Preview AFL Rd 22 - Collingwood v WCE - MCG Friday night - Changes and Prematch Discussion

[blaze036]

Pendles said in a post game interview on SEN that we missed Q 3-4 times with poor delivery (which of course was effected by the windy conditions).

Half the reason we missed him is he is about as quick as my grandma and players don't take that into account when laying a regulation pass out in front of him

 

[neilk]

I watched the Richmond game on the T-Box an Sunday to kill time and Q was very good and really ran hard, and quite fast, to get to the play. I was at the game on Friday night and Q looked to be struggling to get out of a fast jog. There was no comparison between the early Q and the Q I saw live on Friday night.

 

[Scodog10]

Food for thought everyone. With 2 games remaining the highest we can finish is 5th and the lowest we can finish is 7th basically all that can happen from here is that teams 5-7 rotate. With that in mind we are assured of playing at the G in week one and we should strongly consider resting players as a freshen up before finals.

Pendles, Swan, Sidey and Cloke have missed one game between them this year. We could do a lot worse than looking to rest them over the next fortnight as a freshen up before the finals and in the same instance give some of the guys in the VFL a chance to stake their claim...

Outs: Cloke, Pendles, Sinclair, Elliott and Sidey
In: Didak, Martin, Krakouer, Seedsman and Paine

It's probably unlikely to happen and may not be a popular opinion, but from we're we sit if we're to win the flag we will have to win 4 finals in a row with one most like to be based interstate. IMO giving a couple of the stars a week off heading into the finals, with our first final venue not being placed in jeopardy by doing so, has to at least be an option.

FWIW Sydney lost 3 of their last 4 heading into September last year (and may very well do the same this year) so I'd have no qualms with losing 2 of our last 3 because we all saw what our best is capable of just over a week ago and its producing our best when it counts that really matters!

 

[PerthBoy87]

I know you're not the biggest Krakouer fan but this is getting quite tiresome - he's only played 8 games for a start - only 40%. He basically won us that Geelong game with 3 goals, 2 in the last quarter when we couldn't buy a goal. When we were miles behind against Adelaide he basically brought us back into that game and kicked 3 in the second quarter when we needed them. Then he also kicked 2 against Freo when the whole team only kicked 10, and was reasonable against Brisbane and Carlton with 15 touches and a few shots in both. His only poor games have been against St Kilda - his first game of the year - and the Gold Coast one where he had one kick and was subbed off, and was rightfully dropped.

He hasn't had the greatest year, but saying "he's failed time and time again" is way off the mark.

I have been saying this on this forum for a while now. Good to see someone else is saying the same thing.

 

[mattys123]

Food for thought everyone. With 2 games remaining the highest we can finish is 5th and the lowest we can finish is 7th basically all that can happen from here is that teams 5-7 rotate. With that in mind we are assured of playing at the G in week one and we should strongly consider resting players as a freshen up before finals.

Pendles, Swan, Sidey and Cloke have missed one game between them this year. We could do a lot worse than looking to rest them over the next fortnight as a freshen up before the finals and in the same instance give some of the guys in the VFL a chance to stake their claim...

Outs: Cloke, Pendles, Sinclair, Elliott and Sidey
In: Didak, Martin, Krakouer, Seedsman and Paine

It's probably unlikely to happen and may not be a popular opinion, but from we're we sit if we're to win the flag we will have to win 4 finals in a row with one most like to be based interstate. IMO giving a couple of the stars a week off heading into the finals, with our first final venue not being placed in jeopardy by doing so, has to at least be an option.

FWIW Sydney lost 3 of their last 4 heading into September last year (and may very well do the same this year) so I'd have no qualms with losing 2 of our last 3 because we all saw what our best is capable of just over a week ago and its producing our best when it counts that really matters!

There's no real need to freshen players up. We will have breaks of 7, 9, and 7 leading into our first final after having 3 consecutive 6 day breaks recently. If we were to rest anyone it would have made sense to do it against Hawthorn, but of course that was never going to happen.

Having said that if anyone is carrying any niggle that could be improved by a week off, then yeah give them the game off over the next two weeks.

We'll smash whoever we play in week one, that I'm confident of, but with a probable 6 day break to round 2 of the finals that's when we'll need to be at our best or our season will end.

 

[Stripes B and W]

I have been saying this on this forum for a while now. Good to see someone else is saying the same thing.

With Krak not playing VFL last week, would have to be no chance to be playing AFL this week.
I have no real knowledge but i would think he has used up a few 'leave passes' this season.

On the plus side, there is no doubt he has a very high scoring or score involvement rate to possesions gained ( in the AFL). Also he is a very accurate kick for goal within 45 m as well as a generally good short kick and that rare knack of being able to influence a game in a short space of time. Skills and talents not all that abundant in our group at the moment.

 

[premierpies13]

Out - Blair, Elliot, Sinclair
In - Kennedy, Krakoeur, Martin

 

[Trebor57]

I don't think it's a situation that Jolly cannot jump, just that every time he does jump the ground follows him.​

Bucks mentioned today: Grundy in number one ruck at the moment/on form; a Grundy/Jolly combo may work; Lynch played poorly against Hawthorn.​

Frome those comments, one could assume a Jolly for Lynch scenario.​

Classic. But don't worry, Cox doesn't seem to jump half the time either.

 

[good4footy]

Elliot was actually good up forward for us. What a stupid omission.

Only because he is injured - not on form.

 

[rayza esguerra]

krak and dids, play them together with beams, ball, pendle, swan and the rest of the players that won 2010 premiership. that would be the mix for me. and those players that is not there anymore, will just fill the spots with the young blokes like j.thomas and marley williams i like this bloke not bad for a kiwi

 

[rayza esguerra]

I have been saying this on this forum for a while now. Good to see someone else is saying the same thing.

don't doubt krak.

 

[rayza esguerra]

don't doubt krak.

sorry guys i just like the bloke, i only only watch footy cause of him. skilful player good to watch ( skills to pay the bills ) haha

 

[rayza esguerra]

don't doubt krak.

perthboy your a ledge

 

[PieNSauce]

Food for thought everyone. With 2 games remaining the highest we can finish is 5th and the lowest we can finish is 7th basically all that can happen from here is that teams 5-7 rotate. With that in mind we are assured of playing at the G in week one and we should strongly consider resting players as a freshen up before finals.

Pendles, Swan, Sidey and Cloke have missed one game between them this year. We could do a lot worse than looking to rest them over the next fortnight as a freshen up before the finals and in the same instance give some of the guys in the VFL a chance to stake their claim...

Outs: Cloke, Pendles, Sinclair, Elliott and Sidey
In: Didak, Martin, Krakouer, Seedsman and Paine

It's probably unlikely to happen and may not be a popular opinion, but from we're we sit if we're to win the flag we will have to win 4 finals in a row with one most like to be based interstate. IMO giving a couple of the stars a week off heading into the finals, with our first final venue not being placed in jeopardy by doing so, has to at least be an option.

FWIW Sydney lost 3 of their last 4 heading into September last year (and may very well do the same this year) so I'd have no qualms with losing 2 of our last 3 because we all saw what our best is capable of just over a week ago and its producing our best when it counts that really matters!

This is always a hard call and in some circles would be described as flirting with form. That said there's certainly merit if players are carrying niggles but otherwise I wouldn't see the need.

 

[DaVe86]

It took us 20 rounds to get our side together...and now that it's finally settled we would be crazy to rest players. These guys need the next 2 weeks together to run into peak form.

If we had a double chance and were comfortably clear in the top 4 I would consider it. However, we need a lot to go right for us from here to go deep in September.

If anyone has niggles, of course they should be rested. But otherwise all fit players must play.

 

[SloppyJoe]

Food for thought everyone. With 2 games remaining the highest we can finish is 5th and the lowest we can finish is 7th basically all that can happen from here is that teams 5-7 rotate. With that in mind we are assured of playing at the G in week one and we should strongly consider resting players as a freshen up before finals.

Pendles, Swan, Sidey and Cloke have missed one game between them this year. We could do a lot worse than looking to rest them over the next fortnight as a freshen up before the finals and in the same instance give some of the guys in the VFL a chance to stake their claim...

Outs: Cloke, Pendles, Sinclair, Elliott and Sidey
In: Didak, Martin, Krakouer, Seedsman and Paine

It's probably unlikely to happen and may not be a popular opinion, but from we're we sit if we're to win the flag we will have to win 4 finals in a row with one most like to be based interstate. IMO giving a couple of the stars a week off heading into the finals, with our first final venue not being placed in jeopardy by doing so, has to at least be an option.

FWIW Sydney lost 3 of their last 4 heading into September last year (and may very well do the same this year) so I'd have no qualms with losing 2 of our last 3 because we all saw what our best is capable of just over a week ago and its producing our best when it counts that really matters!

Strong post. Pies match committee please take note.

 

[MyManLynch]

It took us 20 rounds to get our side together...and now that it's finally settled we would be crazy to rest players. These guys need the next 2 weeks together to run into peak form.

If we had a double chance and were comfortably clear in the top 4 I would consider it. However, we need a lot to go right for us from here to go deep in September.

If anyone has niggles, of course they should be rested. But otherwise all fit players must play.

Only 3 players have played all 20 matches so far - Pendles, Swan & Steel (half a dozen have played 19).
I agree, keep the team stable & only rest if injured or carrying a serious niggle.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

Just having watched the highlights of Jolly in the VFL, it is notable that he can barely get off the ground.

http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/video/2013-08-20/vfl-darren-jolly-dominates-the-ruck

Don't think his inclusion is a lock.

to be fair he hasnt gotten off the ground for 2 years

 

[Jonno94]

in: Seedsman, Didak
out: Sinclair, Elliott

Cant see us making more than 2 or 3 changes with a few rounds left.

I wish we would send Reid back as a sweeper along Brown and Keeffe, then send Goldsack and Lynch back forward and try to adopt a more defensive, slingshot style of footy (Fremantle, Sydney). Note that Reid, Brown and Keeffe haven't played in the back line all together with Maxwell and Goldsack being mediocre at their current roles. Could work.

 

[PremierPie13]

in: Seedsman, Didak
out: Sinclair, Elliott

Cant see us making more than 2 or 3 changes with a few rounds left.

I wish we would send Reid back as a sweeper along Brown and Keeffe, then send Goldsack and Lynch back forward and try to adopt a more defensive, slingshot style of footy (Fremantle, Sydney). Note that Reid, Brown and Keeffe haven't played in the back line all together with Maxwell and Goldsack being mediocre at their current roles. Could work.

They are good changes.

 

[DaVe86]

Bit harsh on jolly. He has never been an athletic style ruckman. He is more of a ruckman who stands his ground and uses his size to push his opponent off the ball. His strength is his tap-work. Probably a better stoppage ruckman than a centre-bounce ruckman.

In his defence, the ruck rules these days have made life tough for Jolly. They have taken away the physicality a bit and demanded a more athletic type. That said, I think come finals the big tough ruckmen will still flourish and I don't think we've seen the last of him just yet.

 

[Scodog10]

Bit harsh on jolly. He has never been an athletic style ruckman. He is more of a ruckman who stands his ground and uses his size to push his opponent off the ball. His strength is his tap-work. Probably a better stoppage ruckman than a centre-bounce ruckman.

In his defence, the ruck rules these days have made life tough for Jolly. They have taken away the physicality a bit and demanded a more athletic type. That said, I think come finals the big tough ruckmen will still flourish and I don't think we've seen the last of him just yet.

The rules haven't hindered Matthew Lobbe. He gets off the ground as much as Jolly and has managed 101 hitouts in the past fortnight.

Jolly still has a role to play and could come in if Bucks loses confidence in Lynch. All hope isn't lost for him yet.

 

[Rusty22]

I miss dids, they should give him a farewell game

 

[POKsPies252]

We cannot take this game lightly and by that i mean we can't just win, we need to thrash them by atleast 50 IMO. I don't think anyone knows how much of a difference 5th and 6th could make to any hope we may have of making the GF.

We finish 5th, then we most likely play Ess or PA. Two teams who we shouldn't have ay trouble with at the G. Let's assume that Hawthorn and Geelong finish top 2 and win their respective finals v Freo and Sydney.

If we finish 5th it could mean (assuming we win v PA/Ess) we play Syd @ ANZ in a semi-final. We would probably and rightly feel confident going into this. If we get through then we'd play the cats at the G in a prelim. Again, we'd rightly think we are half a chance.

The next two weeks can't be taken lightly as we should be fighting very hard for 5th spot. Do not rest players and don't just win, but win by a decent margin.

 

[Pie Legend]

IN: Seeds, Dids and Jolly
OUT: Elliot, Sinclair and Lynch

This has to be the week for Jolly and Didak. Show something now and a September spot could be beckoning, if not then could potentially be curtains for them. We can't play Lynch after his display the other night, just clearly not quite up to it anymore.

Don't really think the tandem of Grundy and Jolly will work, but we have to give it a try otherwise it's Lynch back in the side purely for structure, as Grundy is clearly the number 1 ruckmen ATM.