Game Day AFL Round 18 - Collingwood vs Adelaide Matchday Discussion (MCG - 4.40pm)

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2014 AFL PREMIERSHIP SEASON
ROUND 18
COLLINGWOOD vs ADELAIDE
SUNDAY 27TH JULY 4.40PM
M.C.G.


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So it's come down to this, after 16 games of the 2014 AFL premiership season Collingwood and Adelaide will go head to head on Sunday for a chance to effectively keep their finals hopes alive. Yes mathematically the loser of this game still has a chance to finish 7th or 8th but realistically a loss here, against a fellow finals contender, would just about spell the end to the season for either team. You can say that for the Magpies especially, who after a woeful showing against Essendon before the bye sit right on the edge of the top 8, and with a few harder games than this still to come. Collingwood at one stage were a top four contender, but with one win in their last 5 games their season is quickly falling apart. The Crows have never reached that lofty height, in fact they've been threatening to fall out of finals contention all year only to get a win each time they've desperately needed one. Before the bye which each team had last weekend, the Crows had actually found some decent form too with two wins over Port and GWS followed by a credible loss to the powerful Hawthorn outfit. Going into this game there's little doubt Adelaide are in better form than Collingwood.


COLLINGWOOD PREVIEW

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The Magpies find themselves in this position simply based on their own form. With just one win in the last 5 games, and that win coming against lowly Carlton, the Pies have dug a hole so deep that it 's going to be hard to get out of now. The Pies have been struggling in just about every area with their midfield getting beat for contested possessions and clearances, the forward line relying solely on Travis Cloke and the backline relying on a bunch of kids to hold it together. The midfield would have to be of most concern for coach Nathan Buckley with it's star studded names simply not being able to lift the team in crucial stages recently. In the last game against Essendon the Pies midfield was smashed with a -10 gap in clearances and a -20 differential in contested possessions. It was probably as low as this Magpie team has been under Nathan Buckley.

There is some good news for the Magpies though with star big man Ben Reid returning to play his first senior game of the year after 2 games back in the VFL. Reid, an All Australian centre half back was touted as a key forward this year but hasn't been seen at senior level due to recurring injuries. Also returning this week is the Pies leading goal kicker, small forward Jamie Elliott. Elliott, who will play his 50th senior game this week has been one of the few positives this season and he was on track for All Australian selection before a hamstring injury cost him 3 games. The Pies will be without three stalwarts though with Nick Maxwell announcing his retirement during the week. Luke Ball and Dane Swan finally have succumbed to various injuries they've been carrying all year. Surely the Maxwell announcement will lead to a boost in intensity and effort as the premiership captain led from the front his whole career, and will still expect that from his team mates even if he isn't out there any more. It's a huge game for Collingwood this, it may well be their finals chances decider when all is said and done.


OPPOSITION ANALYSIS

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The Adelaide Crows have had an underwhelming season so far, they've never actually been inside the top 8 but with a win over the Pies here they could well be for the first time in 2014. They started the season poorly with 3 straight losses and ever since have been fighting just to keep their finals hopes alive. Against the odds they've done it and as they showed in recent weeks their form at home is very strong. Where the Crows may struggle a bit is away from home, with only 3 wins on the road so far this season. This game will be like a final though for both teams, and usually home ground advantage doesn't count for too much in finals like games. The bye came at the right time for the Crows too with several key players struggling with injuries during their loss against the Hawks in their last game. The Crows possess talent on every line and will be a formidable team for the Pies to overcome indeed.


The Crows forward line looks a very dangerous one on paper and most weeks it delivers on that promise. The recruitment of Eddie Betts and James Podsiadly over the off season saw the Crows add even more depth to an already talented attacking zone. Taylor Walker has returned from his knee injury in fine style and Josh Jenkins has become a very tough opponent to matchup on, as the Pies found out last time in their loss to the Crows at Adelaide Oval. Where the Crows may struggle a little is with midfield support in scoring with only Patrick Dangerfield really impacting the scoreboard out of the middle. They run into a Pies backline that will be without Nathan Brown and Nick Maxwell, which will mean once again the Pies will rely on a young defense to hold it's own against a very talented forward line.

The Crows midfield is strong especially at the clearances with Adelaide ranked number one for centre clearances this season. There's no surprise in that statistic either when you look at the names in that central core, with Dangerfield, Thompson, Martin, Sloane, Crouch and Douglas all able to win their own ball. The Crows do lack speed outside the packs though although even that has improved in recent weeks and will obviously be helped by the bye also. They face off against a Pies midfield that is flat out struggling, with only Beams and Pendlebury consistently performing. Witts vs Jacobs in the ruck will be an interesting battle though with the young Magpie beginning to dominate the hitouts against more experienced opponents in recent weeks. Most games are decided in the midfield but even though the Crows may have the edge in this area I can't see it being the difference this weekend.

The Crows backline is probably their weakness, and with Reid and Elliott returning for the Pies it will be stretched to his limit this week. The Crows will rely on an inexperienced pairing in Talia and Thompson to restrict the Pies tall forwards. The Magpies forward line hasn't performed well all year though so the Crows will be confident of being able to restrict it to a decent score that will give it a chance to win. The Crows do rebound the ball off half back quite well though with the likes of Brown, Smith, Laird, Otten and Jaensch all improving in their roles this season. This may well be the area of the ground that is of most concern for coach Brenton Sanderson and it may well be where the game is decided.

The Crows come into this game refreshed off the bye and with plenty of confidence after a good month of football before the break. The weekend off would have also refreshed some of their stars with Thompson and Dangerfield both really struggling physically in their last game and Kerridge a chance to return also thanks to the extra week. Like the Magpies the Crows have talked this game up as a finals like fixture and with the relative positions on the ladder you can believe that will be used as the defining line leading into this game. Adelaide's form away from home hasn't been great so they'll have to improve that if they are going to knock over the Pies on their home ground.


TEAMS

COLLINGWOOD
B: Marley Williams, Jack Frost, Taylor Adams
HB: Paul Seedsman, Lachlan Keeffe, Heritier Lumumba
C: Steele Sidebottom, Brent Macaffer, Tim Broomhead
HF: Kyle Martin, Jesse White, Ben Kennedy
F: Jamie Elliott, Travis Cloke, Ben Reid
Fol: Jarrod Witts, Dayne Beams, Scott Pendlebury
I/C: Tyson Goldsack, Jarryd Blair, Clinton Young, Tom Langdon
EMG: Sam Dwyer, Josh Thomas, T Armstrong
In: Lachlan Keeffe, Tim Broomhead, Kyle Martin, Jamie Elliott, Ben Reid
Out: Luke Ball (back), Nick Maxwell (retired), Dane Swan (foot), Alan Toovey (back), Josh Thomas (omitted)

ADELAIDE
B: Luke Thompson, Daniel Talia, Luke Brown
HB: Matthew Jaensch, Andy Otten, Ricky Henderson
C: Brodie Smith, Scott Thompson, Rory Sloane
HF: Eddie Betts, James Podsiadly, Tom Lynch
F: Josh Jenkins, Taylor Walker, Brodie Martin
FOLL: Sam Jacobs, Patrick Dangerfield, Brad Crouch
I/C: Matthew Wright, David Mackay, Richard Douglas
EMG: Mitch Grigg, Rory Laird, Jarryd Lyons, Matt Crouch
In: Luke Thompson, David Mackay
Out: Ben Rutten (omitted), Jason Porplyzia (omitted)


TIP

With a finals place up for grab this game will be as intense as any seen in the home and away season so far, and that alone leads you to believe that there won't be much in it at the end. The Crows have the healthier list but the Pies have the home ground advantage. The Crows have the better recent form but the Magpies get back two dangerous forwards. Adelaide will try to win this game by winning the ball from the centre clearances, a strength area of theirs no doubt. The Pies will try and win this through intensity, tackling and pressure, because when those three things are on the Magpies rarely lose.

With good weather predicted despite the 4.40pm start time both clubs big forwards should be able to get their hands on the ball and provide a handful for the struggling opposition defense.

Ultimately this game will come down to whoever performs the best on the day with very little between them on paper, and I just see the Magpies being able to improve in too many areas to win a tight game and keep their finals hopes alive.


PIES BY 13 POINTS.


VFL

After a bye of their own the Collingwood VFL side travels down to Frankston on Sunday to face the local team. A win will put the VFL Pies back in top four contention with only a few rounds left in the season. Game time is 2pm at Frankston Oval.
 

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We will come out breathing fire like youve never seen before. Im mates with one of pendles best mate and he rekons the group is pumped and honestly believe we can still win the flag this year. The group wants to make history.
 
We shouldn't have to rely on media hate to "fire us up", go out there and get the job done just like any other game.
I agree but if you've watched us over the past 5-6 weeks it's clear that we are missing that spark. That media beat up can't hurt.
 
one of the bravest efforts of the selection committee so far this year.
still work to do.. blair, young need to go.
bring in karnezis, armstrong and we're really getting somewhere.
don't think ball should play again this year.
like to see grundy back too.
Here's wishing Kyle a great game.
 
The Herald Sun has laid into us, I love it, should fire us up;

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If it was the age I would care a little bit more but seriously the herald sun isn't that good of a newspaper. Although we haven't been playing well we are an incredibly young side. Also I would like to point out that its actually 2 in 24 years if you count from the year before our 1990 grandfinal in an very even playing field unlike the previous years.
 
The Herald Sun has laid into us, I love it, should fire us up;

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Wow that's a bit pathetic really.

How is the 2 flags in 50 years argument relevant to this week's game? :confused:

Sydney lost tonight as well.

Not that I care about the media getting into us, we fully deserve it for our recent form...but childish flag-counting is a bit silly.
 
I agree but if you've watched us over the past 5-6 weeks it's clear that we are missing that spark. That media beat up can't hurt.
Spot on - we are missing that spark and whilst you really hope if is a heavier training load that has had us flat since the dogs game - Any 1% that helps will do
 

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Wow that's a bit pathetic really.

How is the 2 flags in 50 years argument relevant to this week's game? :confused:

Sydney lost tonight as well.

Not that I care about the media getting into us, we fully deserve it for our recent form...but childish flag-counting is a bit silly.
Because going back 3-4 years many thought we would win a dynasty.
 
Sydney have won 2 flags in 81 years.
St Kilda have won 1 flag in 117 years
Bulldogs have won 1 flag in 90 years
Fremantle have won no flags
Carlton have won no flags in 19 years
Essendon have won 1 flag in 21 years
Adelaide have won no flags in 16 years
Geelong have won 3 flags in 52 years
North have won no flags in 14 years
Port have won 1 flag in 18 years
Richmond have won no flags in 34 years
Melbourne have won no flags in 50 years

It really is easy to play this game :rolleyes:
 

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