Adelaide's decline

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

It was a hard draft to fu** up as well as pretty much every other player inside the top 10 has shown quite a bit in terms of ability and quite a lot of players in the teens and twenties have shown a lot as well. It was a great draft and it would have almost been hard to only get one okay player with 7 selections. Even hitting Cal Twomeys phantom draft with a dart to determine your selections would have yielded better results that year.

I always thought the biggest failure was not moving to pick 5 to get Conor Rozee. They just stepped aside and let Port Adelaide grab him despite being in a power position to offer more to get that pick. They also had the ability I think to coerce Gold Coast into giving up pick 3 if they simply shoved Brad Crouch there way and made the call to move him on then and there and back in Hugh Greenwood instead to play his career out in the middle for them

THe lack of foresight in that draft was the ultimate killer. As a Adelaide club with the hand they had and the level of talent coming out of S.A that year, too miss it completely is the biggest draft failure we have ever seen

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

Why do people keep bringing up Port 2011 in the conversation for worst team of the decade? Port 2011 weren't even the worst team of 2011.

Technically no, but the Suns and Giants in their foundation years were mostly a bunch of kids who weren't expected to win a single game, so they get excused as opposed to established clubs. It's why Neeld-era Melbourne (especially 2013) gets brought up in the conversation despite them not winning a spoon in either year during his tenure.

 

[Red Bull]

Pointless looking anywhere else until those running the show are held to account and removed.
The question is :
Is this possible the way things stand atm ?

 

[TheKITC]

Hamil, Butts and Scholl are tracking ok so far. Under any other coach the latter two would have debuted. Hamil played lockdown yesterday thanks to our star coaching panel. Ned and Jones need another year but are very concerning

But this was always the excuse used by Crows posters when Pyke was in charge, it cannot just be recycled now because it suits when defending the club. Nicks has played plenty of kids. Don't get me wrong, it's still fairly early and harsh to be judging that draft crop, but I don't see how that card can just be played over and over as we have seen.

Having said that, at this early stage it does appear that AFC have flubbed their selections in 2018. You would almost take any other players from that top 20 and the Crows had two nibbles at it. Doesn't look great, but still plenty of water to go under the bridge.

 

[TheKITC]

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Pointless looking anywhere else until those running the show are held to account and removed.
The question is :
Is this possible the way things stand atm ?

 

[Aussie_boy]

The 2018 draft was a absolutely killer for Adelaide

National 9 Chayce Jones - Averaging 8 disposals a game. How he is playing is beyond me. Looks slow, weak, poor disposer. Wont make it
National 16 Ned McHenry - Ditto the above except change the 8 to 10. Wknt make it
National 30 Will Hamill - Showed a few signs but goes missing alot and disposal is questionable. Wouldnt necessarily say he deserves a game atm
National 64 Lachlan Sholl - Yet to debut
Rookie 7 Kieran Strachan - Played first game yesterday and looked out of his depth
Rookie 24 Paul Hunter - Yet to play
Rookie 39 Jordon Butts - Yet to play

A ton of picks and really only 1 player id expect to be on the list in 3 years time in Will Hammill. It was a draft they had to hit and they missed it in every way possible

Hard to believe the Crows had a stronger draft hand at one stage than Port. I'd honestly give up all of those blokes for Duursma, who I rate least out of himself, Butters and Rozee. Still a good player who will have a long career.

 

[Dangerousfield]

I always thought the biggest failure was not moving to pick 5 to get Conor Rozee. They just stepped aside and let Port Adelaide grab him despite being in a power position to offer more to get that pick. They also had the ability I think to coerce Gold Coast into giving up pick 3 if they simply shoved Brad Crouch there way and made the call to move him on then and there and back in Hugh Greenwood instead to play his career out in the middle for them

THe lack of foresight in that draft was the ultimate killer. As a Adelaide club with the hand they had and the level of talent coming out of S.A that year, too miss it completely is the biggest draft failure we have ever seen

I can't have that, Richmond had five picks inside 18 at the 2004? draft and only managed Deledio whilst passing on some great players.

Melbourne, well they've made an art form out of stuffing up drafts, like Ricmond had five picks inside 20 in Scully's draft and botched the lot plus Watts over Nic Nat.

But we're heading to the top of the pile in botching drafts and where we are now means the go home factor will be huge for recent draftees and particularly this years

 

[Red Bull]

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People are asking questions of Nicks and the crows drafting/recruiting etc which is understandable but the real question is how and why these people are in these positions.
Who appointed Nicks and why ?
Who appointed young Reid and why ?
Who appointed Burton and why ?
Who commissioned Dunstall and why ?
Most Adelaide folk know the answers to the questions all too well.
The real question is, can anything be done about the core of the problem ?

 

[Rotayjay]

It was a hard draft to fu** up as well as pretty much every other player inside the top 10 has shown quite a bit in terms of ability and quite a lot of players in the teens and twenties have shown a lot as well. It was a great draft and it would have almost been hard to only get one okay player with 7 selections. Even hitting Cal Twomeys phantom draft with a dart to determine your selections would have yielded better results that year.

Like getting less than 25% in a four-option multiple choice test. We've failed to read so many tea leaves since 2017.

 

[BACCS]

It was a hard draft to fu** up as well as pretty much every other player inside the top 10 has shown quite a bit in terms of ability and quite a lot of players in the teens and twenties have shown a lot as well. It was a great draft and it would have almost been hard to only get one okay player with 7 selections. Even hitting Cal Twomeys phantom draft with a dart to determine your selections would have yielded better results that year.

Chayce Jones was an AA mid in his U18s year alongside Sam Walsh, the kid can play. Anyone who writes off a kid after less than 20 games usually has egg on their face in 5 years time. I remember when many thought Cotchin might be a bust at the start of his career as he could never get on the park and played in a terrible team.

Jones’ best game at the level came in round 23 last year where he had 18 and kicked 2 after Pyke refused to play him all season despite some BOG Sanfl games. His form is a result of the wider problem with our midfield, a poor midfield coach and senior players in the worst form of their careers.

If he had been picked by a team with a competent football program then he would have a RS nom by now and starting to show consistent games at this level. Chayce was always going first round that year and he fits the profile of the exact type of mid we need, but he’s got absolutely no hope of succeeding while the club is in its current hole.

 

[BACCS]

Hard to believe the Crows had a stronger draft hand at one stage than Port. I'd honestly give up all of those blokes for Duursma, who I rate least out of himself, Butters and Rozee. Still a good player who will have a long career.

This is also the problem with retaining our high end talent, they get absolutely crucified by supporters and local media if they aren’t performing like Rozee in their first season. Jones is playing in the worst team in the comp with a D grade coaching panel, until we get the off field right and clear out the deadwood on our playing list, he is going to struggle to develop at the rate we want him to. Again, anyone saying he’s never shown anything at AFL level (which is false) or is a bust after 15 games aren’t really worth listening to and I hope he’s avoiding this noise.

 

[Schulzenfest]

This is also the problem with retaining our high end talent, they get absolutely crucified by supporters and local media if they aren’t performing like Rozee in their first season. Jones is playing in the worst team in the comp with a D grade coaching panel, until we get the off field right and clear out the deadwood on our playing list, he is going to struggle to develop at the rate we want him to. Again, anyone saying he’s never shown anything at AFL level (which is false) or is a bust after 15 games aren’t really worth listening to and I hope he’s avoiding this noise.

Okay. So why did Rozee, Duursma and Butters all clearly outperform him last year when both sides were midtable and the Crows were led by a coach who took them to a grand final two years ago?

 

[TheKITC]

Okay. So why did Rozee, Duursma and Butters all clearly outperform him last year when both sides were midtable and the Crows were led by a coach who took them to a grand final two years ago?

This is a totally inconvenient question for Crows apologists mate.

This is a club whose supporters (not all, but i'd say most) have actually eaten up and believed that Crows are halfway through a rebuild. The 'rebuild' excuses have retro-actively been rolled out when in reality, the team selection and club decisions completely points the opposite way over the past couple of seasons and it's only now that they are a total dumpster fire that they are trotting it out. This is on the back of some of the most shameful cover ups, lying, mismanagement (in almost all facets), player negligence and shitting in fans faces over an extended period, yet a lot of them not only continue to accept it, but actually support it both financially and verbally.

Absolutely crazy.

 

[Red Bull]

This is a totally inconvenient question for Crows apologists mate.

This is a club whose supporters (not all, but i'd say most) have actually eaten up and believed that Crows are halfway through a rebuild. The 'rebuild' excuses have retro-actively been rolled out when in reality, the team selection and club decisions completely points the opposite way over the past couple of seasons and it's only now that they are a total dumpster fire that they are trotting it out. This is on the back of some of the most shameful cover ups, lying, mismanagement (in almost all facets), player negligence and shitting in fans faces over an extended period, yet a lot of them not only continue to accept it, but actually support it both financially and verbally.

Absolutely crazy.

They can always find another club to support ...

 

[backtozero]

They are worse then Port 2011. We have never seen a team at this low a level in modern AFL. THe real issue they have is the young players they are having are dreadful. They have the worst list of young players ive ever seen. IF we are doing a 25 and under team I think they have 3 or 4 spots filled at best

I think that would be generous.

 

[BACCS]

This is a totally inconvenient question for Crows apologists mate.

This is a club whose supporters (not all, but i'd say most) have actually eaten up and believed that Crows are halfway through a rebuild. The 'rebuild' excuses have retro-actively been rolled out when in reality, the team selection and club decisions completely points the opposite way over the past couple of seasons and it's only now that they are a total dumpster fire that they are trotting it out. This is on the back of some of the most shameful cover ups, lying, mismanagement (in almost all facets), player negligence and shitting in fans faces over an extended period, yet a lot of them not only continue to accept it, but actually support it both financially and verbally.

Absolutely crazy.

A lecture from a Carlton supporter, a team still sitting mid table after countless top 5 picks and multiple wooden spoons over the last 20 years, crazy year is 2020!

Unless you’re taking your opinion of Crows fans from Facebook, you couldn’t be more off the mark.

 

[BACCS]

I think that would be generous.

Fair call, Doedee would be our only certainty.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Only just hit me how bad the 2016/17 drafts were for Adelaide too btw

2016 draft

Jordan Galluci - Delistable for sure. Shown nothing
Myles Poholkle - Shown a tiny but but not enough
Elliot Himmelberg - Shown very little. Not too sure why Frampton and Fogarty arnt ahead myself
Matthew Signorello - Never played a game
Ben Davis - 2 games in 4 years. Delisted at years end?
Sam Shaw - Delisted already
Ben Jarman - Delisted already

2017 AFl draft

Darcy Fogarty - Injury prone and only shown some glimpses
Andrew McPherson - Ditto the above.
Patrick Wilson - 2 games only
Cam Ellis Yolmen - No longer on the list
Lachlan Murphy - 39 games is okay for a rookie, a decent battler but wouldnt want him in my team or a AFL list. Their version of Ashton Hams
Jackson Edwards - Delisted without a game

From 3 drafts id say Will Hammill is the most promisiong player they got and IMO ionly 3 players worthy of a AFL list so far in Hammill/Fogarty/McPherson and they are more of the battlers/flakey types too

WTF - Battlers & flakey types?

Hamill, Fogarty & McPherson have already shown they should be solid best 22 players.

2016 draft looks like a stinker though.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

They’ve been a remarkably competitive side since they came into the league. They’ll bounce back soon enough and perhaps be better for it having made necessary cultural changes. Surely there’s an off field clean out coming at the end of the season?
Once they are in a better position off field you would have to think they will have cap space to recruit well.

Improving the off field is the key to turning around the club & won't happen until Chapman & much of the board go.

The fish rots from the head.

 

[Private Hudson]

The 2018 draft was a absolutely killer for Adelaide

National 9 Chayce Jones - Averaging 8 disposals a game. How he is playing is beyond me. Looks slow, weak, poor disposer. Wont make it
National 16 Ned McHenry - Ditto the above except change the 8 to 10. Wknt make it
National 30 Will Hamill - Showed a few signs but goes missing alot and disposal is questionable. Wouldnt necessarily say he deserves a game atm
National 64 Lachlan Sholl - Yet to debut
Rookie 7 Kieran Strachan - Played first game yesterday and looked out of his depth
Rookie 24 Paul Hunter - Yet to play
Rookie 39 Jordon Butts - Yet to play

A ton of picks and really only 1 player id expect to be on the list in 3 years time in Will Hammill. It was a draft they had to hit and they missed it in every way possible

I had no clue McHenry was that high a pick. I actually just assumed he was a rookie list player.

 

[BACCS]

I had no clue McHenry was that high a pick. I actually just assumed he was a rookie list player.

He had 21 touches in the 2017 TAC Cup GF for Geelong Falcons and would’ve been taken by Geelong if Adelaide didn’t take him in the first round. Was always a first round prospect and has played 5 games at AFL level in a poorly structured forward line. Has also had back troubles which haven’t helped. Was really deadly for us around goals and pushed into the midfield as well in the SANFL last year and it was criminal Pyke continually ignored him for players like Douglas who eventually retired.

 

[TheKITC]

A lecture from a Carlton supporter, a team still sitting mid table after countless top 5 picks and multiple wooden spoons over the last 20 years, crazy year is 2020!

Unless you’re taking your opinion of Crows fans from Facebook, you couldn’t be more off the mark.

Bringing Carlton into this shows just how unwilling you are to actually have a legitimate conversation and is a tired, old attempt to deflect used by the worst type of posters. What club I support has absolutely no bearing on anything, but of course you would bring that up... it's classic.

This thread alone is full of those spouting those apologist opinions, let alone the Adelaide board. I'd suggest it's you who is way off the mark and trying to pretend otherwise.

 

[Papa G]

This is also the problem with retaining our high end talent, they get absolutely crucified by supporters and local media if they aren’t performing like Rozee in their first season. Jones is playing in the worst team in the comp with a D grade coaching panel, until we get the off field right and clear out the deadwood on our playing list, he is going to struggle to develop at the rate we want him to. Again, anyone saying he’s never shown anything at AFL level (which is false) or is a bust after 15 games aren’t really worth listening to and I hope he’s avoiding this noise.

Carn. The local media cup Adelaide's balls constantly. You blaming the local media for player retention issues is laughable.

 

[backtozero]

Carn. The local media cup Adelaide's balls constantly. You blaming the local media for player retention issues is laughable.

Exactly, its pretty much the opposite - they talk up new prospects to such a degree that the chance they meet those expectations is very slim.

In recent years they have compared guys to the best players in the comp and every indigenous player is the next McLeod or the next Goodes.

It was only a month or so ago they were comparing Fogarty to Modra. Its really setting them up to fail.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Carn. The local media cup Adelaide's balls constantly. You blaming the local media for player retention issues is laughable.

The AFL media including in SA is extremely poor. Rarely offer any analytical insight chasing website hits with sensationalism.

The Crows Ambassadors in the media are doing us no favours running a protection racket for the incompetents running my club.