Foll: TDK Cerra Walsh
Int: Newman Kemp Hewett Wilson Smith


Decisions:

• Cowan vs Wilson - I went with Wilson, I think his speed will really help us
• Boyd vs Newman - I love Boyd, but as I have enough young players I need some more wiser heads
• Durdin vs Motlop - I went with Motlop and hoping for a big year from him. Our forward line needs more potency i.e. every player of being able to kick multiple goals in any given week
• Haynes vs JSOS - I went for more flexibility with having both JSOS and Kemp in the side
• Fogarty vs Lord - I hope we've gone pass Fogarty

Would love Wilson to force his way in, he has real pace, but whilst he showed a bit late last year I don't think he is close to best 22 without a big improvement over the offseason - which he is young and promising enough to possibly do.
I like you go Newman over Boyd despite really rating Boyd, but I would squeeze Boyd in to the sub's vest - great versatility for that role.
I have left both Durdin and Motlop out. Both have shown glimpses of having it but untimely injuries have intervened.
I have Haynes in my side, despite being on the wrong side of the age demographic. Class and experience, cool head and I just think Weiters will have trust in him.
JSOS hasn't really shown his defensive chops, let him trial it over summer and in the 2s if need be, if he shows the Dad/Uncle Alex genes prevail he will certainly press for a spot and his versatility, willingness, team-first ethos and determination will win him plenty of games when some injuries hit, and maybe even before then.
Fogarty vs Lord is an interesting one. Fogarty presents as a limited pedestrian small forward, but somehow we look much better when he is up there. Lord likely more the future, more mid than forward whereas I see Fogarty as predominantly a forward. Not sure I have them fighting for the same spot.

Final comment, don't bank on Smith starting on the pine too much or spending too much time there generally. He's first 18 from day 1 in my book.

 

[Benaly28]

IMHO, right now Hewett is a lock, along with Cripps, Walsh, Cerra

Suspect Jagga is first cab off the rank and will be starting 22

The rest, are fighting for a spot to dislodge the above

Logic prevails.

Love your work Bowen.


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[blueboy25]

Successful clubs allow players to develop naturally and find consistency at the lower levels, perhaps that's the strategy we should embrace too

Our problem over the last few years is injuries have depleted our senior side which means our VFL side becomes very weak and doesn't allow our younger players a good chance to take their time and develop at a lower level.

 

[RPCB]

In summary - Don’t hire anyone from Collingwood or Hawthorn ever again.

Graham Wright is fine. He hates Collingwood.

 

[marcmurphy3]

Whilst I agree with earning ones spot I dont think it has to be in the VFL. Spots can be earnt over preseason. Easy to overlook because we arent watching but will count for alot more then what happened at the end of last year when we select round 1.

 

[Arr0w]

Our problem over the last few years is injuries have depleted our senior side which means our VFL side becomes very weak and doesn't allow our younger players a good chance to take their time and develop at a lower level.

Completely agree, and I have a feeling, that it changes next season after moving on the majority of our injury prone