Recruiting AFL Trade & Free Agency XI - McKay. Goldstein. Gresham. Duursma!

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[andleanback]

The PSD threat is laughable by Port. I’d happily retake him there, if he was still available of course. I’d also take him at pick 31 in a heartbeat and Port won’t have a pick before then once the Esava deal is complete.

100% id rather have 1 more year of bzt next to mckay than have pick 31

 

[Schnitzengruben]

as far as I can see we are losing on trading bzt for Duursma. Bzt is developing nicely into a very good defender. Duursma has shown nothing in years. Are the reports on a four year contract for real?! He is an absolute liability. I’m not against rolling the dice on him for a year or two but we should never be going in deeper than that.

Good luck poaching contracted players to move interstate and play for our (mid table) club, all for a 1 year contract.

 

[andleanback]

Good luck poaching contracted players to move interstate and play for our (mid table) club, all for a 1 year contract.

Worth 2 but given its a move back home 3. 4 is just wrong, can see a world where he’s not even in the side in 24 months and we might have to try and move him to get him off our books.

 

[Jobe Watson]

A 4 year contact for Duursma would be insanity (if true). He could be a pure depth player for us by this time next year. We don't even really need him; Martin and Durham are good enough. I can understand us giving him a shot in the hopes he can regain form and fulfil his potential, but not on a big contract. Even 3 years is too many really, but understandable that that's would you'd need to offer to get him to move. Did we not learn from Weideman?

 

[Lore]

A 4 year contact for Duursma is insanity (if true). He could be a pure depth player for us by this time next year. We don't even really need him; Martin and Durham are good enough. I can understand us giving him a shot in the hopes he can regain form and fulfil his potential, but not on a big contract. Even 3 years is too many. Did we not learn from Weideman?

And what happens if we make finals but Martin or Durham get injured in Round 23? Are you confident in our depth?

 

[Jobe Watson]

And what happens if we make finals but Martin or Durham get injured in Round 23? Are you confident in our depth?

Then just play Tsatas, Shiel or, God help us, Heppell off a wing. That scenario is not worth investing 4 years into a C-grader like Duursma. 2 years with a trigger for 3 if he hits certain KPIs.

 

[andleanback]

Hawks offering 63 for massimo might aswell just make him walk to the preseason draft and hope north pick him up

 

[Schnitzengruben]

Then just play Tsatas, Shiel or, God help us, Heppell off a wing. That scenario is not worth investing 4 years into a C-grader like Duursma. 2 years with a trigger for 3 if he hits certain KPIs.

So ignoring this objectively poor list management decision - why have you completely written off Duursma? He has the scope to be better than Durham, easily.

 

[Lore]

Then just play Tsatas, Shiel or, God help us, Heppell off a wing. That scenario is not worth investing 4 years into a C-grader like Duursma. 2 years with a trigger for 3 if he hits certain KPIs.

“God help us” sounds about right

 

[MightyDon]

Redraft BTZ and let him play VFL for a couple years if he’s not prepared to play AFL, amazing trying to threaten walking to draft when your club of choice isnt close to a position to get you there.

 

[Lore]

Also I thought Weid was 3 years

 

[Yoda_]

So ignoring this objectively poor list management decision - why have you completely written off Duursma? He has the scope to be better than Durham, easily.

Underestimating Durham, he’s essentially our Mat Cottrell.

Under appreciated by opposition but more valuable than even we think


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[Schnitzengruben]

Underestimating Durham, he’s essentially our Mat Cordell. Under appreciated by opposition but more valuable than even we think


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I like him. He's your classic 18th-22nd best player in the 22. Good honest player but he is what he is. Duursma has a higher ceiling and has been mismanaged under Hinkley.

 

[Jobe Watson]

So ignoring this objectively poor list management decision - why have you completely written off Duursma? He has the scope to be better than Durham, easily.

I haven't written him off. He does have the potential to be a good player. He also has the potential to keep going the way he's been going the last 2 years and end up as a depth player, which is fine... but not for 4 years.

I said when it was first reported that we were interested in him that he's probably better than a late 2nd rounder in a crap draft, but he's no sure thing.

Also I thought Weid was 3 years

He was, which is at least a year too many. Seems to be the theme of a lot of our contract decisions recently (Heppell, Stewart, Smith...).

 

[nipst@r]

I like him. He's your classic 18th-22nd best player in the 22. Good honest player but he is what he is. Duursma has a higher ceiling and has been mismanaged under Hinkley.

What is duursma best position. We lack wing depth. Durham and Martin but ended up using Heppell or pushing a midfielder out there - sheil.

Kpd we have Reid, Baldwin, Hayes, cox - even Ridley or weideman who could try if laverde or McKay out.

Who are our 3rd or 4th choice wingman? Tsatas, guelfi,

We don't have heap of options to try. Whilst not proven we have quite a few kpd to try and hope make it.

It really does make sense for both teams and think of we thrown in something minor is probably fair.

Duursma stats for position and ranking are underwhelming and is 23 but has played more games so kinda know what you are getting with both.

 

[andleanback]

Can’t believe Gold Coast are going to give hollands away for almost nothing. No wonder they constantly screw up their list, Cameron is an idiot

 

[Yoda_]

I like him. He's your classic 18th-22nd best player in the 22. Good honest player but he is what he is. Duursma has a higher ceiling and has been mismanaged under Hinkley.

Has he been mismanaged though? He's played 16 (2 SANFL games), 11 (8), 11 (2) games in the last three years s its as much about his fitness as it is about his form.

If this bloke was picked in the 30's people would be "yeah, fair deal, straight swap" but because he has a 1 in front of his draft pick it (apparently) automatically makes him more valuable.

By a fair few Port supporters own admission Xavier has been underwhelming, now that the opportunity to move him on, he's turned into someone he's not, has never been, small chance it happening but has shown very little years ago f his ceiling.


BZT for Xavier is a fair deal, some haggling may get done over picks but that is semantics. We probably won even use the pick we get from Port.

 

[Jobe Watson]

I like him. He's your classic 18th-22nd best player in the 22. Good honest player but he is what he is. Duursma has a higher ceiling and has been mismanaged under Hinkley.

Durham is a much better defensive winger than Duursma though, which is what we need to balance out Martin. Unless we see Martin as a future midfielder and want Duursma to take over that attacking wing role, but again, this depends on Duursma actually living up to his potential which is still a question mark.

 

[Yoda_]

What is duursma best position. We lack wing depth. Durham and Martin but ended up using Heppell or pushing a midfielder out there - sheil.

Kpd we have Reid, Baldwin, Hayes, cox - even Ridley or weideman who could try if laverde or McKay out.

Who are our 3rd or 4th choice wingman? Tsatas, guelfi,

We don't have heap of options to try. Whilst not proven we have quite a few kpd to try and hope make it.

It really does make sense for both teams and think of we thrown in something minor is probably fair.

Duursma stats for position and ranking are underwhelming and is 23 but has played more games so kinda know what you are getting with both.

At least we have options for the wing (Alwyn, Heppell, Tsatas potentially), we literally have no one to play as a rebounding defender now.

 

[jdstorm]

Redraft BTZ and let him play VFL for a couple years if he’s not prepared to play AFL, amazing trying to threaten walking to draft when your club of choice isnt close to a position to get you there.

Seems like his club of choice is …. Not Essendon. Sometimes people do t like where they work and want a change. Nothing wrong with that

 

[Zach Package]

A 4 year contact for Duursma would be insanity (if true). He could be a pure depth player for us by this time next year. We don't even really need him; Martin and Durham are good enough. I can understand us giving him a shot in the hopes he can regain form and fulfil his potential, but not on a big contract. Even 3 years is too many really, but understandable that that's would you'd need to offer to get him to move. Did we not learn from Weideman?

That’s the price of a seat at the table, if you don’t pony up, you’re not getting anyone more than nothing pick level players like Biggie Nyuon or 35 year olds like Goldstein. It’s pretty clear.

I remain nonplussed on Duursma but that’s what it takes to perk someone’s interest nowadays.

I’m of the belief that Zerk is clearly worth more than he is but I’d accept a straight swap or Zerk and a 4th rounder or something just to get it done, garner some goodwill and move on.

 

[yodellinhank]

A 4 year contact for Duursma would be insanity (if true). He could be a pure depth player for us by this time next year. We don't even really need him; Martin and Durham are good enough. I can understand us giving him a shot in the hopes he can regain form and fulfil his potential, but not on a big contract. Even 3 years is too many really, but understandable that that's would you'd need to offer to get him to move. Did we not learn from Weideman?

He'll still be under contract when his brother comes out of contract and requests a trade...

 

[MightyDon]

Seems like his club of choice is …. Not Essendon. Sometimes people do t like where they work and want a change. Nothing wrong with that

He’s not an unrestricted free agent, his club of choice is not in a strong position, maybe he should keep his mouth shut and leave the club and supporters on good terms rather than be a dick

 

[nipst@r]

At least we have options for the wing (Alwyn, Heppell, Tsatas potentially), we literally have no one to play as a rebounding defender now.

Hind? Davey? Tsatas? But is a need now. I would have preferred to keep massimo.

Kinda shows we are not the best at building a balanced list. Still spots up for grabs all over.

Unfortunately our lack of rebounding defenders probably means we persist with Heppell loose getting cheap kicks.

 

[Yoda_]

Hind? Davey? Tsatas? But is a need now. I would have preferred to keep massimo.

Kinda shows we are not the best at building a balanced list. Still spots up for grabs all over.

Unfortunately our lack of rebounding defenders probably means we persist with Heppell loose getting cheap kicks.

Rebounding half backs should be our absolute number 1 priority this off season. In the end, said half back can move up to the wing anyway.