Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 9 - The Shi'ites Hit The Fan (Cont. in Part 10, see OP)
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Have you managed to come up with an explanation for your hypocrisy yet?
You support Boris Johnson, who illegally suspended parliament, but complain about others being "undemocratic".
Do you concede you are a hypocrite?
Chairman Adam Shiff rewriting transcript in his own words.
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Honestly, Schiff rewriting the call tells you everything you need to know. If a single word of it was evidence of anything illegal, he’d quote it.
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Honestly, Schiff rewriting the call tells you everything you need to know. If a single word of it was evidence of anything illegal, he’d quote it.
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But the "transcript" released by the WH was itself an approximation.
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Honestly, Schiff rewriting the call tells you everything you need to know. If a single word of it was evidence of anything illegal, he’d quote it. https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1177211952344510465 …
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Rep. Schiff re-writes the call transcript for added drama: "I’m going to say this only seven times, so you better listen good, I want you to make up dirt on my political opponent, understand, lots of it, on this and on that, I’m going to put you in touch with people" pic.twitter.com/1rV7BpEN6o
They buried the actual record.
Why would they do that if the call was so utterly benign?
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Where is the information on withholding the money? That was claimed and unlike Biden admitting to withholding 1 billion there is no mention of 391 million being held from Ukraine for that reason.
quid pro quo isn't listed anywhere. Not 1 bit of proof.
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What you don't understand and keep ignoring is that the DOJ approved everything as above board 2 months ago. So you bringing up something the white house released yesterday is irrelevant.
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The WH's conduct is irrelevant? No. That's a non-starter.
As for the DOJ, it has been co-opted into the Trump arse-covering operation, as reflected by its unwillingness to allow to the whistle-blower complaint deemed "urgent and credible" by the IG to be presented to congress. It is overseen by an AG who was himself implicated in Trump's law-breaking.
Why did the administration conceal the record of the call? If it was all "above board", why conceal it?
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Quid pro quo isn't the threshold. Mere solicitation is illegal.
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So I mention facts and you throw in MSM hearsay with no proof. Just regurgitated rhetoric.
I'm going to buy you some straws to grasp.
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In the preceding sentence, Zelensky says they are ready to buy more javelins. Then trump says "I would like you to do us a favour though" and look into crowdstrike.
Quid pro quo means something for something; a favor for a favor. ie. I'll sell you the javelins if you look into crowdstrike. I was just pointing out how ex federal prosecutor chris christie said if trump was asking for a favour, then that would be bad. A few hours later the transcript gets released showing he did.
You can send all your evidence about Biden to Christie and see what he thinks.
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I do a lot for you. I don't know that I see reciprocity.
How's this Biden thing? Sounds horrible. The DoJ will be in touch.
Cohen: "Trump speaks in code but leaves you in no doubt about what he wants."
Read the Trump-Ukraine whistleblower complaint
Congress released the unclassified report Thursday morning.
The whistleblower report lists 4 issues:
1. The phone call itself
2. The lock-down of the official transcript
3. Ongoing concerns:
- US Special Rep for Ukraine meeting to dicuss "navigating" Trump's demands. WAIT, WHAT? DEMANDS?
- Also - Cohen seems to be wrong. People seem really ****ing confused here with official and unofficial demands being made.
- Direct follow-up by Trump's personal lawyerwith Zelensky's advisers and head of Security Service among others.
- Do you think he used his personal lawyer so it would become privileged communication, an excuse Giulliani has already used, when using official channels would mean anything might become public?
4. Circumstances leading up to the phone call.
You can read all of these yourself, including public statements and the position of the various Ukrainians, but this is interesting:
And then the appendix which is where the sensitive stuff was placed.
Read the Trump-Ukraine whistleblower complaint
Congress released the unclassified report Thursday morning.
Based on less evidence than this Trumpies gave us the utterly insane Pizzagate, not to mention the deranged Birtherism conspiracy.
Based on this report and surrounding publicly available evidence Trumpies give us "nothing to see here!"
Why won't they release the official transcript?
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So asking someone to look into the Crowdstrike is illegal...sure.
Democrats actually doing what they're accusing Trump of:
All fine except none of it explains why Biden's son was considered to have the experience and credibility to be one of the appointees to the board?
Can you explain that?
If not, his main qualification must have been his father being Obama's point man on Ukraine?
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The solicitation that is problematic is the request to "look into" Joe Biden.
It’s amazing there are Trumpanzees defending this. (Actually, it’s not really, is it?)
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Let's say for argument's sake certain doors opened more readily for Hunter Biden due to his father's connections.
If we're issuing indictments for garden variety nepotism, we're going to be here a while.
Meanwhile, Trump considered Ivanka for positions at the UN and World Bank. Because she's "good with numbers".
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Way to pick the most obscene example (pizzagate) to further your argument. A known troll that was circulated by 4chan and taken seriously by the same people that think the 'ok' hand sign is used by white supremacistsI do a lot for you. I don't know that I see reciprocity.
How's this Biden thing? Sounds horrible. The DoJ will be in touch.
Cohen: "Trump speaks in code but leaves you in no doubt about what he wants."
Read the Trump-Ukraine whistleblower complaint
Congress released the unclassified report Thursday morning.www.politico.com
The whistleblower report lists 4 issues:
1. The phone call itself
2. The lock-down of the official transcript
3. Ongoing concerns:
- US Special Rep for Ukraine meeting to dicuss "navigating" Trump's demands. WAIT, WHAT? DEMANDS?
- Direct follow-up by Trump's personal lawyer with Zelensky's advisers and head of Security Service among others.
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4. Circumstances leading up to the phone call.
You can read all of these yourself, including public statements and the position of the various Ukrainians, but this is interesting:
View attachment 754127
Read the Trump-Ukraine whistleblower complaint
Congress released the unclassified report Thursday morning.
Based on less evidence than this Trumpies gave us the utterly insane Pizzagate, not to mention the deranged Birtherism conspiracy.
Based on this report and surrounding publicly available evidence Trumpies give us "nothing to see here!"
Why won't they release the official transcript?
Why not go with the Clinton email scandal? Or was that not credible either? That's what this centres around. Crowdstrike, deleted emails. 2016. Trump trying to get to the bottom of it all. Get Clinton behind bars where she belongs.
But I'm sure you're willing to look past that...
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Out of all that of course you pick Pizzagate and #whatabouthillaryWay to pick the most obscene example (pizzagate) to further your argument. A known troll that was circulated by 4chan and taken seriously by the same people that think the 'ok' hand sign is used by white supremacists
Why not go with the Clinton email scandal? Or was that not credible either? That's what this centres around. Crowdstrike, deleted emails. 2016. Trump trying to get to the bottom of it all. Get Clinton behind bars where she belongs.
But I'm sure you're willing to look past that...
Why did you leave out the deranged Birther conspiracy - a fire that Trump himself fanned?
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I'm explaining why your argument doesn't stack up.
Why did the administration suppress the record of the call to the Ukrainian president?
You think the expression "grasping at straws" refers to plastic drinking straws?
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Unelected activist judges are part of the UK's power elite at war with the will of the people and using every dirty trick under the sun to ensure the referendum outcome is not implemented. Don't forget Labour desperately trying to avoid a general election they know would be a landslide loss. Don't forget the majority voted for Brexit.
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Aren't all judges "unelected"? Maybe we should do away with them entirely?
What is Labour's obligation for there to be another election, two years after the last one? How often is an election mandated? Pretty sure it's not every two years.
Now that your weak sauce deflection has been slapped down, let's address your rank hypocrisy.
You support Boris Johnson, who illegally suspended parliament, but complain about others being "undemocratic".
Do you concede you are a hypocrite?
Answer the question.
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This is the sort of thing that will get you thread banned.
Contribute to the discussion please. Asinine comments like this spammed over and over add nothing to the conversation.
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