Recruiting AFL Trade & Free Agency XI - McKay. Goldstein. Gresham. Duursma!

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[ghostdog]

Will the AFL approve? It is a little bit dodgy!

I mean if the AFL don't and St Kilda don't, surely Shiel is worth a mid 2nd round pick so we pay Gresham what he's worth generating a 2nd round pick and trade Shiel for that and not pay any of his salary. We bank the salary cap by front-loading a few of our boys' contracts and go again with Free Agency next year.

Having said that, is the draft better this year or next year? What Free Agents are gettable next year? I.e. do we sell our Free Agency advantage now for that pick 13?

If they're approving another North handout they're approving anything. I'm gonna stick my d*** in the mashed potato.

 

[DERO]

Plenty around. Strachan, Fort, Preuss, Flynn, Campbell, Soldo.

yodellinhank

 

[footyfanatic111]

HS saying that Goldstein is likely Collingwood bound.

What do we do? With Draper having a few injury struggles we can’t just have Bryan as the sole ruck. He doesn’t have the tank for it.

Just read that.
Almost seemed like a Monty and now with the Draper news, we are kind of really in the market for a ready made ruckman, goldy would have been perfect. Ouch
Bryan ain’t ready for the number 1 role.

 

[yodellinhank]

yodellinhank

Bring him in

 

[mike ross]

If they're approving another North handout they're approving anything. I'm gonna stick my d*** in the mashed potato.

Please make sure the mashed potato has been left to stand for at least 30 minutes before attempting.

 

[Happyskeret]

HS saying that Goldstein is likely Collingwood bound.

What do we do? With Draper having a few injury struggles we can’t just have Bryan as the sole ruck. He doesn’t have the tank for it.

I was thinking in my own head that Goldy would be mad not to go to Collingwood. Big opportunity for him to win a flag there.

 

[fairbump_playon]

I was thinking in my own head that Goldy would be mad not to go to Collingwood. Big opportunity for him to win a flag there.

Certainly the best place for thinking

 

[Resistor]

I was thinking in my own head that Goldy would be mad not to go to Collingwood. Big opportunity for him to win a flag there.

It's interesting though, they are a young team and all that, but starting to plug holes with older players. Mitchell, Goldstein, isn't this type of top up where it starts to all fall apart in a few years as you aren't trusting your younger players coming through? Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Howe, maybe they aren't as young as I think

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

I’d imagine Cameron or Cox would be redundant if Goldstein joins Pies …unless Cameron can play forward

 

[andleanback]

Every guy you listed aside from Laird were 1st round picks, most towards the point end too. Rioli was the only guy I initially listed that was taken inside the 1st round. More often than not you don't need to spend high picks to get quality half-backs. I think you'll find that guys drafted as half backs that play elsewhere (especially forward) are generally exceptions to the rule. I prefer forward half players as they present as a double chance to make the grade.

What’s your point about the guys I listed being first round picks?
Isn’t the conversation we’re having over drafting a half back?

Double chance to make the grad, youre moreorless saying you’re happy for them to be no good for a few years and then be turned into a half back.

 

[faible]

It's interesting though, they are a young team and all that, but starting to plug holes with older players. Mitchell, Goldstein, isn't this type of top up where it starts to all fall apart in a few years as you aren't trusting your younger players coming through? Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Howe, maybe they aren't as young as I think

They were the oldest and most experienced team in the Prelims last week.

GWS was 26y 2mo and 106 games average

vs

Collingwood 27y 8mo and 144.2 games average

For comparison Geelong's 2022 GF side was 28y 7mo and 167 games average which is the oldest and most experienced Premiership side ever from memory.

Collingwood is not a young or inexperienced side, it's a real misrepresentation of where their list is at. They didn't rebuild post GF, they just brought a few younger players in and had the gift of the Daicos brothers both being genuinely good AFL players.

Across their entire list (not just best 22) they're the 4th oldest and 5th most experienced in the league.

They're older and more experienced than the side that played West Coast in the GF in 2018 which wasn't considered a 'young' Collingwood side.

If they win the GF this week with a similar side to the Prelim, they'd be the oldest and most experienced winner (aside from the Geelong) since Hawthorn's 3rd Premiership in 2015.

 

[Lore]

First I've heard re the last paragraph. Yay hooray if true.

Caro Wilson, footy classified. Don’t know exact date but within the last few weeks, probably right after Round 23 or 24.

 

[Zach Package]

Goldstein going to the Pies is a strong indication our offer to him wasn't appropriate.

The whole idea and the basis of his buy in for us would be longer term security and coaching opportunity.

Seems we've ****ed this as well

 

[TheGrizz]

Goldstein going to the Pies is a strong indication our offer to him wasn't appropriate.

The whole idea and the basis of his buy in for us would be longer term security and coaching opportunity.

Seems we've ****ed this as well

Or that he decided that if he is going to play backup ruck, might as well be at a winning club he can snare a flag at in the next two years if an injury goes his way.

There is no reason he can't just come here to coach after he eventually retires. It's a logical decision by him.

 

[andleanback]

Goldstein going to the Pies is a strong indication our offer to him wasn't appropriate.

The whole idea and the basis of his buy in for us would be longer term security and coaching opportunity.

Seems we've ****ed this as well

It hasn’t been actually said where he is going yet

 

[Zach Package]

Or that he decided that if he is going to play backup ruck, might as well be at a winning club he can snare a flag at in the next two years if an injury goes his way.

There is no reason he can't just come here to coach after he eventually retires. It's a logical decision by him.

It sounds like he was for all intents and purposes locked to Essendon, despite the interest of other, more 'win now' options.

Reading between the lines, the offer wasn't as juicy as it needed to be because we thought it was a one horse race.

 

[eth-dog]

Or that he decided that if he is going to play backup ruck, might as well be at a winning club he can snare a flag at in the next two years if an injury goes his way.

There is no reason he can't just come here to coach after he eventually retires. It's a logical decision by him.

Yeah but that doesn't fit in with his sky is falling whenever something mildly inconvenient happens narrative.

 

[yodellinhank]

It sounds like he was for all intents and purposes locked to Essendon, despite the interest of other, more 'win now' options.

Reading between the lines, the offer wasn't as juicy as it needed to be because we thought it was a one horse race.

Or because he thought it was a one horse race #Strachan2024

 

[citizen-erased]

HS saying that Goldstein is likely Collingwood bound.

What do we do? With Draper having a few injury struggles we can’t just have Bryan as the sole ruck. He doesn’t have the tank for it.

Flynn for mine.

 

[faible]

Flynn for mine.

He's 26 and only really behind Briggs, not sure he'd move somewhere he wouldn't be a clear chance for a first ruck role.

GWS do have Preuss but he's basically always injured or suspended.

 

[citizen-erased]

I’d imagine Cameron or Cox would be redundant if Goldstein joins Pies …unless Cameron can play forward

Cameron can play back and fwd
Cox is decent fwd

 

[TheGrizz]

It sounds like he was for all intents and purposes locked to Essendon, despite the interest of other, more 'win now' options.

Reading between the lines, the offer wasn't as juicy as it needed to be because we thought it was a one horse race.

Sounds like? From where? The only reports I read was that we were interested and leading the race at the time.

Collingwood may have just made their interest known later than us, and he liked their offer better than ours. Objectively, they are a much more appealing on field option than us, and possible off field as well.

 

[Zach Package]

Sounds like? From where? The only reports I read was that we were interested and leading the race at the time.

Collingwood may have just made their interest known later than us, and he liked their offer better than ours. Objectively, they are a much more appealing on field option than us, and possible off field as well.

No arguments from me on the second part.

They have gone from being not in it to closing the deal very quickly, because that's what they do.

 

[DonsRule]

Or that he decided that if he is going to play backup ruck, might as well be at a winning club he can snare a flag at in the next two years if an injury goes his way.

There is no reason he can't just come here to coach after he eventually retires. It's a logical decision by him.

Yep as soon as I saw the Pies were after him too had a feeling we'd struggle perhaps the SCott/McKay factors were the only things that really kept us a change. At his age finals and maybe a premiership would have to appeal

 

[Vindicater]

It sounds like he was for all intents and purposes locked to Essendon, despite the interest of other, more 'win now' options.

Reading between the lines, the offer wasn't as juicy as it needed to be because we thought it was a one horse race.

Nearly everything you wrote here is your own head canon.