Play Nice 47th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 20: If you want Capitalism, you got it

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USA - 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

Continued from Part 1 - https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2024-us-presidential-election-trump-vs-harris.1383317/

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USA - Kamala Harris Concedes. God Help America

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< - Trump 19 is back there.

 

[Satan]

What's funnier is having blown his life up to support Trump for years ago, he's about as likely as any of us who tread these boards to to be involved in the new administration. He might as well have loser tattooed on his forehead and we all know how Trump feels about them.

Rudy , sidney , ellis ,eastman… martyrs for donnie

 

[Festerz]

Now that the votes have all be counted it's interesting to see where Trump's % of the final vote sits alongside other Presidents. From all the chatter on media - social and commercial - you'd think it would be one of the biggest margins of all time. Not so:




Doesn't change the fact that he is going to be the next President and, with the Republicans controlling Congress, will wield considerable power both inside and outside the US for the next four years of course.

 

[Cyber_punk]

The one sliver of respect I ever had for Trump was that he doesn’t drink alcohol.

But although I’m no health nut, reading about how he literally drinks zero water reminded me the man is quite mad.

To drink nothing but Soda is insane. Imagine the teeth if there were no veneers/dentures

 

[Satan]

To drink nothing but Soda is insane. Imagine the teeth if there were no veneers/dentures

to the russian bots , thats Shane from the pogues (rip ,no relation to keith)

 

[NSWCROW]

I agree 100% with you re Bernie, however I have low confidence in dems to not try some sort of hybrid, with a veneer of average working class concern whilst continuing to peddle DEI, and other woke perspectives. If they are serious about winning the next election they have to divorce themselves from that shit. Believe it or not I agree pretty whole heartedly with Cenk on his post election analysis.

Reset the counter !

 

[Bloods86]

The fact the status quo was so unpalatable to Americans is the exact reason why trump can ascend. It’s because the status quo run by liberal elites and establishment shills, has been unable to extricate itself from narratives that people see through, and when the alternative is a populist albeit highly flawed, who speaks to what the average American wants to hear, against a woeful dem campaign… this is what you get.

I agree 100% with you re Bernie, however I have low confidence in dems to not try some sort of hybrid, with a veneer of average working class concern whilst continuing to peddle DEI, and other woke perspectives. If they are serious about winning the next election they have to divorce themselves from that shit. Believe it or not I agree pretty whole heartedly with Cenk on his post election analysis.

Can the Republicans divorce themselves from the unqualified hacks that Trump is handing out cabinet positions to? Or the positions handed out to family?

At least the DEI that Dems support is attempting to address systemic biases and under-representations of certain groups, who still have to be qualified. Not just giving your rich donors and loyal mates the top jobs, whether they have any relevant experience or not.

Republicans, conservatives barely give two hoots about DEI, because they're fine with nepotism, handouts when it's their side doing it, and then they have the gall to froth and whip up media outrage over anything the Dems have supposedly supported to actually address issues.

The voters just believe what they're told about DEI, which may have little correlation to reality. So it probably doesn't really matter what the Dems do or don't do about it.

 

[happy_eagle]

It does appear like they are heading towards three distinct political fractions.

MAGA Republicans - Trump and his sycophants, which appears to now include Libertarians

The Establishment - The combination of forces of moderate republicans and corporate dems. Types like Biden, Liz Cheney, Mitt Romney etc..

Progressives - Your Bernie Sanders, AOC, Elizabeth Warren types.

Whether this results in three legitimate parties, highly unlikely.

 

[Bloods86]

It does appear like they are heading towards three distinct political fractions.

MAGA Republicans - Trump and his sycophants, which appears to now include Libertarians

The Establishment - The combination of forces of moderate republicans and corporate dems. Types like Biden, Liz Cheney, Mitt Romney etc..

Progressives - Your Bernie Sanders, AOC, Elizabeth Warren types.

Whether this results in three legitimate parties, highly unlikely.

A third party, without the introduction of preferential/ranked choice voting, would be even worse.

I suspect few conservatives would stick with a middle party, if it meant the risk of losing power. They would likely vote MAGA. Which is pretty much what happened in 2024, even those who don't love Trump, stuck with the MAGA party to avoid a largely establishment party with some progressives in it.

But I could absolutely see plenty of establishment liberal types or progressive types refusing to vote for the other, even to avoid MAGA winning. I think we saw some of this from so called leftists who wouldn't vote for Harris in protest.

 

[happy_eagle]

I think we saw some of this from so called leftists who wouldn't vote for Harris in protest.

There were also plenty of conservatives that wouldn't vote for Trump. I think the politics will continue to divide over the next 4 years and these will become 3 distinct voting blocs.

 

[Satan]

President-elect Donald J. Trump is keeping secret the names of the donors who are funding his transition effort, a break from tradition that could make it impossible to see what interest groups, businesses or wealthy people are helping launch his second term.
Mr. Trump has so far declined to signan agreement with the Biden administration that imposes strict limits on that fund-raising in exchange for up to $7.2 million in federal funds earmarked for the transition. By dodging the agreement, Mr. Trump can raise unlimited amounts of money from unknown donors to pay for the staff, travel and office space involved in preparing to take over the government.

Which bf poster is paying Trump?

 

[Not Important]

it is the only state in that godforsaken country worth visiting. go, you good things.

 

[Not Important]

wonder if she ever did.

 

[Not Important]

Get Loved Loser (@supertrue01.bsky.social)

Dark ages #2 coming at ya!

bsky.app

 

[Not Important]

this is worth spending a few minutes. all that said, why would so many of the great unwashed vote for the man who would embed it and be antithetical to their best interests?

 

[faible]

Can the Republicans divorce themselves from the unqualified hacks that Trump is handing out cabinet positions to? Or the positions handed out to family?

At least the DEI that Dems support is attempting to address systemic biases and under-representations of certain groups, who still have to be qualified. Not just giving your rich donors and loyal mates the top jobs, whether they have any relevant experience or not.

Republicans, conservatives barely give two hoots about DEI, because they're fine with nepotism, handouts when it's their side doing it, and then they have the gall to froth and whip up media outrage over anything the Dems have supposedly supported to actually address issues.

The voters just believe what they're told about DEI, which may have little correlation to reality. So it probably doesn't really matter what the Dems do or don't do about it.

The irony is that they use DEI as a cover for saying 'unqualified women and people of colour are getting jobs ahead of qualified people'.

Whilst Trump's administration is almost exclusively unqualified people.

 

[Blue1980]

Can the Republicans divorce themselves from the unqualified hacks that Trump is handing out cabinet positions to? Or the positions handed out to family?

At least the DEI that Dems support is attempting to address systemic biases and under-representations of certain groups, who still have to be qualified. Not just giving your rich donors and loyal mates the top jobs, whether they have any relevant experience or not.

Republicans, conservatives barely give two hoots about DEI, because they're fine with nepotism, handouts when it's their side doing it, and then they have the gall to froth and whip up media outrage over anything the Dems have supposedly supported to actually address issues.

The voters just believe what they're told about DEI, which may have little correlation to reality. So it probably doesn't really matter what the Dems do or don't do about it.

I agree Dems policies are better for the majority but that is because they largely say the status quo is fine and trim around the edges, whereas trump wants to throw bombs at the system.

If Dems were serious about winning this time they’d have gone with transformative FDR style agenda, but they weren’t and they aren’t.

Still as long as democracy isn’t eroded further they prob have a decent chance in 2028 without trump and to get the house back in 2026. Still isn’t the evidence that Trumpism isn’t all that popular without trump, as mid term elections and various one off elections have shown with MAGA nuts running in them.

Trump is a uniquely charismatic figure for a lot of people and, love him or hate him he commands attention.

 

[Blue1980]

It does appear like they are heading towards three distinct political fractions.

MAGA Republicans - Trump and his sycophants, which appears to now include Libertarians

The Establishment - The combination of forces of moderate republicans and corporate dems. Types like Biden, Liz Cheney, Mitt Romney etc..

Progressives - Your Bernie Sanders, AOC, Elizabeth Warren types.

Whether this results in three legitimate parties, highly unlikely.

The establishment camps will drift to either MAGA or progressives depending on which way the wind is blowing.

 

[Not Important]

How do we "know" this?

If there are no policy differences (which I strongly dispute, but you made the claim) what exactly is the distinction between the "establishment democrats" and "populist MAGAs"?

achy makes stuff up. his hero, trumpy, would be ever so proud of the person.

 

[Blue1980]

A third party, without the introduction of preferential/ranked choice voting, would be even worse.

I suspect few conservatives would stick with a middle party, if it meant the risk of losing power. They would likely vote MAGA. Which is pretty much what happened in 2024, even those who don't love Trump, stuck with the MAGA party to avoid a largely establishment party with some progressives in it.

But I could absolutely see plenty of establishment liberal types or progressive types refusing to vote for the other, even to avoid MAGA winning. I think we saw some of this from so called leftists who wouldn't vote for Harris in protest.

If I was over there I’d have voted this time for Kamala but I’d be done from this point in, and just vote for socialists or whoever (not stein, she can get ****ed)

Id vote in the mid terms if I thought the person in my seat was a genuine progressive for the Dems in my district and also if I liked them in the senate.

Unless the Dems change to a genuine progressive party, it can become the dictatorship of MAGA for all I care, as the Dems are on board with it anyway.

 

[Blue1980]

There were also plenty of conservatives that wouldn't vote for Trump. I think the politics will continue to divide over the next 4 years and these will become 3 distinct voting blocs.

Be interesting to see how much MAGA drops off without Trump. Will JD Vance keep them on board? He probably will with some, but it’s not the same is it?

 

[Bloods86]

it is the only state in that godforsaken country worth visiting. go, you good things.

Nah. Plenty of other good spots.

 

[Bloods86]

If I was over there I’d have voted this time for Kamala but I’d be done from this point in, and just vote for socialists or whoever (not stein, she can get ****ed)

Id vote in the mid terms if I thought the person in my seat was a genuine progressive for the Dems in my district and also if I liked them in the senate.

Unless the Dems change to a genuine progressive party, it can become the dictatorship of MAGA for all I care, as the Dems are on board with it anyway.

Yeah I can't fathom that thinking. It leads to worse outcomes, which I wouldn't want to have played a part in.

If there are 2 options, and 1 is worse, vote for the other (not as bad) one.

 

[Not Important]

Nah. Plenty of other good spots.

nah! go to ny for sports, theatre and tourism. then piss off in case ya run into the cookers from texas, florida, california etc. and maybe hawaii cos it’s handy.

 

[Bloods86]

nah! go to ny for sports, theatre and tourism. then piss off in case ya run into the cookers from texas, florida, california etc. and maybe hawaii cos it’s handy.

I've been to 14 states plus DC. Nowhere was bad, but Vegas was meh and tacky. Yellowstone is fantastic, I've bussed/stayed through places in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina. You meet people with similar and different views, but enjoyed each place.

If you stick to NYC, you're missing out.

Cookers will be everywhere. Trump is a New York guy.

 

[kranky al]

wonder if she ever did.