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be interesting to see which players coaches were considering.

These are the ones I was considering over the last 100 or so picks. Most others weren't on my radar.

Zac Bailey
Paul Hasleby
Mitch Georgeades
Luke Davies-Uniacke
Clive Waterhouse
Jarred Harbrow
Angus Monfries
Dan Houston
Connor Idun
 
Carlton selects Josh Jenkins.

MarcMaverick
 

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Our team will be rotation-heavy. This is now an option we have if three especially dangerous tall forwards are posing an issue (that Stewart as third man up doesn't solve):

FB: N.Malceski J.Frawley J.Sicily
HB: T.Stewart M.Pavlich H.Lumumba

C: A.Embley S.Goodwin D.Hannebery
FOL: - J.Selwood L.Davies-Uniacke

HF: B.Deledio J.Hogan B.Harvey
FF: C.Cameron J.Schulz C.Wingard

IC: T.Miller J.Harbrow - -

Likewise with Schulz/Hogan as the KPFs it would allow Pavlich to be the Bontempelli-like big bodied midfielder for 5-10 minutes.

If the balance instead leans towards dangerous opposition smalls, then Harbrow is in the back pocket wearing the main one like a glove - releasing Stewart into midfield in the role he has played over the past 7 weeks (still sitting behind the ball as a spare quite often, or sweeping the back of stoppages).
 
Our team will be rotation-heavy. This is now an option we have if three especially dangerous tall forwards are posing an issue (that Stewart as third man up doesn't solve):

FB: N.Malceski J.Frawley J.Sicily
HB: T.Stewart M.Pavlich H.Lumumba

C: A.Embley S.Goodwin D.Hannebery
FOL: - J.Selwood L.Davies-Uniacke

HF: B.Deledio J.Hogan B.Harvey
FF: C.Cameron J.Schulz C.Wingard

IC: T.Miller J.Harbrow - -

Likewise with Schulz/Hogan as the KPFs it would allow Pavlich to be the Bontempelli-like big bodied midfielder for 5-10 minutes.

If the balance instead leans towards dangerous opposition smalls, then Harbrow is in the back pocket wearing the main one like a glove - releasing Stewart into midfield in the role he has played over the past 7 weeks (still sitting behind the ball as a spare quite often, or sweeping the back of stoppages).
Imagine taking a generational key forward and playing him at CHB.
 
If it needs to be done, it needs to be done. You need circuit breaker options if someone is getting off the chain. He's AA quality there just like he is in midfield. My team flexibility covers all options.
I think you need another Harbrow or at least someone full time at half back with that dash. Just my opinion.

I think Manninghorse, Fremantle and Carlton would give you nightmares with their small forward setups.
 
I actually picked him slightly more for the second ruck role when Witts is on the bench but you are right that a 200cm forward would go well with Lloyd and JUH who, while not short are both a bit shorter.
He's a very handy player in a good side. That's why I still think Jared Brennan is a late pick worth going for.
 
I think you need another Harbrow or at least someone full time at half back with that dash. Just my opinion.

I think Manninghorse, Fremantle and Carlton would give you nightmares with their small forward setups.
You've never seen a team with all elite interceptors though. Also, how many sides do you see with 3 actual lockdown small specialists? We're living in the days of team defence and zones.

Stewart, Malceski and Lumumba are lightning speed. They're not lumbering talls. Vlastuin plays small as easily as tall. You can just as easily argue: how do 3 small forwards contain their rebounding ability? Only a few picked have been elite in the pressure department.

Hannebery and Embley meanwhile are incredibly hard runners to push back and help out when it hits the deck.
 
You've never seen a team with all elite interceptors though.

Stewart, Malceski and Lumumba are lightning speed. They're not lumbering talls.

Hannebery and Embley meanwhile are incredibly hard runners to push back and help out when it hits the deck.
I'm thinking holistically and wonder how it would stack up against a small forward lineup like RUNVS Carlton

I've also noticed you have a bull inside midfield. I have a more skilled and classy midfield, but yours is tough. Simmo and Goody are similar, Embley and Sloane are similar. Wines is my inside bull. It would be interesting to see how the two teams would stack up. Both great midfields but contrasting in styles.

I think too that your game style depends on the team you field. I do think it will struggle against Betts and Milne.

Mine will possibly struggle against Redmonds team because he's got a very tall forward line.
 
I'm thinking holistically and wonder how it would stack up against a small forward lineup like RUNVS Carlton

I've also noticed you have a bull inside midfield. I have a more skilled and classy midfield, but yours is tough. Simmo and Goody are similar, Embley and Sloane are similar. Wines is my inside bull. It would be interesting to see how the two teams would stack up. Both great midfields but contrasting in styles.

I think too that your game style depends on the team you field. I do think it will struggle against Betts and Milne.
Sure, then apply that to every side. I'm really struggling to spot the ones with 3 specialist lockdown small defenders. My general defenders have no weakness when it comes to 1v1 battles or mobility. So I'm struggling to see what you're trying to pick at.

Likewise your midfield analysis seems off. Goodwin was all class. Boomer, Deledio, Wingard who rotate in there likewise. All have a far greater skill level than Serong. Miller has some of the best hands in the league; he makes Rowell look like a butcher. Selwood's skill level was underrated, he was skilled with ball in hand and a superb kick inside 50. Embley a better user than Sloane. LDU is a burst player who hurts you more with drive than finesse. Hannebery you can accuse of lacking polish.
 

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Sure, then apply that to every side. I'm really struggling to spot the ones with 3 specialist lockdown small defenders. My general defenders have no weakness when it comes to 1v1 battles or mobility. So I'm struggling to see what you're trying to pick at.

Likewise your midfield analysis seems off. Goodwin was all class. Boomer, Deledio who rotate in there likewise. Miller has some of the best hands in the league. Selwood's skill level was underrated, he was a very good ball user. Embley a better user than Sloane. LDU is a burst player rather than an inside bull. Of the lot of them, you can accuse Hannebery of lacking polish.

I deliberately worked hard getting the best two tall forwards I could get, best ruck, best small forward and then went for the best current mids. I think I got a solid late pick in Sloane, and Birchall is on point but I paid the price because my key tall defenders are B+ I think that might be my weakness, and that's understandable. I'm clearly playing a more mobile defence.

Being realistic it's not an easy exercise to compare teams for a number of reasons.
 
I deliberately worked hard getting the best two tall forwards I could get, best ruck, best small forward and then went for the best current mids. I think I got a solid late pick in Sloane, and Birchall is on point but I paid the price because my key tall defenders are B+ I think that might be my weakness, and that's understandable. I'm clearly playing a more mobile defence.

Being realistic it's not an easy exercise to compare teams for a number of reasons.
That doesn't really address anything I said about my team. Fair enough to pick at things, but they should be backed by substance.

Isn't Hurn your main "lockdown small"? Scanning your side I think they'd have more trouble containing a fleet of smalls than mine.
 
That doesn't really address anything I said about my team. Fair enough to pick at things, but they should be backed by substance.
IIRC, you do have a really good team. These are all players I had on my list and could have justified picking them
And Sicily

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I deliberately worked hard getting the best two tall forwards I could get, best ruck, best small forward and then went for the best current mids. I think I got a solid late pick in Sloane, and Birchall is on point but I paid the price because my key tall defenders are B+ I think that might be my weakness, and that's understandable. I'm clearly playing a more mobile defence.

Being realistic it's not an easy exercise to compare teams for a number of reasons.

I went straight for the small forwards as realistically there were 3 top small forwards of the era in Milne, Betts and Rioli with a drop off to Papley and Cameron so I figured getting two of the best 3 in the same side would provide a real challenge for a lot of clubs as I don't think there are many best 22's equipped to handle both.

I also prioritised half backs with excellent skills as I think that is so important in the modern era. I waited for my tall defenders as I was hopeful some really good ones would slip through a little later, and I think that happened as I think Sam Taylor and Ted Richards, while not at the Rance/Scarlett level, are both quality KPD's who can take on any key forward a team has and beat them.
 
I went straight for the small forwards as realistically there were 3 top small forwards of the era in Milne, Betts and Rioli with a drop off to Papley and Cameron so I figured getting two of the best 3 in the same side would provide a real challenge for a lot of clubs as I don't think there are many best 22's equipped to handle both.

I also prioritised half backs with excellent skills as I think that is so important in the modern era. I waited for my tall defenders as I was hopeful some really good ones would slip through a little later, and I think that happened as I think Sam Taylor and Ted Richards, while not at the Rance/Scarlett level, are both quality KPD's who can take on any key forward a team has and beat them.
was a great strategy. I think everyone who did this though had some deficiency somewhere. Others that had more balanced teams had less super elite players but more balance. Good defenders there.

I feel like Shaw would have been slightly better than Hurn. I brought in Connor Idun as that dedicated 3rd man up, and would have chosen him over Houston because I didn't want to have 3 active Port players.

These teams are all ****ing good. Imagine fielding one of them.
 
I deliberately worked hard getting the best two tall forwards I could get, best ruck, best small forward and then went for the best current mids. I think I got a solid late pick in Sloane, and Birchall is on point but I paid the price because my key tall defenders are B+ I think that might be my weakness, and that's understandable. I'm clearly playing a more mobile defence.

Being realistic it's not an easy exercise to compare teams for a number of reasons.
Out of interest though, which are the:

-Worst 5 teams capable of locking down opposition smalls
-Best 5 teams capable of locking down opposition smalls

From the lists so far.

It only works if you can actually contrast and compare.
 
was a great strategy. I think everyone who did this though had some deficiency somewhere. Others that had more balanced teams had less super elite players but more balance. Good defenders there.

I feel like Shaw would have been slightly better than Hurn. I brought in Connor Idun as that dedicated 3rd man up, and would have chosen him over Houston because I didn't want to have 3 active Port players.

These teams are all ****ing good. Imagine fielding one of them.

Heath Shaw was a great player, very underrated and I must admit I seriously considered drafting his brother as Rhyce, at least at the Swans was really good. I remember back in the day the combined Malceski, Kennelly, Mattner and Shaw won the Swans more games than most people would think, and Shaw especially loved to run with the ball opening up the play.

I am also surprised Zac Williams has not been taken. As a mid he is okay, nothing great, but okay, but as a half back he was pretty elite.
 
Out of interest though, which are the:

-Worst 5 teams capable of locking down opposition smalls
-Best 5 teams capable of locking down opposition smalls

It only works if you can actually contrast and compare.
I haven't gone through in depth. There are so many variables as each team will play to their strengths. Addionally if you're coming up against a taller defence, you're going to play a different game.
 
was a great strategy. I think everyone who did this though had some deficiency somewhere. Others that had more balanced teams had less super elite players but more balance. Good defenders there.

I feel like Shaw would have been slightly better than Hurn. I brought in Connor Idun as that dedicated 3rd man up, and would have chosen him over Houston because I didn't want to have 3 active Port players.

These teams are all ****ing good. Imagine fielding one of them.
Technically your starting defence has 4 tall defenders. Idun looks out of place at half back.
 
I haven't gone through in depth. There are so many variables as each team will play to their strengths. Addionally if you're coming up against a taller defence, you're going to play a different game.
That's why I didn't want to either:

-overload on tall defenders
-overload on small defenders

You need a few defenders who can sort of operate as both on the flanks/in the pockets, around that 187cm height but extremely mobile and agile when the ball hits the deck. Elite general defenders who excel at intercepting and rebounding are like gold dust. In a "perfect" team, you'd be loaded with them. If you have 3 short people and 3 giants designed at nullifying, you have less options.
 
Technically your starting defence has 4 tall defenders. Idun looks out of place at half back.
My thoughts are that Hooker takes the best forward, Johnson takes the tall forward. Idun third man up. Hurn is a blend of small defender and takes kick ins. Howe is kind of like Leo Barry who is going to be another option for defending. Birchall is the drive forward and I still have one more guy to bring in to work with Birchall. My wingers are also key drivers going forward with Heeney and Sloane.

My defence was neglected early to work hard on other areas. Idun has been a very solid defender for GWS and is why I chose him.
 

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