Coach Adam Simpson Megathread est. 2017 - Staying for 2024, Lyon’s Cryin’

[Ishmael_]

Inb4 Ben Wyatt is mooted as the heir apparent.

Former politician so he'd be well suited to the spin.

Give me all the spin in the world if it means the club hires someone that knows how to speak to the ****ing media.

BHP could flood a medium sized town and spin it better than our feckless spokespersons stumble over a potential trade.

 

[Ishmael_]

If Simpson is happy to be a lame duck coach for a few years, I'd much rather burn stupid money going over the soft cap to acquire other elite back office personnel.

Overpay to relocate or obtain:

• A list manager who at a minimum knows he's sticking around.
• A Koefed replacement.
• CEO
• Development coach
• Talent scouts
• Other miscellaneous positions that are under or wrongly staffed.

Then if Simpson gets the arse in a couple of years we have a fully stocked football department ready to go and a coach on first year money.

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

Amongst all this talk of Simmo and Nesbitt there is one man who is avoiding all of the media glare and fan’s ire.

Rohan “The Pieman” O’Brien.

He’s presiding over this shitshow of a list; both from a drafting and player retention perspective given his dual recruiting/list manager role.

I reckon the current North Melbourne head of football our list manager from 16-19 Brady Rawlings and Darren Glass for 19-20 have a fair bit to do with that. Oh and Vozzo ex list manager and footy boss the current CEO at Essendon. Plenty of cooks in this shit sandwich.

 

[Schofields_Lanyard]

Guys can we please stop this unfair targeting of my dear old dad?

I don't think you lot really understand just how much pressure he is under and how frail it is making him these days. Just this morning he barely cracked a grin after his daily routine of throwing the scalding dregs of his morning coffee out the window of the family Phantom at the homeless people on Wellington St. He didn't even yell at them about how they were in their situation because of their own bad choices! I mean, what's the point if getting out of bed if you can't find the joy in that anymore?

Please give him a break, we're supposed to be going to Hawaii at the bye to swim with the dolphins and I don't want him to cancel.

 

[Godfather32]

I reckon the current North Melbourne head of football our list manager from 16-19 Brady Rawlings and Darren Glass for 19-20 have a fair bit to do with that. Oh and Vozzo ex list manager and footy boss the current CEO at Essendon. Plenty of cooks in this s**t sandwich.

I don't think Glass had the chance to sit down in his seat before covid hit and he went elsewhere.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Hearing Nesbitt's going

Next CEO Toddy Nisbett

 

[Dugg]

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but that Nesbitt article stinks of a deliberate ploy from the club to make it seem like they are doing something, without actually doing anything.

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

I don't think Glass had the chance to sit down in his seat before covid hit and he went elsewhere.

Yeah a bit harsh given he only brought Witho in I retract Mr Glass. Mr Vozzo and Rawlings tho.

 

[Mulldogg]

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but that Nesbitt article stinks of a deliberate ploy from the club to make it seem like they are doing something, without actually doing anything.

Exactly. Dig out all the other articles about when he was going to leave. Wasn’t he supposed to be gone once MRP was finished? Joint has been open for about 2 or 3 years now.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

I reckon the current North Melbourne head of football our list manager from 16-19 Brady Rawlings and Darren Glass for 19-20 have a fair bit to do with that. Oh and Vozzo ex list manager and footy boss the current CEO at Essendon. Plenty of cooks in this s**t sandwich.

Yea well said Darren Glass really screwed WCE
That had a lot of people upset he left in such a bad way

 

[kaiserchief13]

Certainly helps the argument when you use a neutral word like “gone” rather than sacked.

Even "resigned" could be a situation where we are going to sack you if you don't quit

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

Yea well said Darren Glass really screwed WCE
That had a lot of people upset he left in such a bad way

I wish he stuck around. Always respected him as an player and ex-captain.

 

[Bacchus]

Exactly. Dig out all the other articles about when he was going to leave. Wasn’t he supposed to be gone once MRP was finished? Joint has been open for about 2 or 3 years now.

He never wants to go. Too much kudos and remuneration involved.

Will he even go now? Eighteen months is plenty of time to cook up reasons why he should stay.

Another cynical ploy.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Even "resigned" could be a situation where we are going to sack you if you don't quit

It sure could be.

But in Hardwick’s case, it isn’t.

 

[Godfather32]

Yeah a bit harsh given he only brought Witho in I retract Mr Glass. Mr Vozzo and Rawlings tho.

Hard to say really, did Rawlings for example leave because he saw the writing on the wall but no one would listen to him? I assume either he or Vozzo was responsible for showing Priddis the door even though he'd just triggered his contract extension. Would he have let it get to this point?
Vozzo was clearly killing time in other positions at the club and was meant to be the next CEO. When Trev stayed on instead of retiring like he should have 2 or 3 years ago he obviously found that CEO job elsewhere.

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

Hard to say really, did Rawlings for example leave because he saw the writing on the wall but no one would listen to him? I assume either he or Vozzo was responsible for showing Priddis the door even though he'd just triggered his contract extension. Would he have let it get to this point?
Vozzo was clearly killing time in other positions at the club and was meant to be the next CEO. When Trev stayed on instead of retiring like he should have 2 or 3 years ago he obviously found that CEO job elsewhere.

Who knows. I think it would be some juicy stories to come out of that period. Who picked Brander? Who thought sell the farm for Tim Kelly rather than slow rebuild? Sad we don't get the benefit of Vozzo compared to Nizzy but maybe Vozzo and Rawlings set the conditions by accident for our current shithouse situation.

 

[kaiserchief13]

It sure could be.

But in Hardwick’s case, it isn’t.

You don't know that. I posted facts.

 

[Godfather32]

Who knows. I think it would be some juicy stories to come out of that period. Who picked Brander? Who thought sell the farm for Tim Kelly rather than slow rebuild? Sad we don't get the benefit of Vozzo compared to Nizzy but maybe Vozzo and Rawlings set the conditions by accident for our current shithouse situation.

Yeah, it's hard to tell without knowing who's call it was re: Kelly & Brander etc.
Our biggest recruitment issue has been the same thing for the last 10 years, we lack the ability to identify, draft and develop genuine ball winners in the middle. Win the ball more in the middle of the ground and our forwards and defenders all look a hell of a lot better right now.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

You don't know that. I posted facts.

I don’t know that Margot Robbie wouldn’t leave her husband for me if I asked.

But I can make an educated guess.

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

Yeah, it's hard to tell without knowing who's call it was re: Kelly & Brander etc.
Our biggest recruitment issue has been the same thing for the last 10 years, we lack the ability to identify, draft and develop genuine ball winners in the middle. Win the ball more in the middle of the ground and our forwards and defenders all look a hell of a lot better right now.

And the ceremonial ****ing of our WAFL team by the WAFL old guard is not going to help that. Again the injuries have ruined the last 2 years because it's get flogged in the seniors or flogged in the Beagles. Next 2 years we got to get the availability better than it is then maybe we can get some development of what we pick in the next 2 drafts and what we already have.

 

[AnyDanger]

I think we all know a coach is highly unlikely to see out a rebuild this massive, but sacking Simpson at this point will achieve nothing but give people a head on a stake during a tough time. Who the coach is for the next couple of years isn't our biggest problem because nobody is getting anything out of this squad. If Simmo wants to stick around to see out his contract to take the bullets that will come, then maybe that gives his successor a cleaner run at it.

We all know what got us into this mess, a decade of poor drafting and list management. Our National draft selections (excluding rookie upgrades) read like an absolute dumpster fire.
2011 - M Newman, F McInnes
2012 - B Colledge, A Carter, M Hutchings
2013 - D Sheed, M Karpany, T Barrass, D Main
2014 - L Duggan, T Lamb, J Nelson, D Cavka, A Waterman
2015 - L Partington, T Cole, K Mutimer, M Allen
2016 - D Venables, J Rotham, W Rioli, J Waterman
2017 - J Brander, O Allen, L Ryan, B Ainsworth, J Petruccelle, H Brayshaw
2018 - X Oneil, L Foley, B Williams, J Cameron
2019 - C Jamieson, B Johnson
2020 - L Edwards, I Winder

Of our first selections from 2011 - 2017 only 2 remain, so were relying on a bunch of injured 30+ year olds to hold on. We weren't operating with top 10 picks during that time but there are far too many busts in that list for us to be competitive now. Nisbett has been a fantastic servant of the club but he really needs to take responsibly for the state of it now and its time for change. Getting an off field team in place that is going to nail the next 3-4 drafts and put the next premiership list together the only thing I care about at the moment. Coach talk is just noise.

 

[CountryLad]

The combined margin in those two grand finals doesn’t equal yesterday’s margin.

We’ve had one belting at the SCG over 72 points. It was in 1987 by 130 points, one of the few losses bigger in margin than yesterday. We were a fledgling side and Sydney played finals.

Yesterday was a contest between two of the clear bottom three teams this year. And it was a contest in name only because we got spanked. It wasn’t a top side spanking a bottom side. It was one of the non-competitive teams of 2023 making one of the other non-competitive teams of 2023 look like they belong several grades down.

That’s why people are calling it our worst loss ever. Point to bad days at Kardinia Park and bad days at the SCG all you like. In context, yesterday was clearly the worst we’ve ever shown.

With possibly the worst ever side put on the park ever for West Coast playing in Tasmania against a side that is usually hard to beat there.
This was coming after the Derby you can’t have the injury list we have accumulated and expect to stay competitive.

It was a WAFL side with a handful of AFL standard players vs a very average AFL side on a deck they play well. That’s the difference in standard between WAFL and AFL.

Who is going to do a better job coaching the side we put out there on the weekend and more importantly who would want to put there hand up to be given the keys to such a side. The outrage over Simpson right at the moment is over the top.

I understand fans hate losing in such a way there is zero enjoyment in it and if it was close to our full list available playing then yeah fold the ****ing club…..

Such a surprise that we had one of our worst loses with our worst ever named side……but of course its the coaches fault

I’m not a Simmo supporter, numerous times last year i said he wouldn’t survive a rebuild literally no coach does. However the last months results aren’t a true reflection of him as a coach or this club as a list it’s simply a matter of circumstance.

To actually borrow one of Simpsons quotes. “ things are never as good or as bad as they seem”

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

With possibly the worst ever side put on the park ever for West Coast playing in Tasmania against a side that is usually hard to beat there.
This was coming after the Derby you can’t have the injury list we have accumulated and expect to stay competitive.

It was a WAFL side with a handful of AFL standard players vs a very average AFL side on a deck they play well. That’s the difference in standard between WAFL and AFL.

Who is going to do a better job coaching the side we put out there on the weekend and more importantly who would want to put there hand up to be given the keys to such a side. The outrage over Simpson right at the moment is over the top.

I understand fans hate losing in such a way there is zero enjoyment in it and if it was close to our full list available playing then yeah fold the ******* club…..

Such a surprise that we had one of our worst loses with our worst ever named side……but of course its the coaches fault

I’m not a Simmo supporter, numerous times last year i said he wouldn’t survive a rebuild literally no coach does. However the last months results aren’t a true reflection of him as a coach or this club as a list it’s simply a matter of circumstance.

To actually borrow one of Simpsons quotes. “ things are never as good or as bad as they seem”

I haven’t once said it was Simpson’s fault. I’ve been pretty clear on what I think the major factor in all of this is - the catastrophic injury list and the fact that the club continues to insist it’s just a record-breaking series of unpredictable calamities and not a systemic issue.

But yesterday was appalling. There’s nothing that excuses a thrashing that bad to a team that mediocre.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

Simpson should do what Hardwick has done and go out with at least some dignity. The club can move forward with a clean slate.

 

[RookiePick]

I think we all know a coach is highly unlikely to see out a rebuild this massive, but sacking Simpson at this point will achieve nothing but give people a head on a stake during a tough time. Who the coach is for the next couple of years isn't our biggest problem because nobody is getting anything out of this squad. If Simmo wants to stick around to see out his contract to take the bullets that will come, then maybe that gives his successor a cleaner run at it.

We all know what got us into this mess, a decade of poor drafting and list management. Our National draft selections (excluding rookie upgrades) read like an absolute dumpster fire.
2011 - M Newman, F McInnes
2012 - B Colledge, A Carter, M Hutchings
2013 - D Sheed, M Karpany, T Barrass, D Main
2014 - L Duggan, T Lamb, J Nelson, D Cavka, A Waterman
2015 - L Partington, T Cole, K Mutimer, M Allen
2016 - D Venables, J Rotham, W Rioli, J Waterman
2017 - J Brander, O Allen, L Ryan, B Ainsworth, J Petruccelle, H Brayshaw
2018 - X Oneil, L Foley, B Williams, J Cameron
2019 - C Jamieson, B Johnson
2020 - L Edwards, I Winder

Of our first selections from 2011 - 2017 only 2 remain, so were relying on a bunch of injured 30+ year olds to hold on. We weren't operating with top 10 picks during that time but there are far too many busts in that list for us to be competitive now. Nisbett has been a fantastic servant of the club but he really needs to take responsibly for the state of it now and its time for change. Getting an off field team in place that is going to nail the next 3-4 drafts and put the next premiership list together the only thing I care about at the moment. Coach talk is just noise.

I have posted up this or very similar list a number of times over the years.

Our recruiting and development have been woeful.

We completely missed the memo on the emerging athletic profile required to play the game.

Look at that list of names and Venables is maybe the only one who had a chance of developing into a modern player with both burst speed, strength and endurance in equal measure. And the guy had a leather allergy.

Anyone with a hint of exceptional athletic potential has always come with a caveat - Cavka, Petch, Lamb.

Allen and Ryan are the only 2 names on that list that are A grade talents. 2 hits on top talent in a decade is just not good enough.

We recruited plodders and developed them into timid plodders.

Now we reap what we sowed.