Play Nice 47th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 20: If you want Capitalism, you got it

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USA - 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

Continued from Part 1 - https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2024-us-presidential-election-trump-vs-harris.1383317/

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USA - Kamala Harris Concedes. God Help America

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< - Trump 19 is back there.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

No that isn't the worst example.

The worst example is the Democrats support of slavery until a Republican President went to war over it and abolished it.

So lets see: The Democrats supported racism, had a President who actually did try to stack the Supreme Court and failed so he served as President for 12 rather than the standard 8 years during which time he appointed eight of the nine SCOTUS Judges (he wanted another 6), and also has repeatedly blocked Republican nominees.

But, but, but Trump....

Well yeah, we’re talking about the here and now, in this thread: President elect Donald Trump and the Republican Party.

The Democrats used to be the slaveowners’ party. Yep. I think most people who follow US politics know that.

And shit, that’s how you win a debate about Donald Trump’s presidency.

If anyone needs to read that Nick Bryant book it’s you.

 

[stefcep]

It’s a pretty common pathway, yes. So as politicians go, she’s qualified?

But very few of them actually end up as VP's. Why her?

Again though, she’s VP. Not president. Voting isn’t a requirement for qualification.

So you belive its sound political strategy to have a VP that isn't even liked by her own constituency? I guees the Democrats agreed. It went great.

Irrelevant. He’s the incoming VP. His qualifications for the role are already known, what are they? How do they compare to the allegedly inadequate Harris?

Vance was appointed VP by Trump for political purposes So was Harris but different ones. We'll see if Vance does nothing for 4 years and loses an lection and $1.5 billion in the same time to guage how qualified he was.

So this didn’t happen, you’ve made it up..

Of course Harris didn't become President. She had once chance-at the mid-terms.

Also what exactly is ‘woke euphoria’?

here's an example of Kamala on the BLM bandwagon:

 

[stefcep]

Well yeah, we’re talking about the here and now, in this thread: President elect Donald Trump and the Republican Party.

The Democrats used to be the slaveowners’ party. Yep. I think most people who follow US politics know that.

And shit, that’s how you win a debate about Donald Trump’s presidency.

If anyone needs to read that Nick Bryant book it’s you.

You don't see the hypocrisy of the Democrats right now?

Complaining Trump will never leave at the end his term,

Complaining the SCOTUS is stacked against them?

Complaining their Judicial nominee was blocked?

The Democrats have done all of this and more!

 

[faible]

Vance was appointed VP by Trump for political purposes

DEI?

 

[stefcep]

Joe pardons Hunter:

Joe Biden pardons son Hunter despite saying he wouldn't

President Joe Biden has pardoned his son, Hunter, sparing him a possible prison sentence and reversing his promises not to use the power to benefit his family.

au.yahoo.com

Something...all equal under the law...and umm Trump...nepotism,

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

You don't see the hypocrisy of the Democrats right now?

Complaining Trump will never leave at the end his term,

Complaining the SCOTUS is stacked against them?

Complaining their Judicial nominee was blocked?

The Democrats have done all of this and more!

Yes, from 1828 to 1945. Great point you're making here mate.

Not sure if you've noticed, but the Republican Party has radically transformed over the last couple of decades.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

As a matter of urgency, Trump should find space for Hunter Biden in his cabinet, now that the ex-felon is free and unencumbured.

As an ex-felon he’d fit right in.

 

[Saint Shags]

I work in a public primary school in Adelaide and I want to know what woke shit I am supposed to ignore?

I work at a Catholic school in Victoria.
I'd love to know what we're meant to ignore. Or is it just the vibe? Like Mabo?

 

[Blue1980]

No that isn't the worst example.

The worst example is the Democrats support of slavery until a Republican President went to war over it and abolished it.

So lets see: The Democrats supported racism, had a President who actually did try to stack the Supreme Court and failed so he served as President for 12 rather than the standard 8 years during which time he appointed eight of the nine SCOTUS Judges (he wanted another 6), and also has repeatedly blocked Republican nominees.

But, but, but Trump....

You’re seriously arguing FDR was bad? Maybe should have done some neoliberal ultra capitalist shit you seem so fond of back in the Great Depression and see how that worked.

Also both political parties have changed over the years, I don’t give a **** what either party was doing 100-200 years ago, I’ll judge whoever was in charge at the time on their merits.

I don’t think there has been a good president since LBJ, and even then he thought going to Vietnam was a good idea.

 

[Blue1980]

Joe pardons Hunter:

Joe Biden pardons son Hunter despite saying he wouldn't

President Joe Biden has pardoned his son, Hunter, sparing him a possible prison sentence and reversing his promises not to use the power to benefit his family.

au.yahoo.com

Something...all equal under the law...and umm Trump...nepotism,

Cool, we can lock Joe up and Hunter for nepotism.

We can do the same for Donnie and his son and law taking a 2 billion dollar bribe from the Saudis.

 

[DaTBird187]

The best councillors are reformed addicts.

So you're saying Trump should volunteer at a rape crisis centre?

Oh wait no, you mentioned reformed.

 

[Spearman]

7 years as DA of San Francisco
6 years as DA of California
4 years as Senator for California

This seems like a pretty solid resume to me.

Do you think she's not qualified for the role?

Well she didn't have her own youtube channel and podcast, did she? Obviously unqualified.

 

[Episode IV]

So, you haven't seen the rape threats made on the daily against female youtubers and tiktokers who discuss politics?

You havent seen the left wing American tiktokers and youtubers and bloggers, that need to point out that they do not personally oppose the right to bear arms, and own guns themselves, as a counterpoint to the commenters who say they know where they live and are going to come and kill them?

Yet again, the side that mocks, threatens, belittles and intimidates, is upset, at how oppressed they are.

The political movement that has infiltrated school boards to dictate what books children can have access to, are upset, that certain viewpoints are forced down peoples throats.

Do you understand that the viral, Your body, my choice, is being said not because the people saying it feel marginalised. They aren't saying it because they feel unable to express themselves in public. They are saying it because its meant to intimidate, upset and belittle. It is an expression of power. I have it, you dont, I can do what I want.

This is the environment Maga has created.

If you cannot see it, maybe this is because it sits a little comfortably with you?

Well, Jatz, that's quite a few likes you've managed to get for yourself by shifting the goalposts and having a bit of a rant.

I don't pay too much attention to TikTok and the like. I'm not going to deny it exists, I've actually read a story about it on the ABC news in Australia, (Fuentes, I think, but the article was headlined by a big picture of Trump, not Nick) but I don't think it's mainstream opinion.

If it was somebody's intention to make a little cash by winding the likes of you up, then they've certainly succeeded.
Your outrage has just made them a little wealthier. I see you still haven't figured out who the bulk of the target audience actually is.
You can bank your ten odd likes, and Fuentes banks another few thousand dollars for one little Tik Tok post. Congratulations on being a part of the problem.

None of that, by the way, is evidence that this is the environment that "MAGA has created". I don't suppose I'm going to get anything in the way of a thoughtful response any time soon?

 

[Financialpanther]

As vice president, Pence chaired the National Space Council following its reestablishment in 2017 as well as the White House Coronavirus Task Force, which was established in early 2020 in response to the COVID-19 pandemic

But what was his accomplishments?

 

[stefcep]

Yes, from 1828 to 1945. Great point you're making here mate.

Not sure if you've noticed, but the Republican Party has radically transformed over the last couple of decades.

Err no. Democrats blocked Federal nominations under Bush's Presidency


In what way has the Republican Party "radically transformed" over the last couple of decades?

 

[faible]

Imagine arguing you support the Republicans because the Democrats did some shit you didn't like before you were even born, as though the Republican party hasn't drastically changed their position.

The current GOP would be the ones supporting slavery. There's a reason they want to kill unions.

Look at the Trump appointees; billionaires and sycophants, almost none of whom have any relevant qualifications for the roles they're in.

Those railing against DEI appointments should be up in arms about Trump's cabinet, as they're certainly not there on merit.

 

[Saint]

The thing about Trump and his Cabinet of nuffies is that they'll be mostly ineffective. By the time they get rid of, or navigate, Government red tape, the term will largely be over. It will result in the next President bearing the brunt of the impacts.

They'll also be dealing with a slim House majority. And the surprise to most of the Cabinet Nuffies is that red states and their Congresspeople know that they're by far the biggest beneficiaries of Government programs. Whether it's the military bases or defence factories where they're not needed which were pork-barrelling from 50 years ago, or the social security programs and big Govt offices spread across the country.

While they all talk a big game about doing away with Government, they will all shirk-it when it comes to closing the least efficient, regional and rural programs which are mostly in red states. So Trump and his nuffies will barely get anything through Congress anyway, with only a 6-seat majority, they will need every GOP congress-person except up to 3 out of 220 to agree to slashing Govt spending in their districts. That aint going to happen. Congresspeople serve 2-year terms. They're always in election mode. The closure of a plant, defence base or Govt office is enough to lose their job.

 

[Saint]

Imagine arguing you support the Republicans because the Democrats did some shit you didn't like before you were even born, as though the Republican party hasn't drastically changed their position.

The current GOP would be the ones supporting slavery. There's a reason they want to kill unions.

Look at the Trump appointees; billionaires and sycophants, almost none of whom have any relevant qualifications for the roles they're in.

Those railing against DEI appointments should be up in arms about Trump's cabinet, as they're certainly not there on merit.

It's not that they're unqualified. It's that they hate poor people and believe they're responsible for their own misery and if only Government would stop supporting them, they'd be successful trailer-park employees working 3 jobs for large corporations on sub-minimum-wage which they want to do away with so they can pay workers less and expect greater prosperity.

 

[faible]

It's not that they're unqualified. It's that they hate poor people and believe they're responsible for their own misery and if only Government would stop supporting them, they'd be successful trailer-park employees working 3 jobs for large corporations on sub-minimum-wage which they want to do away with so they can pay workers less and expect greater prosperity.

Financial Times (I think anyway) did a good analysis. Most Americans agree that there's a lot of inequality, agree that inequality is a bad thing, but believe nothing should be done about it.

A real 'temporarily embarrassed millionaire' vibe. They're poor now, but won't vote for things that would help them, because they'll soon be rich and those things will harm them then.

A whole lot of people are going to get really ****ed over if / when Obamacare gets removed, because they don't realise that ACA and Obamacare are the same thing, and the American health insurance market is horrendously tilted against the consumer.

If we thought health insurance companies were bad here, whoa nelly.

 

[Magnum27]

For a bloke who's really opposed to indoctrination, it seems to be very specifically directed at a small minority.

Life isn't that complicated.

Don't be a campaigner to others. If they're straight, if they're gay, if they're male, female, transgender, don't be a campaigner. It's really not complicated.

When you start saying it's just a bit of harmless banter, what you mean is 'it doesn't affect me so I don't care'.

This, i do not get why you would care how someone else lives their life, you get to choose how you live your life. The only time i would have an issue, if it had a negative effect on my life with someone else choice, but i doubt that will ever happen.

 

[bourbons]

As vice president, Pence chaired the National Space Council following its reestablishment in 2017 as well as the White House Coronavirus Task Force, which was established in early 2020 in response to the COVID-19 pandemic

Wow ok, didn't realise the bar was that low

As vice president Harris oversaw the first-ever White House Office of Gun Violence Prevention and her work on maternal and infant health care was a key component of the Build Back Better Act, passed in 2022 expanding access to maternal care and makes new investments to drive down mortality and morbidity rates.

Imagine trying to pretend Pence did stuff but Harris didn't

They both did **** all mate, like every VP.

 

[bourbons]

I work in a public primary school in Adelaide and I want to know what woke shit I am supposed to ignore?

I'm sure there's a rainbow on a wall somewhere, probably multiple, you absolute monster

 

[Gavin Excell]

The thing about Trump and his Cabinet of nuffies is that they'll be mostly ineffective. By the time they get rid of, or navigate, Government red tape, the term will largely be over. It will result in the next President bearing the brunt of the impacts.

They'll also be dealing with a slim House majority. And the surprise to most of the Cabinet Nuffies is that red states and their Congresspeople know that they're by far the biggest beneficiaries of Government programs. Whether it's the military bases or defence factories where they're not needed which were pork-barrelling from 50 years ago, or the social security programs and big Govt offices spread across the country.

While they all talk a big game about doing away with Government, they will all shirk-it when it comes to closing the least efficient, regional and rural programs which are mostly in red states. So Trump and his nuffies will barely get anything through Congress anyway, with only a 6-seat majority, they will need every GOP congress-person except up to 3 out of 220 to agree to slashing Govt spending in their districts. That aint going to happen. Congresspeople serve 2-year terms. They're always in election mode. The closure of a plant, defence base or Govt office is enough to lose their job.

Looking on from a (thankfully large) distance it will be fascinating to see how this plays out and if they follow through what economic impacts it will have. It's like a science experiment in economics that we don't really see that much

 

[troybe]

I'm sure there's a rainbow on a wall somewhere, probably multiple, you absolute monster

The kids were probably learning about meteorological phenomena, everybody needs to take a chill pill

 

[Gough]

The kids were probably learning about meteorological phenomena, everybody needs to take a chill pill

In Louisiana these days they're the work of god.