Player Watch #32: Toby Pink - has been delisted, with the commitment to re-select him in the Rookie Draft

[The Nostradamus]

He is essentially our replacement for Josh Walker. Or to go back a bit further, Luke Delaney. He didn't look out of place to me, but I can't argue that he lacks elite traits.

I think he'll serve as a good depth option while we wait for the younger Dawson to develop. With a fully fit side he'd be playing in the VFL behind Logue, K. Dawson, and Corr. Chances are that Comben overtakes him soon as well. That said there's a spot on an AFL list for him.

He should be vfl at all times

Unless 3 of the 4 you mentioned are injured

Comben and biggie I don’t care which one but either have more upside and we should be pumping games into over pink

 

[Only Forwards]

I didn’t rate Walker or Magoo but both look like triple brownlow medalists in comparison.

Will ask the masses to name me one elite football trait that Toby has. Elite being yeah you belong at this level. He’s not overly tall and has the dexterity of a B-double.

Is that what we got him for?

to be elite?

I thought we got him for coverage. To be a stop gap measure.

He is a long shot but he was also absolutely the best option to take. He was the best performed KPD at the lower levels. We got him for nothing and we got pick 3 in return.

I mean we got pick 3 because of the scarcity of KPDs on the market.

Setting the bar at elite for this bloke is an almost deliberate shit take. Writing him off in the game day thread after 5 minutes of play completely is.

If one of Dawson/Biggy/Pink make it as anything more than average it is a win. we paid f*** all for all of them.

if in a couple of years we have a starting KPD line up of Griff, Dawson, and one of those three who have developed into a decent footballer, taking the punt on Pink will have been worth it.

Especially when the kid that we could get by getting Pink almost kicked 3 goals on debut.

 

[Liam Boy]

I didn’t rate Walker or Magoo but both look like triple brownlow medalists in comparison.

Will ask the masses to name me one elite football trait that Toby has. Elite being yeah you belong at this level. He’s not overly tall and has the dexterity of a B-double.

I think you and I both will need to see him for more than the 2 hours against a premiership calibre side that we've seen so far before we can answer that question either way.

 

[King Corey]

I honestly can't see the issue with Toby at this stage. He does everything in his ability to compete which is what a defender is supposed to do. I thought he was reasonable too.

He was in AFL game 1, the GWS mids as discussed ran unimpeded (when George couldn't catch them) and I think you're underrating Hogan if you think being outpointed by him is a disgrace.

 

[The Nostradamus]

I honestly can't see the issue with Toby at this stage. He does everything in his ability to compete which is what a defender is supposed to do. I thought he was reasonable too.

He was in AFL game 1, the GWS mids as discussed ran unimpeded (when George couldn't catch them) and I think you're underrating Hogan if you think being outpointed by him is a disgrace.

It was Riccardi in the first quarter who got a hold of pink early then moved to hogan who also got a hold of him

He is Josh walker 2.0 in that he tries but he’s just a limited player and isn’t at the level

 

[apollo_creed]

It was Riccardi in the first quarter who got a hold of pink early then moved to hogan who also got a hold of him

He is Josh walker 2.0 in that he tries but he’s just a limited player and isn’t at the level

I am undecided on Pink as it's too early after one game to form anything resembling a definitive opinion.
A few pages back I tried to exercise a degree of caution to overreacting to pre-season form (positive viewpoints) and the same applies to negative opinions. It's just far too early.

But your post you should absolutely copy and paste (the second line) in other evaluations. As you can't apply this here and not in other instances.

 

[Devington]

If he's Josh Walker 2.0 then **** yeah, that's a great stopgap KPD.

Walker had serious issues, but also serious talents, and when he/we played to his limitations he was quite effective.

 

[Mixed Results]

He should be vfl at all times

Unless 3 of the 4 you mentioned are injured

Comben and biggie I don’t care which one but either have more upside and we should be pumping games into over pink

I'd guess that the club agrees with you on Comben, but with his injury history I think they'll be patient with bringing him into the side.

 

[Joshen]

I thought Pink was decent. As Flawed Genius said the quality of GWS supply had their forwards at advantage pretty much every time. Our 1990s defenders got brutalised on their day, it happens.

As an aside Coniglio is something else. Breaks tackles, runs at pace yet hits razor sharp passes.

Worth remembering that he was dropped a few years back, while he was captain if I recall correctly.

Sometimes patience is a virtue.

 

[Liam Boy]

If he's Josh Walker 2.0 then * yeah, that's a great stopgap KPD.

Walker had serious issues, but also serious talents, and when he/we played to his limitations he was quite effective.

We haven't seen him intercept mark to Walker's level, but I also think he doesn't seem to have Walker's patented "take a mark, seemingly forget who you are and what you're doing for the next 10 seconds as you look around and try desperately to get your bearings, then bomb it down the line after the opposition has completely set up" technique.

 

[Hojuman]

We haven't seen him intercept mark to Walker's level, but I also think he doesn't seem to have Walker's patented "take a mark, seemingly forget who you are and what you're doing for the next 10 seconds as you look around and try desperately to get your bearings, then bomb it down the line after the opposition has completely set up" technique.

Was in town one day and walked behind Josh. Was 42dg C at the time and he was wearing R.M.moleskins & R.M. boots with a long sleeve shirt.
Lost all confidence of him getting anything right on the footy field after that.

 

[Liam Boy]

Was in town one day and walked behind Josh. Was 42dg C at the time and he was wearing R.M.moleskins & R.M. boots with a long sleeve shirt.
Lost all confidence of him getting anything right on the footy field after that.

Frankly I'm surprised he never showed up to one of our games in a Brisbane jumper.

 

[Zondor]

If he's Josh Walker 2.0 then * yeah, that's a great stopgap KPD.

Walker had serious issues, but also serious talents, and when he/we played to his limitations he was quite effective.

I’d rather Josh Walker 1.0 thank you very much. :stern look

 

[Only Forwards]

I’d rather Josh Walker 1.0 thank you very much. :stern look

We'd probably play him forward......

 

[King Corey]

Was in town one day and walked behind Josh. Was 42dg C at the time and he was wearing R.M.moleskins & R.M. boots with a long sleeve shirt.
Lost all confidence of him getting anything right on the footy field after that.

There are some oddballs around. Peak Melbourne heat, wearing padded winter coats. Wtf.

 

[Devington]

I’d rather Josh Walker 1.0 thank you very much. :stern look

Same, but according to theZiebull all we have is 2.0

 

[Hojuman]

Kids played 1 game, one.
Overwhelmed ? Probably.
Under pressure ? Definitely
Better for the experience ? Hopefully.

Willing to cut him some slack. Had 40+ kicked on him by rd.7 ? O.K. He's maybe a bust. No-one knocking the door down to replace him. Comben ? ( see T.Garner ) Biggy ? ( crikey, imagine the flak he'll cop if 2MP kicks 3 )

Let's get around him Saturday and cheer every spoil, every mark, every defensive effort. And if you're gunna bag him make sure no life-long North supporting Pink family members around you. Might have some explaining to do

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

He’s 25.

He’s not an 18 year old first year KPD.

You expect if he’s to play he doesn’t have Jake ****ing Riccardi take him to the cleaners.

 

[Zondor]

He’s 25.

He’s not an 18 year old first year KPD.

You expect if he’s to play he doesn’t have Jake ******* Riccardi take him to the cleaners.

Yep. Sadly the reason Pink is on our list in the first place is because of some very ordinary List Management. Simply put he and Biggie are recruitment scrambles to cover for the loss of McKay and the long term injury to Logue. Remind me who is charge of List Management at the minute? :stern look

 

[the big lebowski]

It was Riccardi in the first quarter who got a hold of pink early then moved to hogan who also got a hold of him

He is Josh walker 2.0 in that he tries but he’s just a limited player and isn’t at the level

18:19 left on the clock, Callaghan streaming into 50 kicks to Riccardi in the lead, Dawson makes ground to get fist in

17:50 Whitfield streams through centre kicks to hogan on lead with pink trailing behind. Hogan kicks to one on one with Riccardo and Dawson, Dawson spoils again.

16:47 giants steam through centre again, tsunami like, pink has front position on Riccardi and kick gets over him, Riccardi marks and goals

12:13 slower inside 50, to Cadman on lead in pocket, pink spoils comfortably

11:05 Congo streams through centre, kicks long to hogan vs Dawson, Dawson gets punch, pink vs Cadman come in pink wins ground ball handballs to
Fisher who clears

9:45 Riccardi marks a one step torp infront of pink. Took foot spot and got lucky. He misses

7:34 Riccardi marks over the back long kick, Dawson closet man, kicks his second

3:36 heaps of space again, Riccardi marks Goater is closest, pink is on Cadman. Riccardi kicks his 3rd

2:09 hogan out marks corr one on one

Point being we are playing a zone defence. So to say pink is at fault for Riccardi is factually wrong.

It’s the same as last year.

It will take time for a first gamer, and a 6th gamer to get the hang of it.

It is also very difficult when giants players run through the centre and kick inside 50 where there is heaps of space and they are unpressured

 

[the big lebowski]

2nd qrt

17:15 Cadman marks in lead infront of corr - goals

16:08 hogan out marks pink 60 out, kicks long to Cadman on fisher who marks and goals

9:13 pink spoils Riccardi

9:02 pink panics and blocks hogan off ball - free kick goal

6:43 Himmel erg streams through centre, kicks long to pink v Riccardo one on one, pink beats him from front position

3:21 hogan kicks a play on advantage goal opposed to Dawson

1:13 hogan out marks pink and Dawson, passes to Bedford

 

[the big lebowski]

3rd qrt

19:20 hogan kicks 3rd on Corr

18:20 pink great spoil on Riccardi

16:57 hogan outMarks pink with advantage from kick over the top in goal square - kicks 4th

3:06 hogan takes mini speecy over pink who took front position and gets beaten with yet another kick to advantage- hogan passes

0:32 hogan gets free against Goater, Dawson was nearby not sure what happened, break down of zone maybe? Johan kicks his 5th

 

[the big lebowski]

14:06 hogan beats Corr on lead and gets 50 for his 6th

8:26 Dawson one out on hogan, leads to pocket and Goater blocks him off the ball for a free - misses

 

[AnEmptyChair]

Lol nah this thread crazy. He was utterly dreadful. If McKay put that in last year he would have been rightly pelted

For one, he offers nothing ball in hand but most concerning was his positioning. Say what you will about the supply, he was constantly in no man's land. At least Dawson, by comparison, put himself in position where he could affect the contest. Pink didn't. Although I have some sympathy in coming up a very good Jesse Hogan

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Jesse Hogan

Age

29

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.0

4star

K

9.3

4star

HB

5.7

4star

M

6.4

5star

T

1.4

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

10.3

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.3

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

0.0

1star

G

0.0

1star

D

13.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

6.4

5star

T

1.4

4star

G

1.8

5star

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That's not to say he can't improve btw. And if they show faith in him and play him this week then fair enough. That's reward for a good pre season and he'll have a better time of it against Treacy compared to hogan. But to pretend he was anything other than calamitous in this one game is nonsense or rose-tinted glasses because he's from your sanfl side I guess

 

[The Nostradamus]

Lol nah this thread crazy. He was utterly dreadful. If McKay put that in last year he would have been rightly pelted

For one, he offers nothing ball in hand but most concerning was his positioning. Say what you will about the supply, he was constantly in no man's land. At least Dawson, by comparison, put himself in position where he could affect the contest. Pink didn't. Although I have some sympathy in coming up a very good Jesse Hogan first up

That's not to say he can't improve btw. And if they show faith in him and play him this week then fair enough. That's reward for a good pre season and he'll have a better time of it against Treacy compared to hogan. But to pretend he was anything other than calamitous in this one game is nonsense or rose-tinted glasses because he's from your sanfl side I guess

He’s a mature age list clogger plain and simple

He’ll be off our list at years end back playing sanfl