Play Nice 46th President of the United States: Joe Biden 2: Incidit in scyllam cupiens vitare charybdim

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CM86 said:
https://apnews.com/article/social-s...vice-workers-5673001497090043e786ade8a8d0fdb4

President Joe Biden on Sunday plans to sign into law a measure that boosts Social Security payments for current and former public employees, affecting nearly 3 million people who receive pensions from their time as teachers, firefighters, police officers and in other public service jobs.​
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The Congressional Research Service estimated that in December 2023, there were 745,679 people, about 1% of all Social Security beneficiaries, who had their benefits reduced by the Government Pension Offset. About 2.1 million people, or about 3% of all beneficiaries, were affected by the Windfall Elimination Provision.​
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“Now firefighters who get paid very little can now afford to actually retire,” Kelly said.​

Just another genuinely good thing the Biden administration has done during their time in office, that will never get the recognition it deserves.


Hate on Biden all you want. But his presidency will be looked back on as one of the best in modern American history.
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Retirement fund for firefighters + Geoncide = Best president ever
 

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CM86 said:
https://apnews.com/article/social-s...vice-workers-5673001497090043e786ade8a8d0fdb4

President Joe Biden on Sunday plans to sign into law a measure that boosts Social Security payments for current and former public employees, affecting nearly 3 million people who receive pensions from their time as teachers, firefighters, police officers and in other public service jobs.​
​
The Congressional Research Service estimated that in December 2023, there were 745,679 people, about 1% of all Social Security beneficiaries, who had their benefits reduced by the Government Pension Offset. About 2.1 million people, or about 3% of all beneficiaries, were affected by the Windfall Elimination Provision.​
​
“Now firefighters who get paid very little can now afford to actually retire,” Kelly said.​

Just another genuinely good thing the Biden administration has done during their time in office, that will never get the recognition it deserves.


Hate on Biden all you want. But his presidency will be looked back on as one of the best in modern American history.
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CM86 said:
Just another genuinely good thing the Biden administration has done during their time in office, that will never get the recognition it deserves.


Hate on Biden all you want. But his presidency will be looked back on as one of the best in modern American history.
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Yeah they seem to differ from others in that workers got a few more of the crumbs from the table of the oligarchs.
 
CM86 said:
https://apnews.com/article/social-s...vice-workers-5673001497090043e786ade8a8d0fdb4

President Joe Biden on Sunday plans to sign into law a measure that boosts Social Security payments for current and former public employees, affecting nearly 3 million people who receive pensions from their time as teachers, firefighters, police officers and in other public service jobs.​
​
The Congressional Research Service estimated that in December 2023, there were 745,679 people, about 1% of all Social Security beneficiaries, who had their benefits reduced by the Government Pension Offset. About 2.1 million people, or about 3% of all beneficiaries, were affected by the Windfall Elimination Provision.​
​
“Now firefighters who get paid very little can now afford to actually retire,” Kelly said.​

Just another genuinely good thing the Biden administration has done during their time in office, that will never get the recognition it deserves.


Hate on Biden all you want. But his presidency will be looked back on as one of the best in modern American history.
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Isn't this essentially bipartisan legislation (it passed the Senate 76-20 and the House 327-75) that came from Congress rather than being anything the White House pushed for? I'm happy to be proven wrong - and hey, Biden didn't veto it so that's obviously good - but I don't know if it's a big part in crediting his as one of the best presidencies in modern American history.

Which...I mean, depends on how modern "modern American history" is. Biden facilitated a genocide, offered a limp response to an extremist recalcitrant Supreme Court and oversaw the dismantling of America's first welfare state (set up temporarily in response to Covid, and while Trump made sure to establish most of it as temporary, Biden did little to stop its dismantle). A core part of his presidential campaign in 2020 was his expertise in foreign affairs, only to find himself dealing with the most turbulent global period since at least Bush. And his absolute core part of the campaign, to kill off Trumpism and reestablish normality, was obviously an utter failure.

Not all of this is his fault, but then as Herbert Hoover just happened to be the guy there when Wall Street crashed and James Buchanan was the guy there when the status quo on slavery became untenable, I don't think history will be overly forgiving. Much like Hoover and Buchanan, I think we're in a period of presidents who'll be basically forgotten footnotes (aside an atrocity here and an atrocity there), and sadly unlike them I'm not seeing the transformative leader who'll adapt to their times coming up on the horizon. If anything, the closest an opportunity we've had for that since the 1940s was five years ago, but that was strangled in its infancy (twice) by Democratic party heavyweights. Maybe that's what Biden will be most remembered for.
 
spinynorman said:
Isn't this essentially bipartisan legislation (it passed the Senate 76-20 and the House 327-75) that came from Congress rather than being anything the White House pushed for? I'm happy to be proven wrong - and hey, Biden didn't veto it so that's obviously good - but I don't know if it's a big part in crediting his as one of the best presidencies in modern American history.

Which...I mean, depends on how modern "modern American history" is. Biden facilitated a genocide, offered a limp response to an extremist recalcitrant Supreme Court and oversaw the dismantling of America's first welfare state (set up temporarily in response to Covid, and while Trump made sure to establish most of it as temporary, Biden did little to stop its dismantle). A core part of his presidential campaign in 2020 was his expertise in foreign affairs, only to find himself dealing with the most turbulent global period since at least Bush. And his absolute core part of the campaign, to kill off Trumpism and reestablish normality, was obviously an utter failure.

Not all of this is his fault, but then as Herbert Hoover just happened to be the guy there when Wall Street crashed and James Buchanan was the guy there when the status quo on slavery became untenable, I don't think history will be overly forgiving. Much like Hoover and Buchanan, I think we're in a period of presidents who'll be basically forgotten footnotes (aside an atrocity here and an atrocity there), and sadly unlike them I'm not seeing the transformative leader who'll adapt to their times coming up on the horizon. If anything, the closest an opportunity we've had for that since the 1940s was five years ago, but that was strangled in its infancy (twice) by Democratic party heavyweights. Maybe that's what Biden will be most remembered for.
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Good point, the Biden administration had nothing to do with it. It was going to happen anyway.
Just lucky Biden didn't veto it, hey! 'Cos of his dementia.

I was pointing out it would never get the recognition it deserves. And you've pointed out I was right. 'The Biden admin had nothing to do with it'.

I'd kill for a IIJA in Australia. Considering the Democratic party is right wing, they've been doing more for their country than our 'left wing' ALP have been doing here.

The Biden administration, much like Gillard, Swan even Rudd admin etc will eventually be looked back on in general for what they were. Not what we've been told to think they were.

Biden and Gillard are similar in what they were able to negotiate and pass in incredibly difficult circumstances.
What they did in not just getting their country and their people through global catastrophes, but improving parts as well, should actually be considered when discussing them.
Rather than just focusing on the negatives that we're told to focus on.


But Gillard was a failure because of her stance on SSM.
Biden is responsible for Russia invading Ukraine, and Israel's wholesale slaughter of Palestinians.


But Hillary and Biden are completely to blame for Sanders not becoming the US President in 2016, and 2020.
He would have easily won in a landslide victory, because that's what the USA would have voted for!
This is why we need to focus on attacking the more progressive parties in Europe, UK, USA and Aus. Because even though far right extremism is rapidly growing, and far right parties are gaining more and more power and influence... We need to make sure that everyone knows that we condemn 'our side' for not doing enough.

Anyone who suggests that the Biden administration did anything right, or progressive, is basically admitting they love Biden, and support genocide.
Nuance is a tool used by Zionists to control the media! blah blah blah.
 
CM86 said:
Good point, the Biden administration had nothing to do with it. It was going to happen anyway.
Just lucky Biden didn't veto it, hey! 'Cos of his dementia.

I was pointing out it would never get the recognition it deserves. And you've pointed out I was right. 'The Biden admin had nothing to do with it'.

I'd kill for a IIJA in Australia. Considering the Democratic party is right wing, they've been doing more for their country than our 'left wing' ALP have been doing here.

The Biden administration, much like Gillard, Swan even Rudd admin etc will eventually be looked back on in general for what they were. Not what we've been told to think they were.

Biden and Gillard are similar in what they were able to negotiate and pass in incredibly difficult circumstances.
What they did in not just getting their country and their people through global catastrophes, but improving parts as well, should actually be considered when discussing them.
Rather than just focusing on the negatives that we're told to focus on.


But Gillard was a failure because of her stance on SSM.
Biden is responsible for Russia invading Ukraine, and Israel's wholesale slaughter of Palestinians.


But Hillary and Biden are completely to blame for Sanders not becoming the US President in 2016, and 2020.
He would have easily won in a landslide victory, because that's what the USA would have voted for!
This is why we need to focus on attacking the more progressive parties in Europe, UK, USA and Aus. Because even though far right extremism is rapidly growing, and far right parties are gaining more and more power and influence... We need to make sure that everyone knows that we condemn 'our side' for not doing enough.

Anyone who suggests that the Biden administration did anything right, or progressive, is basically admitting they love Biden, and support genocide.
Nuance is a tool used by Zionists to control the media! blah blah blah.
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So many straw men here it’s hard to know where to begin.

I didn’t say the Biden administration didn’t do anything right (I’ve always stood by the withdrawal of Afghanistan, and Build Back Better, whatever my want for something more, was a positive), but I do think the hundreds of thousands of dead Palestinians overshadows all (just as the mass deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan tower over Bush’s legacy, though domestically he was a mess too, but would be why I would say he’s a worse president than Trump, for example).

Rudd/Gillard have a mixed legacy, but certainly are better than any of what’s followed (and I’d say the best government in my lifetime, which is slightly feint praise but nonetheless). I think the focus on Gillard’s passing a record number of bills puts quantity over quality and is a pretty technocratic way of judging governance, but the carbon tax, the stimulus and the NBN were all achievements.

People condemn Chamberlain aplenty for not doing enough to stop the spread of the far right despite not being a fascist himself. Milquetoast liberalism has been failing despite its dominance, and the far right is ascendant as the sole alternative to it. The lack of a radical left in Germany isn’t stopped the march of the AfD, but the organised radical left in France is at least giving something to people done with Macronism that isn’t Le Pen. Note also that Macron is choosing to placate her over the Left, even after the Left dropped out in parliamentary runoffs to back the centre against the far right. Note that the Starmerites undermined and then expelled the Corbynites.
 

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spinynorman said:
So many straw men here it’s hard to know where to begin.

I didn’t say the Biden administration didn’t do anything right (I’ve always stood by the withdrawal of Afghanistan, and Build Back Better, whatever my want for something more, was a positive), but I do think the hundreds of thousands of dead Palestinians overshadows all (just as the mass deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan tower over Bush’s legacy, though domestically he was a mess too, but would be why I would say he’s a worse president than Trump, for example).

Rudd/Gillard have a mixed legacy, but certainly are better than any of what’s followed (and I’d say the best government in my lifetime, which is slightly feint praise but nonetheless). I think the focus on Gillard’s passing a record number of bills puts quantity over quality and is a pretty technocratic way of judging governance, but the carbon tax, the stimulus and the NBN were all achievements.

People condemn Chamberlain aplenty for not doing enough to stop the spread of the far right despite not being a fascist himself. Milquetoast liberalism has been failing despite its dominance, and the far right is ascendant as the sole alternative to it. The lack of a radical left in Germany isn’t stopped the march of the AfD, but the organised radical left in France is at least giving something to people done with Macronism that isn’t Le Pen. Note also that Macron is choosing to placate her over the Left, even after the Left dropped out in parliamentary runoffs to back the centre against the far right. Note that the Starmerites undermined and then expelled the Corbynites.
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Of course.


Not in any order, who would you list as the top 5 US President's in the last 100 years?
 
spinynorman said:
Best by a long way is Roosevelt.

It’s a pretty long fall from there, but I think the rest of the top five would be the stretch of Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon.
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I dont mind your list but lets look at the criteria

WW2 , Korea, Cuba invasion , Vietnam, Vietnam

But apparently Joe is the war criminal
 
GreyCrow said:
I dont mind your list but lets look at the criteria

WW2 , Korea, Cuba invasion , Vietnam, Vietnam

But apparently Joe is the war criminal
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I don’t think World War II is the same as the rest listed. I guess Roosevelt’s luck is dying before the bombs were dropped and so avoids the legacy of that, if one assumes he would’ve done the same (I’m not sure). Certainly his replacing Wallace with Truman as his Vice President had calamitous effects for the rest of the century.

As for the rest - I think all those listed are to various degrees monsters - they all destroyed the biosphere, after all, but some are more or less sympathetic than others. To be fair to Eisenhower he pulled out of Korea shortly after becoming President, so I’m not sure that’s on him.

Roosevelt had a great vision and executed it competently. He made some errors (austerity after 1936, perhaps most disastrously) but the New Deal and then particularly the War means he had a positive effect on the globe, which is rare for an American President.

Eisenhower established the post-war period and with capitalism firmly in the 20th century ascendancy sought to govern from the centre (but with the contradiction of the Cold War his successors would struggle with). Kennedy saw the edge of global destruction and then attempted to pull back before being blasted. Johnson and Nixon are both fascinating individuals who were the first to reckon with the power of the presidency and its limitations, and perhaps the two truly dirt poor men who dragged themselves up to this position.

On the last fifty years, Bush Sr was a mid-20th century Republican who saw the Reagan Revolution and was willing to go along with it. I think that’s pretty much the story of everyone since then, hollow men with varying degrees of narcissism (aside Trump, I suppose, who did have an agenda, albeit one to enrich himself).

Nixon is obviously the most reviled of the Presidents of the second half of the 20th century, but he was looking at cementing American global power at the period of collapse of the post-war economic system. Yes, Vietnam and Cambodia are unforgivable, but that’s a significantly greater ambition (and, for a period, achievement) than what anyone attempted since. But every US President since the establishment of the ICJ in 1945 should’ve been sent to The Hague.
 
Todman said:
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First of all, your meme is lame. Secondly those words never came out of his mouth at all. Which makes the meme, well useless. All he did was sign a law that made products available “to all menstruating students in restrooms regularly used by students", as the wording of the law says. In other words, no restrictions on access. But you know how the Republicans are. Somehow make it some sort of BS trans issue. Walz has done way more for the common people in his state in a term, than Trump the billionaire suck off has his entire lifetime anywhere.

If you want a list of stupid, MTG, Bobert, Loomer, Gaetz, Lake, are all great elected or non elected members of the party that provide many quality memes on their own.
 
_Cerberus_ said:
First of all, your meme is lame. Secondly those words never came out of his mouth at all. Which makes the meme, well useless. All he did was sign a law that made products available “to all menstruating students in restrooms regularly used by students", as the wording of the law says. In other words, no restrictions on access. But you know how the Republicans are. Somehow make it some sort of BS trans issue. Walz has done way more for the common people in his state in a term, than Trump the billionaire suck off has his entire lifetime anywhere.

If you want a list of stupid, MTG, Bobert, Loomer, Gaetz, Lake, are all great elected or non elected members of the party that provide many quality memes on their own.
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Todman hasn't any female friends that would ask him to acquire such items in times of need.

As such he can't think of any scenarios where it may come in handy.
 

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