Cousins another i'd have close to that 4-6. but i'd have Black and Bont just ahead for spot 6.....still not sure which i'd have to be honest.
Ruck - GAJ - Judd
Wing - Voss - Wing
Bench - Pendles - Bont or Black - Dusty (HF/mid)
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Ruck - GAJ - Judd
Wing - Voss - Wing
Bench - Pendles - Bont or Black - Dusty (HF/mid)
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Agreed it screws over the guys that straddle the different time periods. I reckon you have two options:
- You pick which century they played the most football in and count them in that one (think that would put Voss in the 20th century 1992-2000 versus 2001-2006)
- You pick the century they played the best football in and count them in that (not actually sure which he was better in anymore. Brownlow in the 90s, more AAs, BnFs, MVPs, etc in the 00s)
GAJ is first picked
Judd not far behind.
Not even 100% he'd be locked in the side.
some quality HBF options to pick from.
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I'd probably pick Enright for a back flank before I'd pick Hodge. Im not saying I wouldnt pick him but Im not sure he is first choice for his preferred position
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Who would you have on the other HBF?
Yeah, Bont doesnt avg 1 goal per game.
And Pendles is the architect of many wins, he often lifts when the Pies need someone to impose themself.
Tis an interesting one.
Yeah Voss with a couple of players MVPs and BnF in premiership years is the elite stuff.
I take it to be performance in the 21st century, and thus dont care what people did in 2000 or earlier.
If you favour real top end stuff then yes Voss could argue his way in anyway, but then where do you draw the line?
Does R.Harvey count? He got an AA in 2003, and played til 2008. His record is right ip there a dual brownlow medalist, 8xAA, players MVP, 380 games. Banger's record stacks up with anybody, but it eas the 90s that he dominated.
If Bont gets to that many games times forward will increase even more as well, I think right now could go either way but because of how early he is in this discussion have to lean towards Bont.
I agree with this Voss 2000 onwards is only behind Ablett Judd and Dusty.
Splitting hairs a bit on that. Bont has kicked 200 goals for his career and averages .93 goals per game. Highest goal tally is actually 31 for a season not 26.
Pendles has kicked 194 for his career and averages .51 goals per game
Maybe "almost first picked" was a little too strong. But let's say you have 3 categories: easy decisions, moderate decisions (can understand rationale for them missing out for player x) and tough decisions (coin toss). For me on the evidence so far, Hodge in the side is an easy decision.
Hodge would be ahead of McLeod, who has still been excellent this century and makes it, but did have brilliant periods in the 90s too. I would still include McLeod's 90s work to some degree but weight 21st century stuff considerably higher, and Hodge has been a titan this century. Leadership tips him over, much like it does for Voss (but Voss again has the 90s/00s split dilemma).
FWIW I also think Scarlett and Enright are easy decisions. McLeod not far behind. The defence just happens to have four players who I can't think of many acceptable alternatives for. Three of them are back pockets/flankers.
Who are the alternatives? We still have room for one more at least, regardless.
8 of Chris Johnson's 15 seasons were in the 20th century. His two AAs came in the 21st century and I would still weight Brisbane players dynasty years pretty heavily on their legacy. So he's a contender. But not an easy decision.
Most of Wanganeen's peak was in the 90s.
Same for Archer, McKay and Ben Hart.
Gibson deserves a mention but I still can't see who would take him over Hodge.
Stewart I'd hold out on considering until his career is finalised. He's been superb but a late starter, and still not had the body of work (especially outstanding finals performances) of Enright and Hodge.
Which four back pockets/flankers have a stronger body of work this century than Hodge? The only two who have more AAs for starters are Enright and Stewart. Then Hodge is one of the best leaders this century and one of the best finals performers. He was the rock of that ruthless Hawthorn side, nabbed them a flag ahead of time (2008) and was then impeccable through the three peat. Unlike Martin, he was in the best few players for his position for close to a decade. I could make a strong case for his AA inclusion in 2013, 2014 and 2015 for starters.
Since I've started now
may as well try for the backlineI don't think anyone can deny Enright
Johnson was also a big part in a dominant lions backline....the most ominous defence I've ever seen.
Id still consider McLeod, who like Voss lit up the late 90s but carried it through to the early century, wanganeen too but agee, peak was 90s
Hodge was the standard bearer for a 4 time premiership team.
Goddard has claims but probably behind those 3.
And some of the recent guns in McGovern and Stewart.
Key backs I think are easy. Rance and Scarlett
At this stage I reckon I'm going
Enright - Scarlett - Johnson
McLeod - Rance - Hodge
And id drop one of gov or Stewart to the bench
So that's
Enright -scarlett-johnson
McLeod - Rance - Hodge
Wing - Voss - wing
Dangerfield - CHF - dusty
FP - FF - FP
D.Cox - Ablett - Judd
Pendles - Bont or black - gov or Stewart - fwd
Finishing itSince I've started now
I don't think anyone can deny Enright
Johnson was also a big part in a dominant lions backline....the most ominous defence I've ever seen.
Id still consider McLeod, who like Voss lit up the late 90s but carried it through to the early century, wanganeen too but agee, peak was 90s
Hodge was the standard bearer for a 4 time premiership team.
Goddard has claims but probably behind those 3.
And some of the recent guns in McGovern and Stewart.
Key backs I think are easy. Rance and Scarlett
At this stage I reckon I'm going
Enright - Scarlett - Johnson
McLeod - Rance - Hodge
And id drop one of gov or Stewart to the bench
So that's
Enright -scarlett-johnson
McLeod - Rance - Hodge
Wing - Voss - wing
Dangerfield - CHF - dusty
FP - FF - FP
D.Cox - Ablett - Judd
Pendles - Bont or black - gov or Stewart - fwd
Enright -scarlett -johnson
McLeod - Rance - Hodge
Aker - Voss - Goodes
Danger - buddy - dusty
StevieJ - fev - breust
D.cox - Ablett - Judd
Pendles - Pavlich - Bont - McGovern
Kick outs
Midfield rotations- Martin with Judd
Ablett with Fyfe
Pav Goodes and N Reiwoldt Rotating between wing chf and having two in the forward line.
Kick outs- hodge
Midfield rotations- Martin with Judd
Ablett with Fyfe
Pav Goodes and N Reiwoldt Rotating between wing chf and having two in the forward line.
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No I’m not advocating for a Cats player in his place, am I the only one who thinks Akermanis gets a SLIGHTLY easy ride in these teams?
I agree he’s definitely in the discussion but there’s a lot of good goal kicking mid/forwards in Johnson, Martin, Boomer Harvey kicked 520 or something, Ablett - he was a great player don’t get me wrong but I would have him on the fringes of my team at most I think
I agree he’s definitely in the discussion but there’s a lot of good goal kicking mid/forwards in Johnson, Martin, Boomer Harvey kicked 520 or something, Ablett - he was a great player don’t get me wrong but I would have him on the fringes of my team at most I think
Ablett is on the fringes of your team? Or Akermanis?
Since 2000 if you take away his last season he averages 19.2 possesions a game and 1.5 goals a game which is pretty handy!
I think Brad Johnson would have him covered though.
225 games 2000 onward excluding last season 20.8 possesions 1.99 goals a game.
Statistically it is very rare to see a season 20 and 2 so for those stats over that period he is greatly underrated in my opinion is a walk up start for me in the small to third tall forward position.
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So who is the lock down small defender?
A running defender would be better. Others may disagree but I think someone like Murphy, H.Shaw or Hurn would be better. They are more attacking weapons than Hodge and can provide more drive out of defence.
The problem is for some reason rebounding/attacking half backs often don't make the AA team despite being super important. I am not sure why.
Lock down small defenders are crucial, but are almost never selected in these sort of teams. I would kill to have Nick Smith back at the Swans but even Swans supporters would struggle to recongise him if he walked passed us on the street. They just don't get the recognition they deserve.
I tend to think of these kind of teams less like squads with positions, but in terms of roles. In a back six IMO you need a lockdown KPD, a lock down small defender, a third-man up type interceptor, a mid-sized hybrid defender, a rebounding defender, and a CHB type with a bigger tank than the lockdown KPD. Seventh defender on the bench is just the next best defender.
(BTW IMO that is Scarlett, N Smith, Stewart, Enright, Hodge and Rance. Seventh no idea)
