Coach Adam Simpson Megathread est. 2017 - Staying for 2024, Lyon’s Cryin’

[CoastersFlag No.5]

I bet the media/communications staff and Nisbett are still in the office crafting the response statement. It would be a very hard statement to write.

Yeah maybe they can entice old mate Scomo or Numbnuts Eddie McGuire to make the club sound something other than insipid and incompetent.

 

[Duggo81]

Didn't seem like that when Buckley was sacked. They royally ****ed up their salary cap, had to offload Treloar and later Grundy, plus screwed up with Beams... they were floundering.

Macrae came in, and they started playing like superstars.

Is our list the problem?

Our list is horrendous mate wake up and stop being blinded by your love for the club. Players aged between 20 and 27 are competition worst by the length of the Flemington straight. No coach has a chance in hell to be competitive with this rabble

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[bzparkes]

Didn't seem like that when Buckley was sacked. They royally ****ed up their salary cap, had to offload Treloar and later Grundy, plus screwed up with Beams... they were floundering.

Macrae came in, and they started playing like superstars.

Is our list the problem?

For the last time, Collingwood's list was never in bad shape, it was their antics off field that ****ed them over.

Yeah, Macrae's getting great results, because he was essentially handed keys to a Ferrari.

 

[RookiePick]

Our list is horrendous mate wake up and stop being blinded by your love for the club. Players aged between 20 and 27 are competition worst by the length of the Flemington straight. No coach has a chance in hell to be competitive with this rabble

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It's truly baffling.

Have the players actually got no AFL level traits? Were they equivalent players to their peers and have not been properly developed? Is our gameplan that far off the pace?

Watching players that are 4 or 5 years in the system playing with total apathy and getting rag-dolled whenever they take the footy is something else. The Hawthorn youth were practically laughing at how abject we were today and physically left us for dead.

Systemic failure throughout the club for a long period. How can Simpson have been so oblivious to what was brewing? Does the bloke show zero interest in anything outside of his preferred 22?

 

[ghostbat12]

They don't play for him. Has to go.

I am ok criticising the club and coach but calling him to go after mass injuries, need to play young players who are coming off injuries and unable to train to rectify problems is a bit over the top.

I am ok for him to go if he is the problem but him going ain’t going to improve the above mentioned.

 

[amazingjoshy]

For the last time, Collingwood's list was never in bad shape, it was their antics off field that ****ed them over.

Yeah, Macrae's getting great results, because he was essentially handed keys to a Ferrari.

Literally noone was saying this 2 years ago

Incredible rewriting of history here

 

[ghostbat12]

Didn't seem like that when Buckley was sacked. They royally ****ed up their salary cap, had to offload Treloar and later Grundy, plus screwed up with Beams... they were floundering.

Macrae came in, and they started playing like superstars.

Is our list the problem?

How well would Collingwood go if they had Daicos, Moore, mihocek, crisp, Pendlebury, Maynard injured? Plus occasional injury to degoey and Taylor.

Yes, take those out and they are shite. Look at swans and we are in far worse injury situation than they are. Nearly got filled by north!

 

[thebutterflyeffect]

And who is that? Given that all the leading coaching candidates are currently employed at other clubs.

Who was Macrae when he got hired?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Who was Macrae when he got hired?

An assistant at Hawthorn.

So he wasn’t available as a caretaker coach when Buckley stepped down/got sacked.

 

[thebutterflyeffect]

They’ll keep him, he’ll eat a mountain of s**t between now and 2025, they’ll go their seperate ways and a new person will get a fresh chance with this version of the list hopefully years in the rear view.

Plenty of change to be made above Simmo, couldn’t argue if they sacked him tomorrow but equally don’t see what difference it will make in the short term, and will only really ruin someone else’s coaching career in the medium term.

I tend to agree but it's not set in stone that a new coach would make no difference. When Macrae took over the pies were expected to be starting a rebuild. Lyon this year was expected to be rebuilding a decimated Saints. Beveridge when he took over doggies got them to finals in his first year when they were in disarray

 

[Byron_Clanger]

It's truly baffling.

Have the players actually got no AFL level traits? Were they equivalent players to their peers and have not been properly developed? Is our gameplan that far off the pace?

Watching players that are 4 or 5 years in the system playing with total apathy and getting rag-dolled whenever they take the footy is something else. The Hawthorn youth were practically laughing at how abject we were today and physically left us for dead.

Systemic failure throughout the club for a long period. How can Simpson have been so oblivious to what was brewing? Does the bloke show zero interest in anything outside of his preferred 22?

This is what happens when you have a team that has next to no margin for error as it is with a FIT list racks up an injury list of almost 20. It horribly exposes these barely passable WAFL players to the top level and you get what we've seen the last couple years...witches hats.

No way do I want Simmo getting the ass cos God himself couldn't coach this rabble in the state it's in right now. But I do expect effort...which we've barely seen.

 

[BBQ Mania]

After we won the Grannie we thought we could go again.
We couldn't and we were not insightful enough to start the rebuild then. We had a each way bet and lost.

Our problems started the year before Kelly was drafted by Geelong, when he was right under our nose and we didn't rookie him. We then sold the farm to get him back and lost years of development from who we would have drafted had we rookied him.

 

[thebutterflyeffect]

This is what happens when you have a team that has next to no margin for error as it is with a FIT list racks up an injury list of almost 20. It horribly exposes these barely passable WAFL players to the top level and you get what we've seen the last couple years...witches hats.

No way do I want Simmo getting the ass cos God himself couldn't coach this rabble in the state it's in right now. But I do expect effort...which we've barely seen.

True but why are we seeing such limited improvement in players who have been on our list for a number of years? Oneil, Petch, H Edwards, Rotham, Foley etc

 

[bzparkes]

Literally noone was saying this 2 years ago

Incredible rewriting of history here

Their core players aren't that much different to the ones we played in 2018.

Got gifted Daicos and had to offload Treloar/Grundy due to shit list decisions.

They never had a bad list to begin with.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

I tend to agree but it's not set in stone that a new coach would make no difference. When Macrae took over the pies were expected to be starting a rebuild. Lyon this year was expected to be rebuilding a decimated Saints. Beveridge when he took over doggies got them to finals in his first year when they were in disarray

I agree. You can't make decisions or proceed with the logic of no coaching option or other changes at the club will create significant instant change in the club's fortunes (i.e. a magic wand), therefore lets do nothing, make no changes and keep doing more of what we have been doing thus far with the same people in charge who got us into this situation in the first place calling the shots until one day when said magic wand hopefully appears. The decision making bar for making changes can't be "if it solves all our problems in one hit then lets do it but if not then lets just do nothing".

 

[InTheWings]

How well would Collingwood go if they had Daicos, Moore, mihocek, crisp, Pendlebury, Maynard injured? Plus occasional injury to degoey and Taylor.

Yes, take those out and they are shite. Look at swans and we are in far worse injury situation than they are. Nearly got filled by north!

Agreed. Injuries have killed our season more than coaching.

Commentators were saying that we only had two players from our 2018 Premiership team in the side today.

If we had a fully fit squad, the new game style would be in full swing, we'd be able to hone strategy during the week with enough players on the track to train properly, and we'd still be challenging for finals.

If we had a fully fit squad, we wouldn't be having these calls for Simmo's sacking.

 

[thebutterflyeffect]

Injuries have killed our season more than coaching.

Commentators were saying that we only had two players from our 2018 Premiership team in the side today.

If we had a fully fit squad, the new game style would be in full swing, we'd be able to hone strategy during the week with enough players on the track to train properly, and we'd still be challenging for finals. If we had a fully fit squad, there wouldn't be much chance people would be calling for Simmo's sacking.

True but our problems at least started in 2021 and you could argue that there were cracks starting in 2019 when we cost ourselves top 4 by getting smashed by Hawks in the last round. In 2020 we lost three games in a row by 45+. Back end of 2021 won about 1 game in our last 10.

We've had a soft underbelly for a while now. True we have had a horrific injury run (partly self inflicted by putting all our faith in injury prone players) but that had only exacerbated an existing issue.

 

[thebutterflyeffect]

An assistant at Hawthorn.

So he wasn’t available as a caretaker coach when Buckley stepped down/got sacked.

Is this a caretaker conversation? I thought this was a who would potentially be available end of season

 

[InTheWings]

True but our problems at least started in 2021 and you could argue that there were cracks starting in 2019 when we cost ourselves top 4 by getting smashed by Hawks in the last round. In 2020 we lost three games in a row by 45+. Back end of 2021 won about 1 game in our last 10.

We've had a soft underbelly for a while now. True we have had a horrific injury run (partly self inflicted by putting all our faith in injury prone players) but that had only exacerbated an existing issue.

You are right about 2019 and 2020. We should have been vying for the premiership. Also, from memory, the soft tissue injury issue started in 2020 with repeat injuries to Shuey, Yeo etc... I'm unsure but, was there a game where Shuey did both hamstrings? I seem to remember he did one hamstring but then ran back on and did the other? Something like that.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

I am expecting the club to neither sack nor back Simpson in their statement tomorrow. I think they will keep their powder dry and commit to nothing. There will be a lot of mention of injuries and they will play up not having traded out/down our draft picks in the last draft as being a rebuild. If they and Simpson are going to part ways i expect them to announce it around Round 15 - 17 timeframe and for him to coach out the season in any case.

 

[Rowan18]

I am expecting the club to neither sack nor back Simpson in their statement tomorrow. I think they will keep their powder dry and commit to nothing. There will be a lot of mention of injuries and they will play up not having traded out/down our draft picks in the last draft as being a rebuild. If they and Simpson are going to part ways i expect them to announce it around Round 15 - 17 timeframe and for him to coach out the season in any case.

I don't think we'll even get a statement tomorrow. They will play it straight like they did after the Carlton game.

Pretty smart really. Give the media absolutely nothing and then they've got no ammo.

 

[nameless]

What's the deal with soft cap?
If we pay out Simmo does that limit what we spend on a new coach?

On the same topic, I think a soft cap should be scrapped for medical staff, player welfare shouldn't be limited.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

What's the deal with soft cap?
If we pay out Simmo does that limit what we spend on a new coach?

On the same topic, I think a soft cap should be scrapped for medical staff, player welfare shouldn't be limited.

I think you can spend whatever you want but you have to pay a tax to the AFL for every dollar you spend over the set amount. It might be 50% or something like that.

 

[Duggo81]

For the last time, Collingwood's list was never in bad shape, it was their antics off field that ****ed them over.

Yeah, Macrae's getting great results, because he was essentially handed keys to a Ferrari.

That's laughable you say a Ferrari far from it. Eddie and Bucks were hurting that club and it had become stale. They had a good core to build with but it's the environment and the messaging and gamestyle that has changed that club. McRae and his coaching staff are incredible in being able to communicate the message build a team squad mentality and to make every player feel valued in the side that each ones role is just as important as anyone's.

Their list was around middle of the road but look at the improvements in players games on that list. Pendles is playing like a mid 20s version of himself same with Sidey. Players like Mcreery WHE Miochek Noble Cameron Murphy have gone to new heights that no one could foresee. Degoey is a consistent player now Taylor Adams is playing a team first role same as Mitchell. Its brilliant to watch what they have created.
Getting Daicos also helped no end

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[bzparkes]

That's laughable you say a Ferrari far from it. Eddie and Bucks were hurting that club and it had become stale. They had a good core to build with but it's the environment and the messaging and gamestyle that has changed that club. McRae and his coaching staff are incredible in being able to communicate the message build a team squad mentality and to make every player feel valued in the side that each ones role is just as important as anyone's.

Their list was around middle of the road but look at the improvements in players games on that list. Pendles is playing like a mid 20s version of himself same with Sidey. Players like Mcreery WHE Miochek Noble Cameron Murphy have gone to new heights that no one could foresee. Degoey is a consistent player now Taylor Adams is playing a team first role same as Mitchell. Its brilliant to watch what they have created.
Getting Daicos also helped no end

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Huh? Did they not already have nearly all those players when Macrae joined the club?