Player Watch #29: Will Phillips - tags N.Daicos vs Collingwood - subbed off at 3/4 time??

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I guess we'll see.
there's a good chunk of posters that absolutely will never see because they are blind
I’m intrigued as to how long people here think it will take Will Phillips to reach peak fitness?
When does the glandular fever excuse expire? Does it ever expire?

For me, 2024 is make or break for him.

He has struggled to hold his spot in a side playing like a half eaten pastie. Alarm bells have to be ringing. Or is it too easy/comforting to say “I’m not worried. He’ll be right”???
case in point "glandular fever excuse" just... my god...
 
Indeed.

He will get fitter. He will get stronger. He will not develop the bunch of dangerous traits he needs to play midfield in North teams moving forward. IMO.
well, we disagree on one point then
 

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there's a good chunk of posters that absolutely will never see because they are blind

case in point "glandular fever excuse" just... my god...
Its crazy. Old mate of mine when we were at uni together, we also played footy together had glandular fever (the only person I know that had it) and **** me dead, knocked him out of paid country footy and he deferred 2 years of uni because of it. He was ****ed from it. He would attend senior matches and I swear it looked like he hadnt slept for weeks, to be honest he looked like a chemo patient. He was ****ed for a good 18 months.
 
Indeed.

He will get fitter. He will get stronger. He will not develop the bunch of dangerous traits he needs to play midfield in North teams moving forward. IMO.
Still think Lachie Neale like is the high mark he can get to, in terms of his game.

There's been a number of games, especially in his first few where he was one of the few who found a chest delivering the ball inside 50 instead of slamming it on the boot. Vision and game sense seems to be his skill.

Yet, until he delivers at a high level on a weekly basis it's just where he might get to.
 
Im like a broken record here, but im seriously concerned now.

I'm absolutely positive that Clarko does not rate him. He needs the mother of all pre seasons, and he needs to play the last two games of the year.

Clarko clearly rates the first year players in front of him, and the question now needs to be, will he fall behind Sanders in the pecking order, presuming he is coming on board??
 
Im like a broken record here, but im seriously concerned now.

I'm absolutely positive that Clarko does not rate him. He needs the mother of all pre seasons, and he needs to play the last two games of the year.

Clarko clearly rates the first year players in front of him, and the question now needs to be, will he fall behind Sanders in the pecking order, presuming he is coming on board??
wasn't it clarko that said something along the lines of "I'm still stalking you" when they shook hands on his first day?
 
Dropped him 3 times this season. Not including not being in the 22 in round 1.

Draft was a long long time ago.
yea i wonder if there's any other possible factors that could be considered here...

nah must hate him
 
Dropped him 3 times this season. Not including not being in the 22 in round 1.

Draft was a long long time ago.
He’s the senior coach for a reason.
He knows what he’s doing. Assuming you trust that Clarko has a plan? There would be reasons why he’s been a bit in & out.

Now, if you were saying he ‘doesn’t rate’ Kal Dawson, I would agree.
 
He’s the senior coach for a reason.
He knows what he’s doing. Assuming you trust that Clarko has a plan? There would be reasons why he’s been a bit in & out.

Now, if you were saying he ‘doesn’t rate’ Kal Dawson, I would agree.

I trust that Clarko has a plan, absolutely.

I also trust that he knows talent. At the moment, he isnt picking Phillips, and there is obviously significant concerns about his future in Clarkos side.
 

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I trust that Clarko has a plan, absolutely.

I also trust that he knows talent. At the moment, he isnt picking Phillips, and there is obviously significant concerns about his future in Clarkos side.
Clarko has known Phillips for years, at a guess, he is way harsher on him then other because he knows how high his celling is..
I think it’s more of a tough love thing.

Early on both Clarko and Viney stated that was their goal to find out where each players celling is.
 
Clarko has known Phillips for years, at a guess, he is way harsher on him then other because he knows how high his celling is..
I think it’s more of a tough love thing.

Early on both Clarko and Viney stated that was their goal to find out where each players celling is.

Im sorry but theres just no way this can be a factor.
 
We know for absolute fact (not conjecture, fact) that on at least one of these occasions when WilPhil was sent back to the VFL, it was with specific goals in mind. He had a particular facet of his game that the coaches wanted him to work on. In his first game in that sequence at VFL level, he won game high possessions and people on here lost their minds when he wasn't brought straight back in. It was because he hadn't achieved the specific targets that he was set. In that instance, it was not necessarily to win possessions, but to stick tackles and rack up the 1%ers when he was having a low possession day. This is specifically what he had been told he needed to be able to do at AFL level - because there are always days when a midfielder like WilPhil isn't getting a ton of the ball. Of course, it's easier for an under developed body like WilPhil to achieve that in the VFL than to learn on the job against players much stronger than him. Now, of course, in the VFL, he could have sat just off the contest and tackled all day but that would have been a false positive. He needed to bide his time and when it was appropriate to take possession of the ball, he would do that, and on the other hand, if the moment called for him to tackle, do that. So in his second game in the VFL, he met those kpi's and was elevated back to AFL the next week. His first game back was the one where he proved to be a tackling beast. The plan worked!!!

Sometimes we have to check our own opinions about things and stop wandering into conspiracy theory territory, and just accept that the likes of Clarko, Ratts, Vodd and our other coaches might just know a little bit more about football and footballers and how to get the best out of them than we do.
 
Dropped him 3 times this season. Not including not being in the 22 in round 1.

Draft was a long long time ago.
Was on a modified program all pre-season so that's why he wasn't included Round 1. While he's still building his fitness base and can't spread we can only accomodate one of him, Greenwood or Cunners. Draft was 3 years ago which isn't "a long long time" unless you're counting in dog years.
 
Was on a modified program all pre-season so that's why he wasn't included Round 1. While he's still building his fitness base and can't spread we can only accomodate one of him, Greenwood or Cunners. Draft was 3 years ago which isn't "a long long time" unless you're counting in dog years.

He was the sub, came on early.
 
Im like a broken record here, but im seriously concerned now.

I'm absolutely positive that Clarko does not rate him. He needs the mother of all pre seasons, and he needs to play the last two games of the year.

Clarko clearly rates the first year players in front of him, and the question now needs to be, will he fall behind Sanders in the pecking order, presuming he is coming on board??

We judge him harshly.

He's lacking a bit of urgency at the moment, purely because I don't think he's completely comfortable yet.

In terms of advanced stat keepers, he's our 5th best player this season, top 3 of his draft and and in like the top 20 u/22 players in the comp

He does a lot right with and without the ball that is being ignored by most.

Almost 20 touches per game with 44% of those contested, 4 clearances and 4 tackles is good going for a 21 year old.

I agree some of his moments haven't looked great, but this isn't a Powell situation where he's struggling to get it 12 touches a game. He has the footy IQ.

I'm also not going to judge him for being dropped for a Ben Cunnington brought in for his final game.
 
Was on a modified program all pre-season so that's why he wasn't included Round 1. While he's still building his fitness base and can't spread we can only accomodate one of him, Greenwood or Cunners. Draft was 3 years ago which isn't "a long long time" unless you're counting in dog years.
21 years ago!
 
Should try and shed some kilos in the pre season IMO. I think his body shape has changed a bit since his draft year.

It's not his game to be a sort of in and under player at the bottom of a pack.

His unique game is more contest to contest presence always keeping his feet moving at a high baseline pace, spitting out handballs, bouncing off blokes and laying shepherds. That's his game.
 
Should try and shed some kilos in the pre season IMO. I think his body shape has changed a bit since his draft year.

It's not his game to be a sort of in and under player at the bottom of a pack.

His unique game is more contest to contest presence always keeping his feet moving at a high baseline pace, spitting out handballs, bouncing off blokes and laying shepherds. That's his game.
Agree. Not his game to be a bull under the packs, more like a terrier nipping around them and just constantly motoring. Very neat disposal.
 
Powell is probably a good comparison and another player from the same draft who isn't setting the world on fire.

Powell was in Adelaide though so not affected by ole mate Dan nor glandular fever (I know he has had injury challenges) so there's an argument that he's actually even further back in improvement.

Plenty from that draft are still growing into their AFL impact but none have had to deal with two years of the Noble era. Let's see what both Powell and Philips look like after a full preseason under a proper coaching team.

Powell has also been left out of the centre square while Will almost plays exclusively in there. That is a huge advantage for Will in getting a spot in the 24 22 ahead of Powell.
 
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