List Mgmt. 2025 Trade/FA Thread

[Jen2310]

Problem with RFA’s now is that even clubs who finish high and didn’t have much to offer before can now dig further into their future picks, so clubs will demand more in return.

two 1sts will now end up as three

 

[Exambolor]

Ed Richards seems gettable especially as a free agent. And with several looming retirements at the Pies, a war chest will open up making it doable. Would be an excellent addition to our midfield. Be nice to see the great nephew of Lou Richards at the Pies. Make it happen Leppa!

Was a big fan of his move to the midfield for the Dogs this year, would be perfect for our side.

Would he stay at the Dogs and bide his time with Treloar and Libba nearing the end?

But never say never, no one thought we’d have a chance of getting Houston

 

[Apex36]

two 1sts will now end up as three

Unlikely. Having access to extra picks doesn’t devalue the ones clubs already hold. Even now, after a decade of future trading it’s still rare for clubs to trade two firsts for anyone other than the absolutely elite, and when they do there’s something coming back the other way more often than not.
2 firsts for Ed? Unlikely. He’s a good mid, but a significant downgrade in quality over the likes of Smith who’s also considerably younger, and the dogs traded him to Geelong for essentially pick 17. Smiths value was likely around the same as Ed’s because he was coming off an acl and had previous mental health issues.

In the event that Ed does want to leave the dogs and come to us, the dogs will likely have a choice to make. Is one of our future firsts going to be worth more than their FA compo? That will likely depend on their ladder position at the end of 2025. At the end of the day he’s a speedy low 20’s (avg) disposal mid. He suits our game style perfectly, but let’s not pretend he’s even close to a top 50 player in the comp.

 

[TradeDraft]

if houston was a standalone deal you can gurantee it would have been more. We had the lucky fates of doing a deal with two clubs.
But mids are generally worth more, so you'd be looking at 2 1sts

Also Lucky that after Petrecca Injury showing what a Mess the Dees are and Blues Choosing the Draft over Houston

Very True with Noble wanting to go to Suns and Richards to Port Aligned Perfectly for us

 

[TradeDraft]

Unlikely. Having access to extra picks doesn’t devalue the ones clubs already hold. Even now, after a decade of future trading it’s still rare for clubs to trade two firsts for anyone other than the absolutely elite, and when they do there’s something coming back the other way more often than not.
2 firsts for Ed? Unlikely. He’s a good mid, but a significant downgrade in quality over the likes of Smith who’s also considerably younger, and the dogs traded him to Geelong for essentially pick 17. Smiths value was likely around the same as Ed’s because he was coming off an acl and had previous mental health issues.

In the event that Ed does want to leave the dogs and come to us, the dogs will likely have a choice to make. Is one of our future firsts going to be worth more than their FA compo? That will likely depend on their ladder position at the end of 2025. At the end of the day he’s a speedy low 20’s (avg) disposal mid. He suits our game style perfectly, but let’s not pretend he’s even close to a top 50 player in the comp.

Don't have to Trade Picks we can Trade Player/s

 

[Apex36]

Don't have to Trade Picks we can Trade Player/s

Thanks Dave, but you missed the point, which is that Ed isn’t close to having the same sort of value as the top tier players who are worth two firsts, and that a compo pick could well satisfy the dogs.

 

[Jen2310]

Unlikely. Having access to extra picks doesn’t devalue the ones clubs already hold. Even now, after a decade of future trading it’s still rare for clubs to trade two firsts for anyone other than the absolutely elite, and when they do there’s something coming back the other way more often than not.
2 firsts for Ed? Unlikely. He’s a good mid, but a significant downgrade in quality over the likes of Smith who’s also considerably younger, and the dogs traded him to Geelong for essentially pick 17. Smiths value was likely around the same as Ed’s because he was coming off an acl and had previous mental health issues.

In the event that Ed does want to leave the dogs and come to us, the dogs will likely have a choice to make. Is one of our future firsts going to be worth more than their FA compo? That will likely depend on their ladder position at the end of 2025. At the end of the day he’s a speedy low 20’s (avg) disposal mid. He suits our game style perfectly, but let’s not pretend he’s even close to a top 50 player in the comp.

I do agree that Ed isn’t worth that. 1 Mid to late 1st you would think.
But I do wonder those that are worth two firsts, whether clubs would try to extract 3 1sts.

 

[Apex36]

I do agree that Ed isn’t worth that. 1 Mid to late 1st you would think.
But I do wonder those that are worth two firsts, whether clubs would try to extract 3 1sts.

Of course they’ll try, but it’s unlikely any club is coming to the table with 3 firsts unless it’s for a top 5 player in the league, and even then they’d be wanting something significant back.

 

[TradeDraft]

Of course they’ll try, but it’s unlikely any club is coming to the table with 3 firsts unless it’s for a top 5 player in the league, and even then they’d be wanting something significant back.

Houston tried to get 2 1st Rounders for Houston and that Failed

Yes you could say Luckcious Equals a 1st Round Pick

 

[sr36]

Unlikely. Having access to extra picks doesn’t devalue the ones clubs already hold. Even now, after a decade of future trading it’s still rare for clubs to trade two firsts for anyone other than the absolutely elite, and when they do there’s something coming back the other way more often than not.
2 firsts for Ed? Unlikely. He’s a good mid, but a significant downgrade in quality over the likes of Smith who’s also considerably younger, and the dogs traded him to Geelong for essentially pick 17. Smiths value was likely around the same as Ed’s because he was coming off an acl and had previous mental health issues.

In the event that Ed does want to leave the dogs and come to us, the dogs will likely have a choice to make. Is one of our future firsts going to be worth more than their FA compo? That will likely depend on their ladder position at the end of 2025. At the end of the day he’s a speedy low 20’s (avg) disposal mid. He suits our game style perfectly, but let’s not pretend he’s even close to a top 50 player in the comp.

Hard to guess at his value by the end of next year - it depends a heap on how well he plays next year. Some of his footy this year was top shelf, but he doesn't yet have enough top shelf footy under his belt yet, but I'd back him to go well past Smith's recent value by the end of next year.

 

[Mollythedolly]

You’d have to think that the Dogs would match an offer for Richards, though. What would he cost in a trade?

I think their salary cap will limit their capacity to match without losing someone else. Already need to find the room to re-sign the Bont, Darcy, Libba and Treloar (assume our handouts will end as well) among others.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

I think their salary cap will limit their capacity to match without losing someone else. Already need to find the room to re-sign the Bont, Darcy, Libba and Treloar (assume our handouts will end as well) among others.

Treloar will be 32 by the start of the season next year. Even with him having a career best year in 2024, he isn't going to be factoring into the Dogs' salary cap concerns.

Remove him, add Jamarra.

 

[Dtennent94]

Imagine Nick and Ed Richards streaming down the G handballing to each other.

Who the heck could possibly run them down?

 

[Mollythedolly]

Treloar will be 32 by the start of the season next year. Even with him having a career best year in 2024, he isn't going to be factoring into the Dogs' salary cap concerns.

Remove him, add Jamarra.

JUH is already contracted till 2026. Treloar will need to be fully funded by the Doggies going forward afaik. Won’t be a huge contract and likely only 1-2 years, but it’s still extra cash they need to find in their TPP.

 

[sr36]

JUH is already contracted till 2026. Treloar will need to be fully funded by the Doggies going forward afaik. Won’t be a huge contract and likely only 1-2 years, but it’s still extra cash they need to find in their TPP.

I'd be betting on JUH being traded pretty soon. Darcy will get an enormous contract, Naughton is on a very big really long term contract. They can't spend that much on kpf without being unbalanced.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

I'd be betting on JUH being traded pretty soon. Darcy will get an enormous contract, Naughton is on a very big really long term contract. They can't spend that much on kpf without being unbalanced.

English is on big coin. But they lost Smith, McCrae and Daniels who were on big coin. I personally think it is hard to judge how tight their cap is because they lost a lot of players on big coin.

 

[manicpie]

English is on big coin. But they lost Smith, McCrae and Daniels who were on big coin. I personally think it is hard to judge how tight their cap is because they lost a lot of players on big coin.

I reckon their biggest problem is having 3 KF's in the one team. It hasn't worked and they'll need to either move one to defence or lose one. They have quite a few players on big coin and will have to give Richards a big pay rise if they're going to keep him.

 

[sr36]

English is on big coin. But they lost Smith, McCrae and Daniels who were on big coin. I personally think it is hard to judge how tight their cap is because they lost a lot of players on big coin.

I've got no idea how tight their cap is, but with English, Naughton, Darcy and JUH on big money, I think they'll be spending an unhealthy percentage of their cap on ruck and KPF, which means they have to spend less than other clubs on the other roles. Basically, they'll be spending significantly less on ground ball and ball movement than other clubs - I wouldn't want us to be doing that with the way the game has gone

 

[Exambolor]

I reckon their biggest problem is having 3 KF's in the one team. It hasn't worked and they'll need to either move one to defence or lose one. They have quite a few players on big coin and will have to give Richards a big pay rise if they're going to keep him.

Giving Naughton 8 years on big money
was just mind boggling…..

Jamarra imo is the better of the two and they may lose him

 

[manicpie]

Giving Naughton 8 years on big money
was just mind boggling…..

Jamarra imo is the better of the two and they may lose him

A crazy contract for Naughton. Especially when their best key forwards are the other two. ATM they can't fully utilise JUH because his best position would be to basically give him the square and space. They would be better off with another small forward or two to capitalize on the balls hitting the ground but they can't do that with 3 talls getting in each others way.

 

[Mollythedolly]

I'd be betting on JUH being traded pretty soon. Darcy will get an enormous contract, Naughton is on a very big really long term contract. They can't spend that much on kpf without being unbalanced.

He’d be the caliber of player they’d need to loose to find the $$’s for Darcy and retain Richards. Question is, does he request a trade or will he be pushed. He’d be within his rights to force them to honour the contract but you’d imagine he’d earn a lot more at another club in 2026 than seeing out his final year at the Doggies.

 

[Robroy22]

Imagine Nick and Ed Richards streaming down the G handballing to each other.

Who the heck could possibly run them down?

Mc Creery could

 

[Fat Jesus]

Mc Creery could

Nick to evasive for most.

 

[loki04]

Nick to evasive for most.

Yeah it's Nicks diagonal movements that tend to break most chasers.

Nick is quick but not as quick as some others, however his timing for speed changes and direction changes is next level elite. This is where he often burns them off.

 

[loki04]

Giving Naughton 8 years on big money
was just mind boggling…..

Jamarra imo is the better of the two and they may lose him

He hasn't performed better then Naughton has to date.
Naughtons 4th season 2021 is better then Jamarahs 4th year 2024.
And Naughton didn't have the support then that Darcy and JUH have in large thanks to Naughton.

And Naughton is a pack buster, Jamarah is different in his approach.