2nds AFC 2022 SANFL Thread

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Disappointing not to make the GF, but not overly surprising. You have to have mature bodies in the midfield and we didn't. Add Crouch or Hately and we probably win.

On the positive side, that's 3 finals games that the young guys have experienced. It will be very valuable moving forwards.
We have also seen that Nankervis, Taylor and Worrell are AFL quality. We saw Pedlar has game breaking ability. And I'm sure we learnt enough about a few others to make some delistings.
 
1970crow said:
They’re already there with the 1s. Pretty simple stuff.
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It's not local footy, they're not all the same staff. And if they were, they wouldn't be able to do anything for the reserves because they'd all be busy getting the AFL side ready. Plus, all of that assumes both sides are playing at the same ground on the same day, and isn't possible if they're in different locations.
 
DJ75 said:
Disappointing not to make the GF, but not overly surprising. You have to have mature bodies in the midfield and we didn't. Add Crouch or Hately and we probably win.

On the positive side, that's 3 finals games that the young guys have experienced. It will be very valuable moving forwards.
We have also seen that Nankervis, Taylor and Worrell are AFL quality. We saw Pedlar has game breaking ability. And I'm sure we learnt enough about a few others to make some delistings.
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Yep this is my take - disappointing but the benefits for our 1 team will be enormous down the track
 

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ltdamn said:
It's not local footy, they're not all the same staff. And if they were, they wouldn't be able to do anything for the reserves because they'd all be busy getting the AFL side ready. Plus, all of that assumes both sides are playing at the same ground on the same day, and isn't possible if they're in different locations.
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I would think in a properly organised national reserves comp the games would be scheduled to reduce minimise costs for the reserves. You wouldn’t need too large a gap between games to get the support staff to be able to attend both. Plus you’re ignoring the reality that you could recruit local support staff that don’t require travel/accommodation. Do you need to train in Adelaide to run water in Melbourne?
 
1970crow said:
I would think in a properly organised national reserves comp the games would be scheduled to reduce minimise costs for the reserves. You wouldn’t need too large a gap between games to get the support staff to be able to attend both. Plus you’re ignoring the reality that you could recruit local support staff that don’t require travel/accommodation. Do you need to train in Adelaide to run water in Melbourne?
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The competition you are describing doesn't exist. If we joined the VFL as it stands today then what happens when we are playing Southport and the AFL team is elsewhere?

Secondly, even if it did exist like that, you could not use the same staff on the same day unless there was a huge gap between games, which would mean no one would attend the early match. You would need almost two of everyone, including medicos. Even if you could overlap some roles, it's still extra people who have to travel. And be accomodated. And fed.

Thirdly, if you just recruit extra people, there is still a soft cap on the football departments. Recruiting extra staff in each state would count towards that.

And once again, it is not local footy. The 'water runners' are not people who didn't get selected or played in the early game. They're actually qualified as physios or in other professions and you can't just recruit randoms to do the job like it's the ammos because they happen to be geographically convenient and have running shoes.

There is no feasible environment in which this is commercially or logistically viable outside of this forum, and barely any interest in it either. Working out a better arrangement with the SANFL is the best route forwards for both parties, regardless of what anyone wants.
 
Well done Mick good recognition for the stellar job you've done with the SANFL lads...:p:D



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Godden named AFL Development Coach of the Year

Godden took charge of the SANFL side in 2021
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Godden named AFL Development Coach of the Year​

Godden took charge of the SANFL side in 2021

Adelaide’s SANFL Coach Michael Godden has received national recognition by winning the AFL Coaches Association Development Coach of the Year Award.

Godden, who led the Crows from eighth in 2021 to a preliminary final and their best ever regular season record in 2022, received the honour as part of the AFLCA’s annual awards presentation on Tuesday night.

The Development Coach of the Year Award was reintroduced this year after last being presented in 2013 and previous winners include current Collingwood coach Craig McRae.

Godden won this year’s award from Fremantle’s Joel Corey and Brisbane’s Scott Borlace.

The award is determined by calculating rankings from players and coaches who are asked to rate the development coaches at their respective clubs based on their overall performance throughout the year.

Godden joined Adelaide as midfield coach in 2019 before taking charge of the Club’s SANFL team in 2021. Prior to that he spent almost a decade coaching in the SANFL at Woodville-West Torrens where he guided the Club to finals every year and a premiership in 2011.

Crows Senior Coach Matthew Nicks said Godden was a worthy winner of the award and the Club was thrilled for him.

“Mick is an extremely valuable member of our coaching group and this award is great recognition for all the work he puts in across both our AFL and SANFL programs,” Nicks said.

“It shows how highly valued and regarded he is by our players and coaches.

“He has a passion for helping others improve both individually and as a team, a strong work ethic, football expertise and genuine care for those around him.

“The performance of our SANFL team this year was very pleasing and Mick deserves a lot of credit for the development of our younger players who took significant steps in their AFL careers as well.”
 
Mutineer said:
Well done Mick good recognition for the stellar job you've done with the SANFL lads...:p:D



www.afc.com.au

Godden named AFL Development Coach of the Year

Godden took charge of the SANFL side in 2021
www.afc.com.au www.afc.com.au

Godden named AFL Development Coach of the Year​

Godden took charge of the SANFL side in 2021

Adelaide’s SANFL Coach Michael Godden has received national recognition by winning the AFL Coaches Association Development Coach of the Year Award.

Godden, who led the Crows from eighth in 2021 to a preliminary final and their best ever regular season record in 2022, received the honour as part of the AFLCA’s annual awards presentation on Tuesday night.

The Development Coach of the Year Award was reintroduced this year after last being presented in 2013 and previous winners include current Collingwood coach Craig McRae.

Godden won this year’s award from Fremantle’s Joel Corey and Brisbane’s Scott Borlace.

The award is determined by calculating rankings from players and coaches who are asked to rate the development coaches at their respective clubs based on their overall performance throughout the year.

Godden joined Adelaide as midfield coach in 2019 before taking charge of the Club’s SANFL team in 2021. Prior to that he spent almost a decade coaching in the SANFL at Woodville-West Torrens where he guided the Club to finals every year and a premiership in 2011.

Crows Senior Coach Matthew Nicks said Godden was a worthy winner of the award and the Club was thrilled for him.

“Mick is an extremely valuable member of our coaching group and this award is great recognition for all the work he puts in across both our AFL and SANFL programs,” Nicks said.

“It shows how highly valued and regarded he is by our players and coaches.

“He has a passion for helping others improve both individually and as a team, a strong work ethic, football expertise and genuine care for those around him.

“The performance of our SANFL team this year was very pleasing and Mick deserves a lot of credit for the development of our younger players who took significant steps in their AFL careers as well.”
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I might have a rethink about Godden. Never really rated him.

Fully understand this award is voted on by those who he coached and worked with. So some bias there.

The real test of this award is how our players develop.

And so far, so good.

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jo172 said:
Hadn't Jackson not played a game of footy in years prior to that though?
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Yes you are corrext.

  • Any delisted AFL player who has not played AFL or State League, or been on an AFL list for the past 12 months (previously 24 months), can be supplementary listed to play SANFL for AFC or PAFC.
  • A player who has served a minimum of 10 years on either Adelaide's or Port Adelaide's AFL list can be included on the supplementary (SANFL) List of the AFL club where they served the 10-year period.
  • Increasing the age range of interstate players AFL Clubs can include on their supplementary (SANFL) lists from 19 to 21 years to 19 to 23 years of age.
  • Adelaide and Port Adelaide would have access to Father-Son prospects in their 18th year, for a full season to play in their SANFL team - if they haven't already played League with their SANFL club. In this instance, the AFL club would pay the player's SANFL club a $5000 transfer fee.
  • Removal of a transfer fee for Next Generation Academy and Father-Son players in their 18th and 19th year, who are yet to play League Football at their SANFL club, allowing them an opportunity to play and train with their AFL-aligned SANFL club over a four-week period.
 

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  • Removal of a transfer fee for Next Generation Academy and Father-Son players in their 18th and 19th year, who are yet to play League Football at their SANFL club, allowing them an opportunity to play and train with their AFL-aligned SANFL club over a four-week period.
So Keeler could have played in our side for a 4 week period.
 
crows dude said:
  • Removal of a transfer fee for Next Generation Academy and Father-Son players in their 18th and 19th year, who are yet to play League Football at their SANFL club, allowing them an opportunity to play and train with their AFL-aligned SANFL club over a four-week period.
So Keeler could have played in our side for a 4 week period.
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PA have done it with Burgoyne, Mead and I can't recall but a Nth Adelaide player.
 
crows dude said:
  • Removal of a transfer fee for Next Generation Academy and Father-Son players in their 18th and 19th year, who are yet to play League Football at their SANFL club, allowing them an opportunity to play and train with their AFL-aligned SANFL club over a four-week period.
So Keeler could have played in our side for a 4 week period.
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What would the point be if we have no intention of drafting him which seems to be the case?
 
  • Removal of a transfer fee for Next Generation Academy and Father-Son players in their 18th and 19th year, who are yet to play League Football at their SANFL club, allowing them an opportunity to play and train with their AFL-aligned SANFL club over a four-week period.
I would like to see Adelaide manage the NGA players over 2 years and see if the improve the year post draft by training and playing in the SANFL team Maybe we could have developed a Leek Aleer.
 
PORT Adelaide and Adelaide have been granted more generous SANFL list concessions next season.

Three months after AFL club Port threatened to pull its reserves team out of the local league, claiming it played “under much stricter rules’’ than the eight stand-alone SANFL clubs, four list rules have been tweaked to give it and South Australia’s other AFL club, the Crows, a chance to build stronger top-up squads.

THEY INCLUDE ...

REMOVING the age clause of the marquee player: Previously restricted to signing a marquee/leadership player aged 26 or older, Port and Adelaide can now delve deeper into the market.

A spin-off could be signing an AFL draftable player they can secure for their AFL list in the contentious mid-season draft, rather than poach a player from another SANFL club, like the Crows did with Glenelg’s Brett Turner this year.

GREATER access to the SANFL rookie program: The two AFL clubs can now select one player, who must agree to the move, from a SANFL rival to participate in their rookie program (for 19-year-olds) without the chance of it being blocked by their original club.

Where a player is taken under this clause, their SANFL club will be financially compensated. Under the program, the player must be the first selected in the league team after AFL-listed players and the marquee man.

Father-son and Next Generation Academy players can opt into the program, giving Port and the Crows greater access to them and their development. North Adelaide’s Will Francou - son of former Power star Josh Francou - is understood to be one of the players on Port’s wishlist if he isn’t drafted.

IMPROVED salary cap: With the SANFL raising its salary cap from $210,000 this year to $300,000 next season, Port and Adelaide will be allowed to pay their SANFL-listed and marquee players more.

The base payment will rise from $1000 to $2000 and match payments from $250 to $350 while total base payments will double, from $5000 this year to $10,000 next season.

Marquee players will get a $5000 pay rise, up from $15,000 to $20,000, while their match payments will jump from $300 to $500.

LONGER player contracts: To rise from a maximum of one year to two to allow a player more club security.

Ratified by the South Australian Football Commission, the changes come after the annual review of the list rules and match conditions which govern the participation of SA’s two AFL clubs in the SANFL.

The stand-alone SANFL clubs will benefit from a tweak to the 10-year AFL player rule.

Previously Port and Adelaide were not required to pay a transfer fee for a player who had served a minimum of 10 years on their AFL list before being delisted and put on their SANFL supplementary list.

The player’s original SANFL club will now be financially compensated.

SANFL general manager football Matthew Duldig said this year’s rule changes “provided an opportunity for us to ensure the competitive balance between the AFL and SANFL clubs in our competition’’.

“We discuss and review the competition and rules and regulations on an annual basis, including those relating to the two AFL clubs,’’ he said.

“As a league, it’s important to continue to balance what’s best for football and the development of players in SA, ensuring we remain the best state league competition in the nation.

”We believe this year’s changes will have a positive impact across our competition for both young, aspiring SANFL players and the AFL clubs.’’
The rule changes should help appease Port and the Crows.

Port chairman David Koch and chief executive Matthew Richardson in August savaged the rules its club played under in the SANFL, saying “they mean our competitiveness is significantly impacted by the availability of AFL-listed players’’.

With a long injury list and Covid issues, Port finished eighth in the SANFL this year with a 5-13 win-loss record.

In contrast, Adelaide, which had a good injury run, finished second after the minor round with a 12-6 record before losing the preliminary final to eventual premier Norwood by 11 points.
 
chrisso crow said:
PORT Adelaide and Adelaide have been granted more generous SANFL list concessions next season.

Three months after AFL club Port threatened to pull its reserves team out of the local league, claiming it played “under much stricter rules’’ than the eight stand-alone SANFL clubs, four list rules have been tweaked to give it and South Australia’s other AFL club, the Crows, a chance to build stronger top-up squads.

THEY INCLUDE ...

REMOVING the age clause of the marquee player: Previously restricted to signing a marquee/leadership player aged 26 or older, Port and Adelaide can now delve deeper into the market.

A spin-off could be signing an AFL draftable player they can secure for their AFL list in the contentious mid-season draft, rather than poach a player from another SANFL club, like the Crows did with Glenelg’s Brett Turner this year.

GREATER access to the SANFL rookie program: The two AFL clubs can now select one player, who must agree to the move, from a SANFL rival to participate in their rookie program (for 19-year-olds) without the chance of it being blocked by their original club.

Where a player is taken under this clause, their SANFL club will be financially compensated. Under the program, the player must be the first selected in the league team after AFL-listed players and the marquee man.

Father-son and Next Generation Academy players can opt into the program, giving Port and the Crows greater access to them and their development. North Adelaide’s Will Francou - son of former Power star Josh Francou - is understood to be one of the players on Port’s wishlist if he isn’t drafted.

IMPROVED salary cap: With the SANFL raising its salary cap from $210,000 this year to $300,000 next season, Port and Adelaide will be allowed to pay their SANFL-listed and marquee players more.

The base payment will rise from $1000 to $2000 and match payments from $250 to $350 while total base payments will double, from $5000 this year to $10,000 next season.

Marquee players will get a $5000 pay rise, up from $15,000 to $20,000, while their match payments will jump from $300 to $500.

LONGER player contracts: To rise from a maximum of one year to two to allow a player more club security.

Ratified by the South Australian Football Commission, the changes come after the annual review of the list rules and match conditions which govern the participation of SA’s two AFL clubs in the SANFL.

The stand-alone SANFL clubs will benefit from a tweak to the 10-year AFL player rule.

Previously Port and Adelaide were not required to pay a transfer fee for a player who had served a minimum of 10 years on their AFL list before being delisted and put on their SANFL supplementary list.

The player’s original SANFL club will now be financially compensated.

SANFL general manager football Matthew Duldig said this year’s rule changes “provided an opportunity for us to ensure the competitive balance between the AFL and SANFL clubs in our competition’’.

“We discuss and review the competition and rules and regulations on an annual basis, including those relating to the two AFL clubs,’’ he said.

“As a league, it’s important to continue to balance what’s best for football and the development of players in SA, ensuring we remain the best state league competition in the nation.

”We believe this year’s changes will have a positive impact across our competition for both young, aspiring SANFL players and the AFL clubs.’’
The rule changes should help appease Port and the Crows.

Port chairman David Koch and chief executive Matthew Richardson in August savaged the rules its club played under in the SANFL, saying “they mean our competitiveness is significantly impacted by the availability of AFL-listed players’’.

With a long injury list and Covid issues, Port finished eighth in the SANFL this year with a 5-13 win-loss record.

In contrast, Adelaide, which had a good injury run, finished second after the minor round with a 12-6 record before losing the preliminary final to eventual premier Norwood by 11 points.
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Yeah but they didn't fix finals eligibility that makes us uncompetitive
 
Scorpus said:
Yeah but they didn't fix finals eligibility that makes us uncompetitive
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That's because it works perfectly now. Have the AFL teams in until it gets serious, then hope they crash and burn so the 'real' clubs can play the GF.
 
Scorpus said:
Yeah but they didn't fix finals eligibility that makes us uncompetitive
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Uncompetitive? They smashed Nwd by 55pts, lost to NA by 10pts and then lost to Nwd by 11pts. I'd hardly describe that as being "uncompetitive".

I'm not a fan of Port and Crows being in the SANFL, but can appreciate how important it is for both teams to be competitive to help the players develop.

I'm not wanting to get into a sh1t fight about this though, that has been done to death on many forums.
 
Mutineer what do you know about these two lads? Sturt just signed them.
Angus Anderson ex Swans VFL
Charlie Molan ex Williamstown/Greater Western Victorian Rebels.
 
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