Play Nice 47th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 20: Here we go again!

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USA - 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

Continued from Part 1 - https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2024-us-presidential-election-trump-vs-harris.1383317/

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USA - Kamala Harris Concedes. God Help America

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< - Trump 19 is back there.

 

[Partridge]

Totally agree, she did not lose because she is a woman, she lost because she was 2IC to Biden and a liberal and yet despite the advantages of being the VP no one knew what her policies were where she foolishly surrounded herself on stage with billionaires.

The voters know what Trump is and accept his faults because he is a businessman first where he may fix their economy and end the wars. Most Americans who do not live in California hate anyone from there and do not like woke bleeding heart liberals from the Bay area telling people what to do. Not to mention the woke forced school gender rubbish.

This part cannot be underestimated.

 

[Saint]

No he won't.

He won't do anything. Period. Trump has no vision. He has no ideas.

Trump will grift and golf and keep the base happy with empty platitudes.

Yeah, stuff all is actually going to change other than some targetted tariffs on Chinese manufacturing. At least EVs to pay back Musk, not sure what else, depends who pays him off best. And more conservative judges, but that's because of the Senate, not Trump.

He doesn't really need to do anything. Biden's a ghost and inflation came down and the economy rebounded for the upper class's benefit, the economy looks after itself, just don't stuff it up.

The biggest mistake Trump will make is that he'll cut taxes and explode the deficit again. Guaranteed. He likes to please everyone and what does he care about the deficit. The House will throw in a lot of spending cuts, mostly on infrastructure in cities probably (because they're all Democrat strongholds). But by the time the deficit explodes to the point of destruction, he'll be out of office, a Dem will get in, and they'll blame them.

GOP Congress loves to complain about deficits, but they're also the ones who expand the deficit the most.

 

[Saint]

Totally agree, she did not lose because she is a woman, she lost because she was 2IC to Biden and a liberal and yet despite the advantages of being the VP no one knew what her policies were where she foolishly surrounded herself on stage with billionaires.

The voters know what Trump is and accept his faults because he is a businessman first where he may fix their economy and end the wars. Most Americans who do not live in California hate anyone from there and do not like woke bleeding heart liberals from the Bay area telling people what to do. Not to mention the woke forced school gender rubbish.

This is the most important part. He won't fix the economy. If he does anything with the GOP House, it'll be exploding the deficit and then cutting spending on city-based projects. Many more will go into poverty and become the visual problem to be blamed, along with immigrants.

Poverty will explode. The irony is that Trump lost the rich voters, but he'll still pass tax cuts for rich voters at the expense of his base in rural lower classes.

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

People reckon Democrats lost because people can't afford rent and groceries now so how is that going to change?

 

[faible]

People reckon Democrats lost because people can't afford rent and groceries now so how is that going to change?

Tarrifs!

 

[bourbons]

She has nowhere near work ethic or resiliance of Trump.

Satire surely.

My 7 year old has a better work ethic than Trump.

 

[faible]

Satire surely.

My 7 year old has a better work ethic than Trump.

Apparently being born middle class to become the DA of SF, DA of California, Senator, and VP means she's got no work ethic.

Being gifted hundreds of millions from dad, means he's got work ethic.

 

[Jcpdragonx]

Satire surely.

My 7 year old has a better work ethic than Trump.

let me know when he becomes president twice, does 900 rallies, has 10+ year running tv show becomes a billionaire real estate investor

 

[10571z]

You've evaded the question completely. The was no wiping of planets in 1925.

And for the record, I've only ever watched CNN in foreign hotel rooms when there's no other English speaking channels.

It’s impressive how much you can dramatize someone running and being elect president.

The Reiche was born following extreme economic times post WW1. Comparing this to modern America is hilarious.

If we are playing that game the Democrats attempt to stop their political opponent in Trump with multiple frivolous court cases, assassination attempts and completely unhinged propaganda is more relatable.

 

[faible]

The Reiche was born following extreme economic times post WW1. Comparing this to modern America is hilarious.

Different times, similar sentiment. Extreme unrest with 'the system' and economic hardship. Let's see how it goes for them I guess. Hopefully Trump doesn't do much of what he said he wants to do. Be a dictator for a day. Go after political enemies. Replace public servants with loyalists. Mass deportations. Just a bit of a flirtation with fascism I guess when he says those things. Not to be taken seriously.

If we are playing that game the Democrats attempt to stop their political opponent in Trump with multiple frivolous court cases, assassination attempts and completely unhinged propaganda is more relatable.

This isn't true. Donald is simply a very prolific breaker of laws. Fortunately for him, it's a two-tier justice system and he won't be held to account.

Silvio Berlusconi - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

He's not that different to this guy really.

 

[Satan]

I call her terrible, her exit speech was the best one she ever made.

I cant blame her completely though, she was probably following a game plan that was completely flawed.

Came in at the 6th innings , always behind the 8 ball ,

Running out of cliches

 

[Saint]

People reckon Democrats lost because people can't afford rent and groceries now so how is that going to change?

They've been told it's by getting rid of immigrants and increasing tariffs (more manufacturing jobs).

In reality, tax cuts and spending cuts will make things harder, wages will decline, prices will increase (less labour, more expensive imports), poverty will increase. But this is all the GOP House has ever done. You can't find a GOP House which hasn't increased the deficit over their term. The only Presidents who reduced the deficit in the last 30 years were Clinton and Obama.

 

[bourbons]

let me know when he becomes president twice, does 900 rallies, has 10+ year running tv show becomes a billionaire real estate investor

I mean... I guess maybe he does if you call rocking up to speak for hours about how good you are and abuse the tech people when your mic shits itself "work".

Actual work with no TV cameras, not so much.

 

[Episode IV]

There's a lot of reasons why the Democrats lost the election and it will take years to go over them all but a lot of people here are also just repeating right wing talking points without any supporting evidence.

You mean, like talking in pictures and posting X shorts and memes? Insults, derision, uninformed one liners?
Lot of that going around. Now, if I were to take the time to actually do a comparison, in terms of who does what and how often...

Like, they were only targeting the wealthy (her actual policies included an increase in the minimum wage, increase in Medicare and improving access to Obamacare... incremental change, but then again, this is America).

There was actually debate (with Biden) in which the subject of minimum wage came up. Biden said $15 across the board, Trump was generally in favour of a rise but they needed to be careful of the impact upon small business in particular.
Do you need to be shown where, or is this just a talking point you've subscribed to?

Speaking of Obamacare, there was some discussion about it. They wanted to call the new version "Bidencare".
Just think, if it were Australia. "Hawkecare". "Whitlambank".

Or the Democrats were too involved in culture wars (can anyone point to a policy on pronouns or when Harris even mentioned trans people).

"Culture wars" isn't confined to alphabet issues.
I don't really think Harris would want to address those sorts of issues in isolation (I mean, why limit "Culture Wars" to alphabet issues and pronouns?) when the Democrats are generally the ones who put affirmative action measures in place to begin with. In a rather authoritarian manner, I might add.

It's got nothing to do with Harris mentioning anything or not. It's about democratic government historically putting measures in place and subsequently alienating groups of people they then desperately have to try to "win back".
Which they failed to do.

*edit - forgot to mention, there is already plenty of subject material available on the internet discussing a wide range of "affirmative action" policies. Some of it discusses the differences between State and Federal law and policy, and how much the Federal government in the USA actually has to legislate to State government policy, which is an interesting little side-study that Australians are not overly familiar with as our system works differently. States Rights is still a touchy subject in the USA, I'm not overly surprised that political argument steers clear of it. Witness the abortion debates, by way of example.

Pointing out Trump is misogynistic isn't identity politics (grab em by the pussy)

Misogyny is a strong term. The grab comment was more about the power of celebrity than anything else, and that is obvious if you read the full leaked discussion.
You can see the exact same mentality in many of our own AFL players. In Kennedy, in Clinton... it's not a "Trump " issue, specifically.

likewise pointing out that he is racist (immigrants are eating the dogs), it's just facts.

That comment was a stupid one, but it wasn't racist. I think you're using the word "fact" a little liberally there.

My favourite is she was a terrible candidate. Why? Because she was. There's rarely a reason attached, most people on here don't know her policies, just they have been told she's a terrible candidate.

How often have you seen a reason attached to anything at all, on here? How about "reason" in general?

The campaign obviously didn't work, there's a greater study needed into the cult-like devotion from the 'family values' party to a convicted felon who has cheated on his wives and paid off a pr0n star, as well as the role of the media in this.

Really? Of all the things in this election which give rise to concern, that's what you'd commission a study into?

I'd say there are plenty of studies concerning the "role of the media" (very general category there) and the effect it has on social issues, as well as political. As an issue in general, we're only at the beginning of study into long term affects, but what is becoming clear already is the propagation of bite-seized "talking points" across the board, and the saturation of uninformed opinion rapidly replacing an informed one.

So when presented with the results of all of this, your first thought is to commission another study or something? Into what, how to use this style of "debate" more effectively? Hell, I'd even argue that the Democrats are a little more effective than the Republicans in this regard.

But it'd be nice if people critiqued the Democrats on what they actually did and not what they have been told they did.

Plenty of people are. Maybe you missed it, with all those mere words being buried among the big pictures slamming you in the face.

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

They've been told it's by getting rid of immigrants and increasing tariffs (more manufacturing jobs).

In reality, tax cuts and spending cuts will make things harder, wages will decline, prices will increase (less labour, more expensive imports), poverty will increase. But this is all the GOP House has ever done. You can't find a GOP House which hasn't increased the deficit over their term. The only Presidents who reduced the deficit in the last 30 years were Clinton and Obama.

So people will still be doing it tough, how will that translate to another four years of a Republican president?

 

[JackOutback]

How often have you seen a reason attached to anything at all, on here? How about "reason" in general?

When it comes to Trump, people had plenty of reasons not to vote for him.

Convicted felon
Court found on balance of probabilities to have committed sexual assault
Tried to overthrow democratically held elections
Found to have defamed people
Six-time bankrupt
Twice impeached
A million people dead because of COVID
Friends with Jeffrey Epstein
Called migrants animals

That's a start. If you can find an equivalent list for Harris, I'll gladly wait.

 

[Satan]

When it comes to Trump, people had plenty of reasons not to vote for him.

Convicted felon
Court found on balance of probabilities to have committed sexual assault
Found to have defamed people
Six-time bankrupt
Twice impeached
A million people dead because of COVID

Cheats in Golf

 

[Satan]

When it comes to Trump, people had plenty of reasons not to vote for him.

Convicted felon
Court found on balance of probabilities to have committed sexual assault
Tried to overthrow democratically held elections
Found to have defamed people
Six-time bankrupt
Twice impeached
A million people dead because of COVID
Friends with Jeffrey Epstein
Called migrants animals

That's a start. If you can find an equivalent list for Harris, I'll gladly wait.

Laughs

 

[Episode IV]

When it comes to Trump, people had plenty of reasons not to vote for him.

Convicted felon
Court found on balance of probabilities to have committed sexual assault
Tried to overthrow democratically held elections
Found to have defamed people
Six-time bankrupt
Twice impeached
A million people dead because of COVID
Friends with Jeffrey Epstein
Called migrants animals

That's a start. If you can find an equivalent list for Harris, I'll gladly wait.

I've got no interest in doing so.
You've just continued to do the sort of thing which is partially to blame for the Democrat election loss.

I've said this more than once.
Donald Trump is not the cause. He's a symptom.

 

[Alfonz]

There's a lot of reasons why the Democrats lost the election and it will take years to go over them all but a lot of people here are also just repeating right wing talking points without any supporting evidence. Like, they were only targeting the wealthy (her actual policies included an increase in the minimum wage, increase in Medicare and improving access to Obamacare... incremental change, but then again, this is America). Or the Democrats were too involved in culture wars (can anyone point to a policy on pronouns or when Harris even mentioned trans people). Pointing out Trump is misogynistic isn't identity politics (grab em by the pussy) likewise pointing out that he is racist (immigrants are eating the dogs), it's just facts.

My favourite is she was a terrible candidate. Why? Because she was. There's rarely a reason attached, most people on here don't know her policies, just they have been told she's a terrible candidate.

The campaign obviously didn't work, there's a greater study needed into the cult-like devotion from the 'family values' party to a convicted felon who has cheated on his wives and paid off a pr0n star, as well as the role of the media in this. But it'd be nice if people critiqued the Democrats on what they actually did and not what they have been told they did.

You can't actually be serious on the terrible candidate part?

1. She did OK in the first debate, but after that she was a poor speaker who couldn't give proper answers to questions and rambled on incoherently. Yes, Trump does this as well, but see point 2 below.

2. She has no charisma. Unfortunately, having a big personality and stage presence is as important as anything. Trump is an idiot and full of lies ... but he is a first rate used car salesman and con man. Even when Trump was rambling off tangent, he was embracing it and talking up his own "weave" as if it was some kind of brilliant tactic. He energises the MAGA followers. Harris was robotic and uninspiring. She doesn't energise anyone.

3. Because of the 2 points above, she avoided popular podcasts and appearances. Limiting her reach greatly in a world where social media is unfortunately how many people consume their news.

4. It was very clear that many people in the country were not happy with how the country was going. Harris represented the status quo. One of the pivotal moments that sank the campaign was when she was asked "what would you do differently?" about her time as VP. And she basically said "nothing". Atrocious response. That's not what people wanted to hear.

Blame the Democrats for not having a better option and/or installing her as the candidate (and doing it too late). But that doesn't change the fact she was a terrible option.

 

[troybe]

New presidential portrait going into all government locations and public facilities post haste

 

[QuietB]

People reckon Democrats lost because people can't afford rent and groceries now so how is that going to change?

It’s not. The right don’t give a ****

 

[Romeoh1]

When it comes to Trump, people had plenty of reasons not to vote for him.

Convicted felon
Court found on balance of probabilities to have committed sexual assault
Tried to overthrow democratically held elections
Found to have defamed people
Six-time bankrupt
Twice impeached
A million people dead because of COVID
Friends with Jeffrey Epstein
Called migrants animals

That's a start. If you can find an equivalent list for Harris, I'll gladly wait.

Yep but apparently none of that is as much of an issue as wokeness is. Woke is much worse than any of that dude.

 

[QuietB]

Cheats in Golf

I get the people don’t care that he is a convicted felon, a rapist, a liar, a cheat and a racist misogynist pig. Civil standards have fallen after all.

But cheating at golf should be a red line for everyone.

Speaking of red lines, how influential was Netanyahu pissing all over Biden’s red lines? It was pretty piss weak by the Dems to state a red line and then fold the second Netanyahu crossed it.

Openly and unapologetically being campaigners is another huge advantage the right has.

 

[Satan]

Cruz s daughter expression

She knows whats coming in usa
No pill ,condoms, no sex before marriage