Recommitted Andrew Gaff [re-signed]

[Scotland]

Ignoring some of the circular discussion for a minute and pardon my ignorance, but how many moving parts are involved in potential compo for Gaff? Eg: Dilution of the pick, where the pick stands at the mo (pending WC finishing position)

Firstly, our finishing position after finals. Best case 1st, worst case 5th or 6th. So our pick would be anywhere from 14-19.

Then you could have Gold Coast with pick 3 for Lynch pushing it back a spot, and/or a priority pick for Carlton, and/or anyone like Tarryn Thomas going at pick 12 but actually going for a bunch of picks in the 30s under the silly points system. So if we crash out of the finals and the draft order isn't disrupted we could get pick 14. If we win the flag it could be anywhere from 20-25.

If Lycett signs as a FA that has no bearing at all. If we sign Roughead or some other FA potentially the compo could be diluted but it depends what band any incoming FA attracts. OUT: Gaff, IN: Lynch would be a no score draw, OUT: Gaff, IN: Roughead would probably still be a band 1 compo pick to us.

 

[TY24]

Has he elected to move?? Can you provide me with a quote from Gaff?

I thought that was just media speculation.

Everything on this entire thread is speculation.

Except for what Sweet Jesus says, that’s all the word of gospel.


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[perplexed]

No it isn't. He can seek a trade.

It's exactly the same as an uncontracted player seeking a trade.

Yes it is.
If he seeks a trade his salary would be lower as the interested club will obviously offer less for a traded player than a free agent.

 

[GreatBradScott]

So North win if Gaff enters the draft and gets picked up by Carlton with pick 1?


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North don't anything. Completely irrelevant.

 

[Ry009]

Firstly, our finishing position after finals. Best case 1st, worst case 5th or 6th. So our pick would be anywhere from 14-19.

Then you could have Gold Coast with pick 3 for Lynch pushing it back a spot, and/or a priority pick for Carlton, and/or anyone like Tarryn Thomas going at pick 12 but actually going for a bunch of picks in the 30s under the silly points system. So if we crash out of the finals and the draft order isn't disrupted we could get pick 14. If we win the flag it could be anywhere from 20-25.

If Lycett signs as a FA that has no bearing at all. If we sign Roughead or some other FA potentially the compo could be diluted but it depends what band any incoming FA attracts. OUT: Gaff, IN: Lynch would be a no score draw, OUT: Gaff, IN: Roughead would probably still be a band 1 compo pick to us.

Cheers for the info.

My personal take is that because of the reasonable likelihood WC could match (more than fair enough) Id be surprised if WC/NM haven't or won't discuss any possible alternatives. Eg Dal Santo type deal separate, unless those types of deal have been knocked on the head? But again, not sure what deal we could strike keeping WC happy while keeping our first.

 

[Suma Magic]

Yes it is.
If he seeks a trade his salary would be lower as the interested club will obviously offer less for a traded player than a free agent.

You're right in that he might get offers that are similar to what he would get in a standard uncontracted trade scenario. And potentially, the cash might be lower than the RFA offer as the team will have to give up trade currency.

Which is my point all along, once an offer is match and then rejected, the scenario is exactly the same as a standard uncontracted player.

 

[DesertRoo]

So North win if Gaff enters the draft and gets picked up by Carlton with pick 1?


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North don't anything. Completely irrelevant.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

North aren't obliged to do anything, but if you think walking way from a FA signing won't affect future FA signings that is very naive.

I think it is fairly obvious that we are offering well above market rate to avoid a situation where we have to trade. I would think player managers would see it this way in terms of any future free agents, rather than thinking we leave players high and dry as a reputational thing. Case by case basis.

 

[Jugada]

If Gaff went to the draft why would Carlton etc be so likely to pick him up? They still need to front up the cash for a huge contract. If they were so likely to pick him up why haven't they already made the offer to him as a free agent?

 

[Feeling Groovy]

I think it is fairly obvious that we are offering well above market rate to avoid a situation where we have to trade. I would think player managers would see it this way in terms of any future free agents, rather than thinking we leave players high and dry as a reputational thing. Case by case basis.

Whilst part of it is for sure, I think that is the smaller part on why you are offering overs. I think you are offering overs, to prise him away from West Coast where he is settled and to trump other Vic clubs offering him deals. No doubt the not having to trade for a free agent/restricted free agent has a value and you may well choose not to do the deal if you had to trade but I really doubt the trade is the biggest factor in all of this.

North have identified they want Gaff, have offered overs to get him. Having to trade may or may not scupper the deal and none of us know but if it was a trade that was still way under what a player like Gaff would cost if not a restricted free agent, I think you would look at it still.

For what it's worth, I think there is a good chance WC will match or say they will if Lycett goes. The prospective loss of him walking to the draft and us losing compo is extremely remote. We match (if we can afford it - which if Lycett goes we probably can) and he either stays or a trade is done this year or next with whoever. But I would think North would pony up some sort of trade that would be better than the compo we would take if Gaff really wants to go or there is a separate agreement that satisfies all for us not to match (i.e. Preuss for a reasonable pick etc).

 

[Scotland]

What we should look at is trading our compo pick to North. The only reason North want a first round pick is to trade for Polec. Surely Polec for 17 isn't unreasonable.

North get Gaff as a FA, we get pick 17 or whatever as compo.

WC: 17, 20, 35.
North: 10, 28, 39, 53.

WC get: 10, Preuss
NM get: 17, 35

17 for Polec, 28 + 35 on its own is possibly enough to bid on Tarryn Thomas (~pick 13 to 14), picks 39 and 53 free to use in the draft.

 

[perplexed]

What we should look at is trading our compo pick to North. The only reason North want a first round pick is to trade for Polec. Surely Polec for 17 isn't unreasonable.

North get Gaff as a FA, we get pick 17 or whatever as compo.

WC: 17, 20, 35.
North: 10, 28, 39, 53.

WC get: 10, Preuss
NM get: 17, 35

17 for Polec, 28 + 35 on its own is possibly enough to bid on Tarryn Thomas (~pick 13 to 14), picks 39 and 53 free to use in the draft.

Nice try.
You want Preuss you got to pay up.
WC won't get any favours for not matching our bid. They haven't been forgiven for bidding on McDonald yet.

 

[Scotland]

Nice try.
You want Preuss you got to pay up.
WC won't get any favours for not matching our bid. They haven't been forgiven for bidding on McDonald yet.

Jesus.

So you want our guy for free and you want us to pay up for your VFL ruckman.

No wonder no one wants to join North.

 

[Hawk Dork]

Jesus.

So you want our guy for free and you want us to pay up for your VFL ruckman.

No wonder no one wants to join North.

That and the bees in the wall

 

[The Warlord]

Jesus.

So you want our guy for free and you want us to pay up for your VFL ruckman.

No wonder no one wants to join North.

Apart from Andrew Gaff.

 

[perplexed]

Jesus.

So you want our guy for free and you want us to pay up for your VFL ruckman.

No wonder no one wants to join North.

1.2m isn't free.

 

[Scotland]

1.2m isn't free.

It's a hefty ****en fee. And if we don't all chip in, we'll never pay that biiillllll.

 

[Turboman1994]

What we should look at is trading our compo pick to North. The only reason North want a first round pick is to trade for Polec. Surely Polec for 17 isn't unreasonable.

North get Gaff as a FA, we get pick 17 or whatever as compo.

WC: 17, 20, 35.
North: 10, 28, 39, 53.

WC get: 10, Preuss
NM get: 17, 35

17 for Polec, 28 + 35 on its own is possibly enough to bid on Tarryn Thomas (~pick 13 to 14), picks 39 and 53 free to use in the draft.

And north keep there from rest rounder next year. Not sure how the AFL rules work because we would have to not match the bid to Recieve the compensation pick and then rely on the good will of north to return 10 and pruess for pick 17

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Nice try.
You want Preuss you got to pay up.
WC won't get any favours for not matching our bid. They haven't been forgiven for bidding on McDonald yet.

I'd almost guarantee if they wanted Preuss they'd get him cheaply, and not just because of the Gaff stuff. From all accounts we really don't rate him that highly.

But, if they think they can land English in the next couple of years, then a cheap stopgap like Roughead makes a lot more sense than Preuss.

 

[Kwality]

I'd almost guarantee if they wanted Preuss they'd get him cheaply, and not just because of the Gaff stuff. From all accounts we really don't rate him that highly.

But, if they think they can land English in the next couple of years, then a cheap stopgap like Roughead makes a lot more sense than Preuss.

More likely to give Zac Clarke another try IF a stopgap is the plan - doing the business for Subi in the WAFL.

 

[perplexed]

I'd almost guarantee if they wanted Preuss they'd get him cheaply, and not just because of the Gaff stuff. From all accounts we really don't rate him that highly.

But, if they think they can land English in the next couple of years, then a cheap stopgap like Roughead makes a lot more sense than Preuss.

He should get a late second or early third. Would be a good partner for Nic Nat (or Daw).

 

[Scotland]

And north keep there from rest rounder next year. Not sure how the AFL rules work because we would have to not match the bid to Recieve the compensation pick and then rely on the good will of north to return 10 and pruess for pick 17

Two separate deals. Would require good will but then we could trade Preuss for pick 97 and then match Gaff's FA offer anyway.

 

[Turboman1994]

Two separate deals. Would require good will but then we could trade Preuss for pick 97 and then match Gaff's FA offer anyway.

10 and pruess is reasonable value for gaff mind you can’t see port being happy with pick 17-20 plus second rounders for Polec

 

[TY24]

10 and pruess is reasonable value for gaff mind you can’t see port being happy with pick 17-20 plus second rounders for Polec

Are port ever happy about anything though?

All that club does is whinge.


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[blackshadow]

Are port ever happy about anything though?

All that club does is whinge.


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Look at the president.

The rot starts from the top.

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