Autopsy AFL 2021 Round 10 - Crows v Demons Sat May 22nd 4:35pm EST (AO)

[ok.crows]

Think the Keays non-call was consistent with the way it was not paid throughout the game.

I think Keyas got a handball out, and he did so in far less time than some Melbourne players who were tackled did.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

Numbers are irrelevant. A kick on the full is a free kick. Thats hardly a contentious decision

sure, the certainty or not of decisions made during a game will be described by a distribution. It would be interesting to debate the shape of that distribution, I believe the vast majority of decisions can be viewed differently by different perspectives and as such the Law of Large Numbers applies.

If not, there wouldn't be so much shouting at umpires during games, right?!

 

[WetCrow1991]

It doesnt look like though is possible from that angle, but the way he didnt appeal for the free made me think he might have done.

His arm definitely chops Murray's arm as the ball is being handballed.

 

[tiger_tough]

I still think Spargo touched the ball last

Just saw it, me too.

 

[Stabby McGee]

Oh well. Fun while it lasted. Congratulations to the Crows. I quite enjoyed the free flow of much of the game if not the result, and hey 9-1 with the only loss by a point... shit I’d have sold one of my kids for that in February

 

[Alwaysacrow]

What does a 23-24 free kick count have to do with umpires throwing the whistle away in the final minute and not penalising the Crows for two blatant infringements?

1. the non-HTB decision against Keays which led directly to Walker's go-ahead goal from the next bit of play.
2. the non-Deliberate decision against Murray which prevented Melbourne from taking the potential game-winning shot from 15m out.

If that happened to Richmond, you would throw your television across the room.

Anyone who claims that umpires don't decide the outcome of football matches needs to watch a replay of today's game and concentrate on what occurred in the final minute. They literally decided the game with two incorrect 'play on' calls.

In regard to the non holding the ball decision, Keays did get a handball away if you watch it closely and non holding the ball decisions were happening all game. The other decision was probably very lucky for the Crows.

 

[WetCrow1991]

In regard to the non holding the ball decision, Keays did get a handball away if you watch it closely and non holding the ball decisions were happening all game. The other decision was probably very lucky for the Crows.

Just as the touched Langdon kick was lucky for the Dees.

 

[Shaunbkk]

Taylor W*anker

A 3 year old could make a more intelligent comment Perhaps you are 2?

 

[LightTower4]

Melbourne hardly the team to be using last premierships as a point score.....

he barracks for Richmond

 

[Shaunbkk]

If you can’t appreciate why they are exuberant right now, then you have lost touch with what footy is really about.

Stay in your rugby state

 

[Hollow Knight]

Stay in your rugby state

Um, not sure what that is about, but ok.

 

[BACCS]

Fox actually showed an angle where the Melbourne dude is knocking the ball. I don't know how to do GIFS but in motion you can see the ball sharply change direction.
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Umpire has a clear view of it.

Brad Johnson was having a cry over the top about how the whole footy world knows it was a bad call. Smiling Assassin? Pfft more like THE FROWNING ASSASSIN

This is why the deliberate wasn’t paid, Melbourne player touches it as Murray handballs. If you watch live the ball definitely deviated from the handball too. Anyway, there were iffy decisions all night (especially with throwing), this didn’t decide the game.

 

[Crow till I die]

Why concentrate on the final minute? Why not look at the numerous times when Melbourne players were tackled and took an age to get rid of the ball, or the goals that Melbourne got from highly dubious frees to get up in the middle of the last quarter in the first place, or the goal that was awarded to Melbourne after being touched?

Amen

 

[BACCS]

Happy to see Adelaide with the big upset but that non HTB and deliberate call were an absolute travesty. I would be absolutely filthy if that happened to the Swans.

I was pretty shitty when they didn’t overturn a goal from Melbourne that was touched. I was shitty when they paid a throw against us as we were running into an open goal (replay showed it wasn’t a throw). I was shitty Oliver was throwing it and not getting paid in the first half. I’m not sure if you watched the whole game, but they let a contest go in the 3rd quarter when most umpires would have called for a ball up 30 seconds earlier, Keays still handballed it out and players were given time to dispose of it all game, it’s one thing they were consistent with allowing.

 

[Alwaysacrow]

Taylor W*anker

Talking about yourself? That post proves what you are.

 

[Crow till I die]

Irrespective of the result, we do acknowledge that:

Sometimes:

You get a good rub of the green
You get a poor rub of the green
Both sides are equally advantaged and disadvantaged by umpiring

That's part and parcel with the game.

What we don't like:

Inconsistencies in umpiring. You're arguing that both sides had good and bad calls which by your own admission admit that the umpiring is inconsistent. The way I look at it is we want to remove the obvious poor decisions from our game (Howlers). Most people would accept a bad rub of the green over 50/50 decisions as a part of the game. Missing an obvious HTB 30 seconds after pinging another player for HTB is where we have a serious problem.

And paying a push in the back tgat results in a melbourne goal that was clearly not a push in the back is just as bad as was calling a handball a throw against a crow that led to a melbourne goal was just as bad. So for those 2 bad calls against melbourne we can show plenty of bad calls that cost the crows during the game..ho hum

 

[tropicaltiger]

Looks like ppl in here watched 1 min of umpiring

surprised not more pointing the finger at kozi pickett, he should have gobbled that mark up

 

[JHF1870]

And paying a push in the back tgat results in a melbourne goal that was clearly not a push in the back is just as bad as was calling a handball a throw against a crow that led to a melbourne goal was just as bad. So for those 2 bad calls against melbourne we can show plenty of bad calls that cost the crows during the game..ho hum

The standard is poor

 

[ok.crows]

As a neutral. The Ump decided he wanted to get out of the ground alive, so he lost the pea out of his whistle twice in the last sixty seconds.

The AFL hierarchy have utterly butchered the interpretation on the Holding the ball decision.

Keyas got a handball away, and he did it in less time in the tackle than many occasions when Melbourne players were tackled and took ages to get rid of the ball at other times in the same game.

Compare those circumstances to what happened with 30 seconds to go. Less physical pressure at the time. A possession that gained no actual forward position for his team. Absolutely not wanting to give away a point. Handball. And in the umpires mind, it wasn’t an “insufficient attempt to keep the ball in play”. What, because he didn’t kick it?

No ... it was because Melbourne's Spargo was the last player to touch it before it went out of bounds. This is clearer from other angles.

 

[queensberryrules]

Again, Tex has been IMMENSE. I love the comeback story. Quite inspirational after the hammering he got since 17.

 

[Crow till I die]

As a neutral. The Ump decided he wanted to get out of the ground alive, so he lost the pea out of his whistle twice in the last sixty seconds.

The AFL hierarchy have utterly butchered the interpretation on the Holding the ball decision. I really don’t think it’s that hard to adjudicate. Yet we seem to have come up with an interpretation that is the least sensible to go with at the moment.

Last nights game Lions Vs Tigers, on two occasions players were in the process of being tackled, yet kicked it forward by 40 meters to their teams advantage. On both occasions the tackle effected the players ability to kick the ball straight. Yet when the ball went out of bounds, it was “insufficient attempt to keep the ball in play” and a free paid.

Compare those circumstances to what happened with 30 seconds to go. Less physical pressure at the time. A possession that gained no actual forward position for his team. Absolutely not wanting to give away a point. Handball. And in the umpires mind, it wasn’t an “insufficient attempt to keep the ball in play”. What, because he didn’t kick it?

Bizarre. The Ump needs to ask himself if he would have paid it if he kicked it that way. Or if he’d kicked it 20 meters forward and out of bounds. It was actually more than an insufficient attempt to keep the ball in play. It was the old school interpretation of deliberate.

Agree he wanted to get out alive. After what he dished up against the crows for the preceding 3.9 quarters he no doubt had tge benny hill music in his head thinking of the crowd chasing him

 

[Demonic Ascent]

There were 2 clear htb non calls in the Crows forward 50 earlier in the game, at least Keays disposed of the ball correctly unlike the Melbourne players. That's how the game goes, you focus on the one or two things near the end as if they any more important than the umpiring earlier.

Hell, the two incidents in the last 40 seconds were as much free kicks as Langdon's goal was touched.

There's heaps of examples of poor umpiring you can pick. The deliberate call in the 1st, the free against Lever for a push, the 50 against Gawn all very iffy calls that cost goals. Demons got one back with the Petracca holding call and I'm sure there would be others you could point out. I think everyone can agree the umps are shit and they're not the reason we lost.

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

Don't go there, not in the same realm. Adelaide played brilliant football but not a deserved win.

Lol did the crows touch you or something

 

[tiger_tough]

No ... it was because Melbourne's Spargo was the last player to touch it before it went out of bounds. This is clearer from other angles.

How has no one in the media picked this up yet? No doubt it came off Spargo. The ump Might’ve even missed it but without doubt dees touched it last. Correct call....fortunately

 

[tropicaltiger]

well done crows you deserved to win and bad luck Melbourne you squandered it and choked