4th test Australia v India at the Gabba 1030 AEDT

[The_Irony]

It isnt hard to understand.

Australian fans have themselves to blame for this.

After the ball tampering episode, there was a total over reaction and embarrassing exercise in hand wringing.

CA bent over to outraged fan's demands and excessively banned Warner and Smith for 12 months. Sentences generally reserved for drug cheats and criminals. I can still see the twitter feed now full of idiots with no idea.

We were even lectured by an ex Goldman Sachs employee about morals. Yes, Goldman Sachs. A company who sucks money out of any orifice it can gets hand into and was neck deep in causing the GFC.

Smith was a capable captain, Warner, while a bit wild, was a capable deputy.

Paine is also capable. But the dynamics of the way we play cricket have changed forever. Any banter or sledging, or players letting off steam is now examined forensically and other players continue to let rip ad nauseum.

Any loss and fans wanna sack half the team and the coaches. As if that has ever changed anything.

We are still playing with one hand behind our back. More concerned with image then winning the game.

You sooks are to blame.

oh ok

 

[The_Irony]

It isnt hard to understand.

Australian fans have themselves to blame for this.

After the ball tampering episode, there was a total over reaction and embarrassing exercise in hand wringing.

CA bent over to outraged fan's demands and excessively banned Warner and Smith for 12 months. Sentences generally reserved for drug cheats and criminals. I can still see the twitter feed now full of idiots with no idea.

We were even lectured by an ex Goldman Sachs employee about morals. Yes, Goldman Sachs. A company who sucks money out of any orifice it can gets hand into and was neck deep in causing the GFC.

Smith was a capable captain, Warner, while a bit wild, was a capable deputy.

Paine is also capable. But the dynamics of the way we play cricket have changed forever. Any banter or sledging, or players letting off steam is now examined forensically and other players continue to let rip ad nauseum.

Any loss and fans wanna sack half the team and the coaches. As if that has ever changed anything.

We are still playing with one hand behind our back. More concerned with image then winning the game.

You sooks are to blame.

oh ok

 

[King_Lolhi]

Bring smith back as captain, Paine is an abomination

 

[sherb]

Been thinking long and hard since the embarrassing loss...the biggest problem we have preventing change is the Big Bash. It has taken over from 4 day state cricket, and the players vying for selection have barely played a game since the test series started because they've been sitting on the bench for the test team. Guys like Henriques, Neser, Swepson and Abbott, whether you'd agree with their selection or not, have no exposed form because they haven't played a competitive long form match in months.

I agree changes need to happen, but until we get exposed form in 4 and 5 day cricket, it will not happen.

I've already posted about this, and I agree.

You are not going to have a strong, successful Test side without an equally strong first-class competition - and scheduling (as you note above) is part of that.

The problem is that the meatheads at CA can't see past the dollars of the BBL to realize this.

Unless the Shield is returned to some sort of strength and prestige, I see big problems down the track with our Test performances.

 

[estibador]

I remember when we were dominant and plenty were saying how boring it was winning all the time, be careful what you complain about!

I was one of those people and I'm very much enjoying the more competitive summers we've been having lately.

Our dominant era holds a special place in my heart but only because it was out of the ordinary. If cricket was always like that the sport would get boring.

 

[Blue Arrow]

A great last day of a great test series.
What a team India are, all heart and backbone with no passengers in the entire squad.
Australia are just an ordinary side, substandard batting & leadership with an overrated bowling attack.
Looking forward to seeing the line up of the first test against SA, let the purge begin.

 

[Topkent]

Ashwin firing few shots at Paine on twitter, love it

An yet if the show was reversed muppets would be firing at the Australian team for lacking class and dignity.

 

[Topkent]

I'm surprised at the amount of crap the bowlers are coping on here, if it wasn't for them we might of lost the series 3-0.

I wonder if any of them saw Warner looking all smug straight after the game.

The **** are you talking about? Our batters gave our bowlers 300+ two games in a row defend on the 5th day and Starc and Lyon were an abomination, meanwhile our all rounder went wicket less for the series.

The batters were ok, not great but ok as a unit. The bowlers won us one test and failed in the next 3

 

[Topkent]

Also this is not a problem that will be solved any time soon around this team, Wade and Harris and the 2 best run scorers in the last couple years in domestic cricket in oz. There literally isn't anyone else.

Best we can do is bring in blokes who can't even average 40 in shield cricket, how are the gonna step up and do better in tests?

 

[MelVilander]

Those dust bowls in India? There will be no pace and bounce. Just raging turners next time we tour

naah man no more dust bowls - we will see.

 

[The Casey Cat]

(B), and maybe also cause for reflection for some of our players and officials. But will they?

When have they before? They're all great. Just asked them. They'll tell you all about it and executives will tell you about an expanded BBL for next year.

 

[JimDocker]

I followed the final day on Cricinfo at work. I just watched the last 2 hours that I had recorded.

Incredible stuff from India. This series win is the greatest single series win that I can recall from any team. To come back from the drubbing in the first test, without Kholi and to have players dropping out of the series on a regular basis... just amazing.

The quality of the players coming through is remarkable. Technique wise and temperament. I cannot remember calmer performances from such inexperienced players.

Australia looked shot. Brilliant performance from Cummins. Starc didn't have anything left in the tank. Lyon was disappointing but also bowled without much luck for the series.

 

[Ron The Bear]

How does a quartet with over a thousand Test wickets get done on home turf by a quintet with four Tests between them?

This is as embarrassing a loss as I can remember. Bowlers/captaincy/coaching/pitches or a combination? Some of Langer's elite honesty required.

Obviously we are at least a couple of batsmen short.

 

[Plugger35]

It would have positively exploded here after this match. BF may never have recovered.

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Let me guess.

Kim Hughes is the worst captain Australia's ever seen, he has no clue.

Lillee and Lawson are cooked, bring back Hogg and Thomson FFS.

Why is Trevor Chappell batting at no.3? Put Border to 3 and bat Hookes at 5.

We need to persist with Hookes he's a good young talent this bloke.

 

[rocker_oz33]

30s not a death age for cricketers, far from it. anderson is still going and hes 38.

its the quality of his bowling that should kick him out of the team. but if that was the guide he'd have played many fewer tests.

At some point some players drop off.
And cant handle test cricket.

 

[RohitSharma]

Told you guys 2-1

 

[RohitSharma]

How does a quartet with over a thousand Test wickets get done on home turf by a quintet with four Tests between them?

This is as embarrassing a loss as I can remember. Bowlers/captaincy/coaching/pitches or a combination? Some of Langer's elite honesty required.

Obviously we are at least a couple of batsmen short.

Langer isn't a good coach and starc and lyon needs to be replaced. Aussies need to send players for ranji praactice

 

[The Passenger]

Unless the Shield is returned to some sort of strength and prestige, I see big problems down the track with our Test performances.

Not even sure they are down the track. We haven't ever fallen to the level of basket case, although we flirted with that around 2013, but it's certainly been a frustrating decade or so.

 

[Plugger35]

Told you guys 2-1

You owe Pant and Pujara a cold Kingfisher, they saved your bacon today.

 

[rocker_oz33]

30s not a death age for cricketers, far from it. anderson is still going and hes 38.

its the quality of his bowling that should kick him out of the team. but if that was the guide he'd have played many fewer tests.

At some point some players drop off.
And cant handle test cricket.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Ashwin firing few shots at Paine on twitter, love it

Where? The only tweet I can see where he mentions Paine at all is this:

 

[CricketingErrors]

Kevin Petersen says the real team is visiting India next month. Be careful. Everyone is trolling Australian loss.

 

[CricketingErrors]

We just got belted at our impregnable fortress by India C. Perhaps we don't deserve to be playing in the final at Lords.

Glad someone understands that here.

 

[The Passenger]

Kevin Petersen says the real team is visiting India next month. Be careful. Everyone is trolling Australian loss.

England were humiliated on their last tour of India - they almost conceded 800 an innings to top it off. As much as I find the Indian's tedious, boy I would love to see them do the same to England again.

 

[Manbearpig77]

I think we need to make some small but significant changes to this team and more importantly the coaching staff. This is honestly a cataclysmic result. Probably the worst I've seen on home soil in my life time given the context (2010 was more humiliating but at least it was kind of expected given our line-up at the time).

There are two dominant narratives running in the wake of this series: India's gritty and determined resilience nets them a legendary victory with a bunch of peripheral players taking up the mantle. Through adversity they showcased their incredible depth, which is truly second to none in world cricket. CA need to look at how the BCCI schedule their domestic competitions and take serious note.

The second narrative, however, is, and should be the dominant one:
Australia completely and utterly screwed the pooch after getting out of jail in the first test and resting on their laurels there after.
It should take nothing away from India's amazing victory, but really, we grossly under performed and handed them victory on a platter, predominantly due to terrible selection and appalling game plans.
When you have Ricky Ponting, an ostensibly brilliant cricket mind, levelling criticism at the Australian bowlers saying we didn't utilise the bouncer enough to Sundar and Thakur in the first innings, it just boggles the mind. We didn't bowl anywhere near FULL enough after the Adelaide test in general. We bowled far too short far too often in the last two games. Anyone with half a brain could see that. So even if Langer was to be replaced by someone like Pointing, I fear it'd just be more of the same. I seriously worry about the strategic minds in and around this team.

Australia's cricket tactics are stale and uninspiring: Weirdly defensive fields being set at times when we should be attacking, therefore allowing new batsman to settle. Bowling far too many short deliveries at tail enders (at everyone actually). Not pitching the ball up and attacking the stumps or challenging the edge. We had 3 LBW's for the whole series FFS. Did they not look at any of the footage from the fourth innings in Adelaide!? Bowling full pitched at the top of off stump has worked for 100 years. Guess what? It still does!

Our batsman threw away their wickets unnecessarily far too many times. How on earth did we not score over 400 in our first innings in Brisbane? Well, it's because Harris, Marnus, Smith and Wade all threw away their wickets to average bowling after getting strong starts (Marnus can be forgiven as he actually went on to a century). When you have a guy who's played 13 FC games and hasn't touched a red ball in over a year getting Steve Smith, the best batsman in the world out, you know something is very wrong.

Has Langer actually improved any of our batsman since he took over? The evidence suggests he hasn't. Yes, Marnus has improved considerably under him but most of that Marnus himself attributes to his coach at Glenmoran in 2019.

This is a stale, uninspired, uneducated and arrogant team who are guilty of drinking their own bathwater after playing 2 good series in the last 3 years. I don't know if shuffling the deck chairs will help but at least 3 positions must come under extreme scrutiny:

1. Who ever partners Warner. Should be Pucovski but he seems to be made of glass, which leaves us with Harris or Burns. Yuck.

2. Matthew Wade or more specifically #5. Wade isn't a long term answer and right now he isn't a short term answer either. Averaged 21 for this series and is 33. Career average of 30. Needs to be moved on.

3. The third seamer. I'd personally like to see Jhye take this position but he's still a ways off being ready for test match cricket. Starc cannot be 'backed in' any more. How he wasn't rotated out of the 4th test I'll never know. It's beyond belief.
I guess Pattinson comes in for SA and Neser is the back up, but Pattinson, like Pucovski is also made of glass and Neser may just be a cut below Test standard. Still, worth a try. We know what Starc delivers and it's not up to standard right now.

4. (The less pressing but still concerning). Tim Paine's captaincy. I think Paine had a very good series with the bat but an under par one with the gloves maybe age is affecting his reaction times? He is indeed 36. But it's his captaincy that is the real worry and given his age, is coming very close to the end, plus he was always only meant to be a stand in.
Major issue is; apart from Smith there's no real other option, as for whatever reason fast bowlers don't seem to captain Australia, which rules out Cummins too. I have no idea how to fix our lack of leadership options, it's a real mess. In our Headingly loss and in Sydney and Brisbane our leadership fell to absolute shit when the temperature got turned up and panic set in. No cool heads prevailed. Not good enough for a group who've been playing together a long time now

We were humbled and embarrassed this series, and there are no excuses. We failed, plain and simple. The real question is why and how? Was our preparation inadequate? Quite clearly our bowling plans were flawed. Why did so many of our batsmen lose concentration so frequently? Why didn't we rotate our bowlers when they were clearly heavily fatigued? Paine even said after the game Starc had a question mark over his fitness. So why was he playing?!

We've been shown up to be an aggressively moderate team, who're nowhere near the best in the world, despite possessing three of the top ten batsmen (one of which was on one leg but still) and three of the top ten bowlers too (realistically though, Starc shouldn't be anywhere near the top 10). Something stinks.

Unbelievably frustrating.