Recruiting AFL Trade & Free Agency XI - McKay. Goldstein. Gresham. Duursma!

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[Godzke]

How the fk does Collingwood convince Freo to accept 34 and a future first for Schultz. Pity we couldn't get in on him.

 

[Nicholas61]

He is moving in order to get one more decent contract.

He knows it may not be in his best interests (concerned about further head injuries) to keep playing and now has serious demons in his head around physical contact but where is he going to get 400-500k+ a year for the next few years outside footy?

 

[BrunoV]

Can’t believe Gold Coast are going to give hollands away for almost nothing. No wonder they constantly screw up their list, Cameron is an idiot

Yes, Cameron is a proven idiot.

 

[Nicholas61]

From what I’ve seen over duursma over the past 24 months he isn’t tough at all. In the final he look petrified to be out there.

The final against GWS wasn't pretty viewing.

 

[JayJ20]

Quoted for effort
Fwiw (unlike the doomsayers) I think we have a chance at getting your extra A graders next season. So many players made big moves this year.

Thanks! It took sometime.

I think we're closer than what people think, but it key part of that is adding those A-graders. I wish we did everything we could for Harley Reid because he is exactly the type of player that wins premierships.

Once we target a potential A-grade CHF like King or JUH, we need an A-grade Dusty/Petracca like mid. Not sure where we will get it.

 

[Duckworth]

Wonder if this is actually a thing?

LMAO the comments in that tweet "Dodo so hard to deal with" I read multiple times. Yet it is Essendon getting involved to unlock it.

 

[bombreys]

Hawks offering 63 for massimo might aswell just make him walk to the preseason draft and hope north pick him up

Not that far off the mark. A player not in our best 22, to whom we’ve offered a one-year rookie deal. Can’t really ask for much more in return

 

[BrunoV]

How the fk does Collingwood convince Freo to accept 34 and a future first for Schultz. Pity we couldn't get in on him.

How has Freo convinced Collingwood to part with a second round pick and a future first for Schultz?

He's a solid player. But that's massive.

All of this talk about the depth of the draft. There will always be a player you can mould for a role particularly in the 30s.

Future first alone was generous.

 

[Nicholas61]

How has Freo convinced Collingwood to part with a second round pick and a future first for Schultz?

He's a solid player. But that's massive.

All of this talk about the depth of the draft. There will always be a player you can mould for a role particularly in the 30s.

Future first alone was generous.

What would one classify Schultz as a small forward. I would say B+. A level below the very best in terms of offensiveness (still a dangerous player with good goal sense) but could also argue A Grade due to defensive side - hard at it, competitive can play a bruising game and his tackling numbers at the very top end for a small forward, up there with McReery. Agreed they have spent up but they put a value on defensive actions. Also when teams win a flag they tend to cough up a little more or give guys away for a bit less than market value.

 

[Schnitzengruben]

Does duursma have a higher ceiling?
Isn’t good in contested situations
Isn’t tough and can’t tackle
Isn’t a great ball user

Durham is the opposite of that, just needs to improve his kicking a tad.

Eh I disagree with that.

He is a very good ball user, he's as physical as your average winger (although Durham does have him beat in this respect).

I watched Collingwood win a GF through elite kicking and transition play. Duursma will be more beneficial to us with that aspect in mind.

 

[andleanback]

Eh I disagree with that.

He is a very good ball user, he's as physical as your average winger (although Durham does have him beat in this respect).

I watched Collingwood win a GF through elite kicking and transition play. Duursma will be more beneficial to us with that aspect in mind.

Very good ball user?
You might want to go through statspro and watch through some of his game edits

 

[andleanback]

Not that far off the mark. A player not in our best 22, to whom we’ve offered a one-year rookie deal. Can’t really ask for much more in return

No point of getting 63 we aren’t even going to use it
Something like f3 for mass and f4 would do.

 

[Schnitzengruben]

Very good ball user?
You might want to go through statspro and watch through some of his game edits

I've watched him over the totality of his career and often in person; I'm very comfortable with my assessment.

 

[fairbump_playon]

Very good ball user?
You might want to go through statspro and watch through some of his game edits

You might want to just see what happens

Your take on Duursma is loud and clear. I would argue you’re being selective with past vision. I’m not his greatest fan but believe there’s ability in amongst the disruptions.

Regardless of our differing opinions, Zerk is a replaceable defensive tall when we are stacked with developing options for the same role. Duursma might work or might not but a gamble on a tall, gut running winger / flanker is a better bet to be having right now.

 

[Yoda_]

How has Freo convinced Collingwood to part with a second round pick and a future first for Schultz?

He's a solid player. But that's massive.

All of this talk about the depth of the draft. There will always be a player you can mould for a role particularly in the 30s.

Future first alone was generous.

Was listening to someone the other day and essentially when you are building for something you understand the sacrifice and just get it done. Melbourne paid significant capital for not one but two key defenders. Geelong paid a high price for another key forward. Richmond won a flag with one of the better key forwards this century but did not stop them from going and getting another.

With regards to the trades, good teams just get it done. This is probably where the “Mackie is hard to deal With” tag is starting to come through. Esava Ratugalea is a nice player but let’s be fair, pic k24 is well overs. For them to knock it back is a slap in the face to Port. He is barely best 22, out of contract and was even dropped at times. Steven Wells if shoe was on the other foot would do the business and move on. That is where the good will comes into future trading. This is why I think Dodo has burnt all his “credits” from 15 years ago. No one wants to deal with him.

 

[Westlo]

Can’t believe Gold Coast are going to give hollands away for almost nothing. No wonder they constantly screw up their list, Cameron is an idiot

What exactly do you want them to trade in considering they're about to add 3 top 12 rated talents and have more academy top ten players next year?

Hollands isn't going to break into the GC midfield and he's laughingly going to a team with a midfield just as stacked.

 

[Yoda_]

What exactly do you want them to trade in considering they're about to add 3 top 12 rated talents and have more academy top ten players next year?

Hollands isn't going to break into the GC midfield and he's laughingly going to a team with a midfield just as stacked.

To be fair, he is a more powerful version of Paddy Dow &/or O’Brien

Essentially two players with one list position. It’s smart. We do similar things. Get unproven top 10 talent, pay understand, hope they come good and then look like millionaires if they come good. If they fail, so be it, they were traded.

List management 101

 

[Cup_o_Jobe]

Some folks in here have been drinking far too much media Kool aid.

If we're going after a player, Dodo needs to pay whatever the asking price is, no matter how ludicrous, because we "owe it" to the player we're courting to get the deal done at any cost.

If someone else is going after our player, we need to just take whatever low-ball price is offered, no matter how ludicrous, because to do anything else is being "hard to deal with" and playing hard to get, pithy medoa labels we must avoid at any cost.

Just a level of self-flagelation that'd make Opus Dei blush.

BZT is a very solid no.2 defender and will thrive in an environment where he isn't asked to wrestle gorillas. I'd love to keep him now we have McKay. The KPD market has been overheated since the Barass deal earlier this year and the frenzy from Sydney, Hawks and Essendon to get McKay confirmed it as a sellers market. I'd be wanting the Freo F2 and some cream on top for BZT if it was a pick swap. Port should count itself lucky if it is only asked to give up a fringe 22 player with a history of getting skull-rattled.

 

[faible]

Yeh and it’s stupid. He’s a better player than all of their academy picks except Walter.

Is he in reality? Not the pre-drafted Hollands but the one who’s actually played and doesn’t appear a good fit for their list any more.

 

[Pweter]

Some folks in here have been drinking far too much media Kool aid.

If we're going after a player, Dodo needs to pay whatever the asking price is, no matter how ludicrous, because we "owe it" to the player we're courting to get the deal done at any cost.

If someone else is going after our player, we need to just take whatever low-ball price is offered, no matter how ludicrous, because to do anything else is being "hard to deal with" and playing hard to get, pithy medoa labels we must avoid at any cost.

Just a level of self-flagelation that'd make Opus Dei blush.

BZT is a very solid no.2 defender and will thrive in an environment where he isn't asked to wrestle gorillas. I'd love to keep him now we have McKay. The KPD market has been overheated since the Barass deal earlier this year and the frenzy from Sydney, Hawks and Essendon to get McKay confirmed it as a sellers market. I'd be wanting the Freo F2 and some cream on top for BZT if it was a pick swap. Port should count itself lucky if it is only asked to give up a fringe 22 player with a history of getting skull-rattled.

Also I don't believe we were after Duursma until Port told him to look at his options elsewhere. That shifts the goalposts somewhat, whether he's contracted or not.

 

[Zach Package]

Also I don't believe we were after Duursma until Port told him to look at his options elsewhere. That shifts the goalposts somewhat, whether he's contracted or not.

From the way the Port list manager (I think) was talking yesterday they essentially told him to look around, potentially expecting to gain something back that they could then use to get all their trades done and then X turned around and picked Essendon.

Now, I and any other reasonable person would expect that that would actually make things easier, and not harder, but here we are.

 

[Milanista28]

“I understand that for everyone who just wants deals done, you will look and say that players just swapping clubs is the easiest way for it to happen. I think that may end up being the case, but it’s certainly not going to be the case in the next day.”

Port Adelaide football boss Chris Davies ladies and gentleman.

That's funny.

 

[Mootha]

 

[Howard Moon]

It's classic trade bantz 101

Flowchart;

Player requests trade (go home factor )

Is player contracted?

Yes? incumbent club has leverage
No? Insert fake leverage by leaving contract on the table and calling a required player

Clubs talk in media how happy they would be to keep said player if a fair deal can't be struck. Atmosphere of impasse ramps up.

Player managers joust back, player will walk into the draft, he's not going back- leverage somewhat negated. Or if contracted, player stays.

This is where you either jump at shadows or hold your nerve, who folds?

Think the entire media narrative pushing a straight swap might just make it happen but it'll burn the bile in ports mouth

 

[Milanista28]

If you think about it, Melbourne could really use Shiel, Harmes, Jordan and Dunstan gone, with Oliver having some issues.