AFL club insider claims their side tanked...

[wicksy]

Wicksy, we tanked the last game in 05. Get yourself a copy of the game.

Carlton had nothing to gain and a lot to lose. Its the AFL who should be held accountable for allowing this priority pick to still continue.

We were decimated with injuries in 05 and legitimately lost 21 of those games.
Carlton started tanking with at least 6 games to go.
I know the system is wrong but I don't recall hearing Collingwood supporters cheering for us to lose.

 

[Junior23]

Mark Riley has real mongrel in him, if at r22 last year he was locked in to be coaching the Dees this year, he would have without doubt thrown that match, even if it meant putting an extra player on the field to cause a forfeit.

The question I have is.. did Mark Riley already have a deal done for the assitants job at Carlton prior to Round 22??

 

[RoK]

When did i lie mate??? When did i say we didn't tank? wasn't even part of my post. Can you read? i said your club is a joke and a disgrace and has won in the past as a result of cheating. any of this untrue einstein?

So whatg you are saying is if we tank it's bad but when the pies do it over and over it ok?

You twat.

 

[Daytripper]

What was "fishy" about it? That makes no sense. Only a moron would have backed Carlton in that game.

What about the bookmakers who lost on the game ?

Mate, you really have to start looking at the bigger picture here.

 

[RoK]

Mark Riley has real mongrel in him, if at r22 last year he was locked in to be coaching the Dees this year, he would have without doubt thrown that match, even if it meant putting an extra player on the field to cause a forfeit.

The question I have is.. did Mark Riley already have a deal done for the assitants job at Carlton prior to Round 22??

Now this is somthing new

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

There is nothing he is saying that is evidence. It is all hearsay, innuendo and assumption on his behalf and coming from someone who was sacked it is not very reliable.

He is only saying that "Carlton changed the focus from winning games in 07 to building for 2008" which is what all football clubs do. He brings nothing new to the debate.

Exactly. Not many others seem to see it for what it is worth. They are all tabloids.

 

[wicksy]

Oh yes for sure..


You are a fool if you really think that.

As for saying that about him is just plain wrong mate he was a great player and a top bloke he loves the club and he has said his son did not put in the work so he lost his spot.

You have no face and do not love your club you just love to mouth off hiding behind ya mum computer you little bitch.

Excuse me...?? What gives you the right to question my opinion!!!

My Mums computer? Is that a bad attempt at a Mum joke?

 

[Daytripper]

Spot on. Plenty of precident around the world, where betting agencies, especially an exchange agency have a requirement to highlight "fishy" results or odd bets.

But this is Carlton, so nothing is going to happen

We only have to look at whats happened with the tennis betting.

All bets refunded on certain matches.

 

[skipper kelly]

3rd and final call for JD and The Fireman.

 

[ManWithNoName]

3rd and final call for JD and The Fireman.

Their right hands are otherwise engaged.

 

[harmesy 37]

"Brett Thornton didn't need surgery."

"The coaches weren't sad after losing to Melbourne in Rd 22"

Reason I'm quoting him in posts is so when people discuss it later they have quotes to go by. Don't yell at me

re quote 1 above - i never knew liba was a doctor as well as all his other talents.


re quote 2 - about not being sad about losing one game..

After 72 losses between 2002 and 2005 alone...never mind the extra 35 or so losses in the last two years... how can you possibly be sad about one solitary loss at the end of another dismal season.

yeah, let's all flog carlton for doing what collingwood, bulldogs, eagles to name just three teams have done within the last 10 years -and that is prepare for the following season before round 22.

 

[thegrach]

Bah unfounded gossip/allegations without any tangible proof whatsoever.

Don't think the AFL will bother investigating this minor issue IMHO

 

[douls]

What about the bookmakers who lost on the game ?

Mate, you really have to start looking at the bigger picture here.

Well, TAB were not taking bets on the game actually.
The big picture? Exactly what did we do differently to other clubs? You're also taking Libba's word as gospel.

 

[BlueDW]

The system may be flawed, but Carlton are cheats. Always have been and always will be.

Isn't the AFL investigating them again for salary cap issues....

Hypocrite. Basically what was said by Libba wouldnt have been said if he was kept on as an assistant coach, and he would have had more cred had he raised it when he was still at the club. BTW, FWIW, I think we did tank, and I dont agree it is good for the game, having said that the club made their decisions within the rules as they stand.

 

[douls]

We only have to look at whats happened with the tennis betting.

All bets refunded on certain matches.

What, when the underdog losses? Again, they were not taking bets on the game.

 

[didak04]

So whatg you are saying is if we tank it's bad but when the pies do it over and over it ok?

You twat.

ok, you're clearly a little slow. the word tank didn't appear in my post once. I said you were cheaters, and i said you were a disgrace. As for us "tanking" the over and over bit i'd like to see you bring up any exampels other than the ones about Thomas and Pendlebury. We've rebuilt since then, yet you have has 3 number 1 picks, and a number 2 pick and are still wallowing at the bottom of the ladder. I know it is hard for you to admit that your club is a pathetic joke but sorry, it is

 

[dmc333]

3rd and final call for JD and The Fireman.

I was hoping they'd be here by now, I'm terribly disappointed in them.

 

[Daytripper]

Well, TAB were not taking bets on the game actually.
The big picture? Exactly what did we do differently to other clubs? You're also taking Libba's word as gospel.

I work for a sports bookie and we did our arse on that game. Unfortunately we didn't have the option of just shutting up shop.

And the TAB were betting on that game. They were also betting on the wooden spoon winner which that last game directly affected as well as all sorts of multiple bets.

 

[MeeSo]

What about the bookmakers who lost on the game ?

Mate, you really have to start looking at the bigger picture here.

How do you stop it? The AFL can't OK which players are sent for season ending surgery. They can't control team selection. As long as the priority pick is in place then it's not the club's fault for taking advantage.

 

[Borgsta]

whoops. cheers for pointing it out, I've got some editing to do

So does Chief

 

[M.O.T.H.]

AFL have an integrity agreement with the TAB and Betfair.

Where do they stand now if the bookies decide to sue the AFL for losses incurred on that Carlton v Melbourne match ?

There are much wider implications here.

Agree but this sheet's been going on for years - Carlton in 2006 (Gibbs), Collingwood in 1999 (Fraser) are other seasons that stand out like my dog's proverbials.

AFL (and Govt?) must now act. If it was the horse racing industry the racing clubs and the government would have been all over it many years ago.

 

[The Casey Cat]

All Libba did was just confirm what the rest of the football world always suspected.

Yep. A mega huge deal is going to be made of this but really is it nothing we did not already know? Carlton definitely not the only club to do it either.

Problem is as ignorant as the AFL are with this I can see them just looking into/sanctioning/warning Carlton and saying there is no problem apart from that, when the main issue here is not Carlton (as much as I hate them) but their hopeless system.

 

[FOOOOTY]

one line that Hutchy swept under the carpet...

Libba: "well you approached me"...

hmmm anyone else catch that bit? Hutchy fishing for a story?

You do know what journalists do..? don't you?

 

[Effes]

http://www.finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1186&SeasonID=2005

Why did Danny Jacobs season end so abrutly after round 20? His ranking score would indicate there was no problem at all with him, but he didn't play anymore games (including the round 21 game against Richmond which Hawthorn WANTED to lose)

http://www.finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=717&SeasonID=2005
Chris Tarrant didn't play any more games after the Round 18 game against Fremantle in 2005.

At the bottom of this article from 8/8/05
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,16194086-23209,00.html

And Magpies full-forward Chris Tarrant may be in line for season-ending surgery, depending on the result of a knee scan tomorrow.

Of course he was going to be in line for season-ending surgery

 

[Daytripper]

What, when the underdog losses? Again, they were not taking bets on the game.

I don't think you understand sports betting.
No offense.