Play Nice 46th President of the United States: Joe Biden 2: Incidit in scyllam cupiens vitare charybdim

[CM86]

On the last fifty years, Bush Sr was a mid-20th century Republican who saw the Reagan Revolution and was willing to go along with it. I think that’s pretty much the story of everyone since then, hollow men with varying degrees of narcissism (aside Trump, I suppose, who did have an agenda, albeit one to enrich himself).

Nixon is obviously the most reviled of the Presidents of the second half of the 20th century, but he was looking at cementing American global power at the period of collapse of the post-war economic system. Yes, Vietnam and Cambodia are unforgivable, but that’s a significantly greater ambition (and, for a period, achievement) than what anyone attempted since. But every US President since the establishment of the ICJ in 1945 should’ve been sent to The Hague.

Of course, makes perfect sense.

You've clearly formed a position based on available information.
You definitely haven't formed a position and then gone back looking for snippets to support it.


It's amazing that Sanders could have fixed all of this and been the first US President since '45 that shouldn't have been sent to The Hague.
I know you didn't say it, but I assume Hillary should also have been sent to The Hague?


Biden is a monster, and arguably the worst outcome of the 2020 US election.
Cambodia is unforgivable, but at the same time Nixon did pull himself up by his bootstraps. Roger Stone is a reasonable person.
And we all know Johnson would have handled the last four years as US president in almost the opposite way to Biden.


Looking at Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden... there's so little separating them that it's impossible to say if one was better than the other.
But Biden's probably the worst, as he's the reason Sanders didn't win in 2020, and he facilitated the genocide in Gaza.


None of this is ahistorical.

 

[CM86]

Biden has done a lot of horrific things.
Ignoring the UN on several humanitarian issues, ranging from the border to Israel.
Needing the High Court to step in to prevent him from illegal actions towards asylum seekers.
Repeatedly funding and supporting Israel.
Allowing anti-war protestors to be treated in ways reminiscent of the 60s
Ignoring a basic plea from Zelenskyy before Russia invaded.
Doing almost nothing to decentivise Putin from invading Ukraine, only mild threats of action IF he does something. Even though it was just a matter of when.
Garland.
Pardoning his son.
Deportations.
Doing nothing on SCOTUS, from corruption to expansion.
Giving steroids to oil production while paying lip service to climate change.
Attempting bipartisanship with the Republican party.

The list goes on.

These are the things that are beyond just standard US President stuff.


It's ok though to say that the Biden administration arguably saved the US economy. And gave the US some credit again as a world power. And that the impacts of a US collapse, while cheered for, would have had devastating global impact.

 

[CM86]

You always find the best content creators, and share their stuff with us!
Your algorithm knowns you so well.

 

[spinynorman]

Of course, makes perfect sense.

You've clearly formed a position based on available information.
You definitely haven't formed a position and then gone back looking for snippets to support it.

You know that it’s possible that some people take information and don’t end up drawing the same conclusions as you? And that coming to different conclusions isn’t of itself an act of bad faith?

It's amazing that Sanders could have fixed all of this and been the first US President since '45 that shouldn't have been sent to The Hague.
I know you didn't say it, but I assume Hillary should also have been sent to The Hague?

He probably would’ve gone to The Hague. Again, you argue against things I don’t say. What I did say was that it’s the closest opportunity we’ve had to getting a transformative leader. He mightn’t have worked out, but he definitely threatened the status quo, which is why they did their best to deny him winning.

And yes, Hillary was Secretary of State, a group who would overwhelmingly be in the same boat as presidents.

Biden is a monster, and arguably the worst outcome of the 2020 US election.
Cambodia is unforgivable, but at the same time Nixon did pull himself up by his bootstraps. Roger Stone is a reasonable person.
And we all know Johnson would have handled the last four years as US president in almost the opposite way to Biden.

“The worst outcome of the 2020 US election”
“Roger Stone is a reasonable person”

You know, if you want to use my words against me, you shouldn’t have to throw in this shit.

If George Washington was in Biden’s position he’d be wondering why a black woman was his Vice President. No historical record will have Biden as a better president than Washington. You judge them for what they oversaw.

I was asked who were the five best presidents of the last century, not who I thought were good ones or who weren’t monsters.

The quality Johnson had that Biden could’ve done with was the ability to pull into line difficult Senators. I don’t think the Manchin and Sinema issues would have played out the same way with a more ambitious President willing to wield power to achieve great things.

Looking at Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden... there's so little separating them that it's impossible to say if one was better than the other.
But Biden's probably the worst, as he's the reason Sanders didn't win in 2020, and he facilitated the genocide in Gaza.


None of this is ahistorical.

Again making things up.

I’ve repeatedly said Bush was the worst President in my lifetime. Perhaps ever. i also differentiated Trump (for the worse) from the others in the post you’re taking from.

Anyway, I note your argument that Biden “arguably saved the US economy. And gave the US some credit again as a world power.” I’m not sure I agree but if you believe it then those are fair reasons to rate him well comparatively, though I would make the case that trying to return the US to the same material conditions that saw Trump got elected would likely cause that to happen again, which seems inherently flawed.

 

[spinynorman]

You always find the best content creators, and share their stuff with us!
Your algorithm knowns you so well.

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Have you seen the current state of Twitter under Elon Musk? Everyone gets content creators such as these pushed their way.

It’s an amusing video. I don’t endorse the other posts from the same poster, which you can tell because I didn’t post them.

 

[CM86]

Have you seen the current state of Twitter under Elon Musk? Everyone gets content creators such as these pushed their way.

It’s an amusing video. I don’t endorse the other posts from the same poster, which you can tell because I didn’t post them.

This isn't the first time you've shared content from hateful content creators.

What you don't seem to understand is that the reason you found it amusing, is the same reason that account and it's followers found it amusing.


The point is, you shouldn't promote, spread or share content from such hateful, divisive people.
You should avoid helping them grow at all costs.
You know the real world harm it does. And you know the impact it has.

 

[CM86]

You know that it’s possible that some people take information and don’t end up drawing the same conclusions as you? And that coming to different conclusions isn’t of itself an act of bad faith?

Yes.
I didn't say it was.

He probably would’ve gone to The Hague. Again, you argue against things I don’t say. What I did say was that it’s the closest opportunity we’ve had to getting a transformative leader. He mightn’t have worked out, but he definitely threatened the status quo, which is why they did their best to deny him winning.

So Sanders should only be sent to The Hague, if he were ever to have become President of the US.
That's the deciding factor.

That was my point. And it's why I'm trying to get you to address your cognitive dissonance on this.

“The worst outcome of the 2020 US election”
“Roger Stone is a reasonable person”

You know, if you want to use my words against me, you shouldn’t have to throw in this shit.

No problem. Please point out that you disagree with those statements.

You're aware of Nixon, and Stone. You've shared your position and reasoning for Nixon.
What was the best realistic outcome of the 2020 US election, in your opinion??

I was asked who were the five best presidents of the last century, not who I thought were good ones or who weren’t monsters.

Yeah, you took it upon yourself to bring up 'monsters'.

I think all those listed are to various degrees monsters

If George Washington was in Biden’s position he’d be wondering why a black woman was his Vice President. No historical record will have Biden as a better president than Washington. You judge them for what they oversaw.

This is exactly the point. You are referring to them in terms of what they were capable of in their respective time in Government.
But not Biden. Why?

The quality Johnson had that Biden could’ve done with was the ability to pull into line difficult Senators. I don’t think the Manchin and Sinema issues would have played out the same way with a more ambitious President willing to wield power to achieve great things.

Are you kidding?
Biden is leagues above Johnson in the ability to have worked with difficult members of Congress, and passing legislation, even to the point of making it bipartisan.

Johnson hid behind the Kennedys for most of the positive things he passed.

What more did you want from Biden? Executive orders that can be removed just as easily as made??

Again making things up.

I’ve repeatedly said Bush was the worst President in my lifetime. Perhaps ever. i also differentiated Trump (for the worse) from the others in the post you’re taking from.
me material conditions that saw Trump got elected would likely cause that to happen again, which seems inherently flawed.

Trump, is by far, the worst President in your lifetime.
You know this, because you point out that Biden not doing enough to prevent Trump being re-elected is one of his greatest flaws.

You shouldn't have any hesitation in stating that Trump is the most dangerous US president in recent history.

 

[CM86]

Anyway, I note your argument that Biden “arguably saved the US economy. And gave the US some credit again as a world power.” I’m not sure I agree but if you believe it then those are fair reasons to rate him well comparatively, though I would make the case that trying to return the US to the same material conditions that saw Trump got elected would likely cause that to happen again, which seems inherently flawed.

I appreciate this. Because it's been my point all along.

I realise now one of the biggest mistakes I made in the post one due to my own ignorance and poor education.
I confuse "modern" and "recent" history in terms of official references of time.
I use them more to mean within around a half century.

https://apnews.com/article/social-s...vice-workers-5673001497090043e786ade8a8d0fdb4

President Joe Biden on Sunday plans to sign into law a measure that boosts Social Security payments for current and former public employees, affecting nearly 3 million people who receive pensions from their time as teachers, firefighters, police officers and in other public service jobs.​

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The Congressional Research Service estimated that in December 2023, there were 745,679 people, about 1% of all Social Security beneficiaries, who had their benefits reduced by the Government Pension Offset. About 2.1 million people, or about 3% of all beneficiaries, were affected by the Windfall Elimination Provision.​

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“Now firefighters who get paid very little can now afford to actually retire,” Kelly said.​

Just another genuinely good thing the Biden administration has done during their time in office, that will never get the recognition it deserves.


Hate on Biden all you want. But his presidency will be looked back on as one of the best in modern American history.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Guess expectations are pretty low when it comes to Trump but surely there's some regard for the importance of the Office and to treat it with respect and dignity.
The social media posts about Canada joining the union are largely tongue in cheek but still unbecoming of the President who seems more interested in social media clicks than foreign policy.

 

[Todman]

 

[Gough]

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Finally someone that hates the same people you do.