Coach Adam Simpson Megathread est. 2017 - Staying for 2024, Lyon’s Cryin’

[donpyke92]

Correct, we are not a ruthless club. We are a very conservative club. Which is why our time at the top is always very brief. It’s the clubs culture to be nice not ruthless.

I agree with this. Nisbett responsible for all departments including S&C, Development, Scouting, injury management, media dept...many, many things that the coach has no say in.
The buck stops at the top.

 

[Duggo81]

Huh? Did they not already have nearly all those players when Macrae joined the club?

Most of those players were not playing anywhere near the level they are now that's the point and hardly anyone could foresee the level that they have gone to. That is called good coaching and development not being handed A grade guns they finished bottom 4 when he took over.

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[bzparkes]

Most of those players were not playing anywhere near the level they are now that's the point and hardly anyone could foresee the level that they have gone to. That is called good coaching and development not being handed A grade guns they finished bottom 4 when he took over.

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Great.

Do you think our current list is capable of going to that level?

I don't.

 

[thebutterflyeffect]

Great.

Do you think our current list is capable of going to that level?

I don't.

I'm sure Collingwood supporters were saying the same thing in 2021.

 

[Keys]

What's the deal with soft cap?
If we pay out Simmo does that limit what we spend on a new coach?

On the same topic, I think a soft cap should be scrapped for medical staff, player welfare shouldn't be limited.

This is how the tax works noting that it increases each year you go over. This is also a graphic from last year so the cap of $6.2m is now $6.95m and increases to $7.2m next year I believe



Now if we were to sack Simpson, because of the compounding nature of the penalty we’d be better off paying him out in full and taking the cap hit in one year

A payout from now to the end of 2025 would put us over the cap by more than $500k so the tax would be 200%.

Essentially to sack him would cost 2 years salary plus a 200% tax, so if he’s on ~$800k the overall cost would be $1.6m in salary plus $3.2m to the AFL.

Very simplistically the club could be pissing away in the vicinity of $5m

 

[Priddis Is Done]

I think he pulls the pin himself. The unrelenting blowtorch will eventually crack him.

I'd say if North get heavily in his ear, depending on Clarko, then we'd see Simmo pack up stumps.

The effort was there for most of the season but yesterday was..... grim.

There are no quick fixes.

The WAFC should be implementing an external review in all facets and announce this today.

 

[Mop]

This is how the tax works noting that it increases each year you go over. This is also a graphic from last year so the cap of $6.2m is now $6.95m and increases to $7.2m next year I believe

View attachment 1693568

Now if we were to sack Simpson, because of the compounding nature of the penalty we’d be better off paying him out in full and taking the cap hit in one year

A payout from now to the end of 2025 would put us over the cap by more than $500k so the tax would be 200%.

Essentially to sack him would cost 2 years salary plus a 200% tax, so if he’s on ~$800k the overall cost would be $1.6m in salary plus $3.2m to the AFL.

Very simplistically the club could be pissing away in the vicinity of $5m

That's the sheet I was looking for in the other thread!

 

[greatwhiteshark]

This is how the tax works noting that it increases each year you go over. This is also a graphic from last year so the cap of $6.2m is now $6.95m and increases to $7.2m next year I believe

View attachment 1693568

Now if we were to sack Simpson, because of the compounding nature of the penalty we’d be better off paying him out in full and taking the cap hit in one year

A payout from now to the end of 2025 would put us over the cap by more than $500k so the tax would be 200%.

Essentially to sack him would cost 2 years salary plus a 200% tax, so if he’s on ~$800k the overall cost would be $1.6m in salary plus $3.2m to the AFL.

Very simplistically the club could be pissing away in the vicinity of $5m

A lot to every other club, ash tray money to the Eagles. But agree we will not do it unless Simpson wants out and they can agree on something.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

I think he pulls the pin himself. The unrelenting blowtorch will eventually crack him.

I'd say if North get heavily in his ear, depending on Clarko, then we'd see Simmo pack up stumps.

The effort was there for most of the season but yesterday was..... grim.

There are no quick fixes.

The WAFC should be implementing an external review in all facets and announce this today.

It’s hard for the WAFC now as they have allowed Nisbett to be the godfather of WA football.

 

[Mop]

A lot to every other club, ash tray money to the Eagles. But agree we will not do it unless Simpson wants out and they can agree on something.

On the outside, yes, but we all cop the same cap.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

On the outside, yes, but we all cop the same cap.

But we can pay the tax easy so no big deal.

 

[Mop]

But we can pay the tax easy so no big deal.

The tax is inside the cap. No we can't.

It is designed exactly so big clubs like us can't just flaunt it.

 

[Mop]

This is how the tax works noting that it increases each year you go over. This is also a graphic from last year so the cap of $6.2m is now $6.95m and increases to $7.2m next year I believe

View attachment 1693568

Now if we were to sack Simpson, because of the compounding nature of the penalty we’d be better off paying him out in full and taking the cap hit in one year

A payout from now to the end of 2025 would put us over the cap by more than $500k so the tax would be 200%.

Essentially to sack him would cost 2 years salary plus a 200% tax, so if he’s on ~$800k the overall cost would be $1.6m in salary plus $3.2m to the AFL.

Very simplistically the club could be pissing away in the vicinity of $5m

Don't forget whatever residual he's owed this year, essentially half a season, so 400k using your figures. Doubled to $800k

 

[thebutterflyeffect]

He's had a rough few seasons to say the least. Yes there is a chance change is what we need but I'm still inclined to back him in.

His biggest black mark had been his inability to maximise potential out of our next gen but fair to say there hasn't been a lot of talent for him to work with. Want to see him have an opportunity with the high level talent that had and will continue to come through the door in short term

 

[Tyberious Funk]

Great.

Do you think our current list is capable of going to that level?

I don't.

The point of the Collingwood example is that a list can look dire one moment, and then look like a million bucks when playing under a different coach.

Do I think our list is capable of playing at Collingwood's level? No idea.

Do I think our list is playing to it's full potential? Definitely not.

 

[Barrybran]

The point of the Collingwood example is that a list can look dire one moment, and then look like a million bucks when playing under a different coach.

Do I think our list is capable of playing at Collingwood's level? No idea.

Do I think our list is playing to it's full potential? Definitely not.

Which coach are we going to employ to get the 'full potential' out of the team that played yesterday?


FB
[42] Harry Edwards,[33] Rhett Bazzo,[14] Liam Duggan

HB
[23] Alex Witherden,[35] Josh Rotham,[5] Jayden Hunt

C
[19] Brady Hough,[4] Dom Sheed,[31] Jamaine Jones

HF
[44] Noah Long,[2] Jake Waterman,[24] Xavier O'Neill

FF
[21] Jack Petruccelle,[12] Oscar Allen,[40] Callum Jamieson

FOL
[32] Bailey J. Williams,[11] Tim Kelly,[3] Andrew Gaff

IC
[7] Reuben Ginbey,[18] Campbell Chesser,[29] Luke Foley,[36] Connor West

 

[ziad]

The point of the Collingwood example is that a list can look dire one moment, and then look like a million bucks when playing under a different coach.

Do I think our list is capable of playing at Collingwood's level? No idea.

Do I think our list is playing to it's full potential? Definitely not.

Many Pies played in 2018 and were unlucky to lose. They have recruited and drafted very well since.

There is plenty of modern speek about including synergy (old works were team play but with nuances included in Synergy). Essentially the team is stronger than the sum of individuals if they play great team footy.
Footy IQ - probably was just good footballers once. But players need the sense, physical capabilities, skill and instinct to play with synergy. All of our players were beaten by their opponent - physically and mentally. Only JJ appeared to lift above the contest to add value to the team.

Gaff was very poor but criticised when he kicked sideways from a set kick. Foward of him no team member offered movement to create space or offer a lead. The wide receiver was open and could have run as movement creates opportunities down field. None were given and none taken. Gaff did the right thing. The team didn't.

There is talk of team defence - but footy is also about team attack. Those without the ability can not do it - it's not in their DNA.


Essentially we have a team of poor footballers. None would dominate in the WAFL (no comment of 2-3 senior players and new kids intended).

It is the staff and system that failed to identify good players that is at fault.

 

[ziad]

Which coach are we going to employ to get the 'full potential' out of the team that played yesterday?


FB
[42] Harry Edwards,[33] Rhett Bazzo,[14] Liam Duggan

HB
[23] Alex Witherden,[35] Josh Rotham,[5] Jayden Hunt

C
[19] Brady Hough,[4] Dom Sheed,[31] Jamaine Jones

HF
[44] Noah Long,[2] Jake Waterman,[24] Xavier O'Neill

FF
[21] Jack Petruccelle,[12] Oscar Allen,[40] Callum Jamieson

FOL
[32] Bailey J. Williams,[11] Tim Kelly,[3] Andrew Gaff

IC
[7] Reuben Ginbey,[18] Campbell Chesser,[29] Luke Foley,[36] Connor West

Would it make the WAFL GF?

 

[Priddis Is Done]

I didn't give enough credit to how bad that loss was.

I feel sick.

 

[ziad]

I didn't give enough credit to how bad that loss was.

I feel sick.

I have declined to watch a replay.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Is this a caretaker conversation? I thought this was a who would potentially be available end of season

The post I was replying to said someone new should come in tomorrow.

 

[Woobla Stainz]

True but why are we seeing such limited improvement in players who have been on our list for a number of years? Oneil, Petch, H Edwards, Rotham, Foley etc

Their development coach is Jacob Brennon who was an even worse player than they are? What is he going to teach them? Again jobs for the boys instead of getting the best in the country.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Their development coach is Jacob Brennon who was an even worse player than they are? What is he going to teach them? Again jobs for the boys instead of getting the best in the country.

You know a good coach doesn’t necessarily have to have been a good player, right?

Brennan was colts coach at East Fremantle when they got Jackson, Rivers, Ruscoe, Warner, Sharp etc drafted. I’d think that was a reasonable resume for a development coach.

 

[Cuzz09]

Can we forfeit the rest of the season?

Actual question.

Just cop a fine and give the guys a rest and recover.

We ain't winning anything so why bother.

I think there's a rule:

"if play is not able to be commenced or if the General Manager - Football
Operations or other person designated by him determines that the Match should
not commence as provided in Regulation 31.3(b), the Match shall be deemed
to be forfeited and the Premiership Points awarded to the Club whose team was
positioned to commence play at that time (or in the case of a Pre-Season
Competition Match the Club whose team was positioned to commence play at
that time will be declared the winner of the Match). The percentage of each
Club shall also be adjusted by attributing the average winning score from the
relevant round of Matches to the Club awarded the Premiership Points and the
average losing score from the relevant round of Matches to the Club which
forfeited the Match. Forfeiture shall be in addition to any other sanction
contained in these Regulations."

Would be funny.

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[Duggo81]

Great.

Do you think our current list is capable of going to that level?

I don't.

Read my previous posts absolutely no chance

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