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Andrew Lovett - suspended indefinately
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Clearly the powers that be at St Kilda don't agree with you.
When you come to a new club to get a fresh start it's advisable not to shyte in the nest at all, let alone in the first month at the new club. Lovett would have been introduced to RL's views on player behavious at length, yet he breached them twice (in albeit entirely dissimilar incidents) in his short time at the club. That's part of why why he's suspended IMO; they other more serious part is the SA allegations damage the image of the club, and clubs are increasingly more and more precious about their public image.
That's why he is suspended, and it's also why your club suspended Didak and Shaw in 2008.
I guess'll find out soon enough once Lovett gets his hearing with the grievances board.
I'd assume the club's treatment of "M&M" will get an airing.
We're talking about rape here, not being late for training or being pissed in public.........
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bullshit
Falchoon
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we're talking credibility when it comes to professing one's innocence
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My mates were down at phillip island two weekends ago. Guess who they saw? At the local pub off their face the one and only Andrew Lovett. Apparently he was ordering drinks from the bar without queuing up etc. Had girls hanging off him and was barely able to stand by the end of the night from all reports. The bloke is a headcase
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Stop trying to defend the Saints handling of the Milne/Montagna situation. They mishandled it badly. They are doing the right thing with Lovett but they should have done the same with the other guys.
Timmy is dead right in what he is saying.
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It will be an interesting one - it's quite possible that it could be thrown out of court or any attempt to prosecute guilt may not have enough evidence for a court of law.
however if Jason Gram goes to the club and says this is what happened - and I won't play next to this bloke - what do you think they'll do?
in this case - innocence in court could be irrelevant to his contract at the saints.
So you believe different regimes make no difference in the scheme of things as well? If so you are just as naive as Timmy and Where did I defend the actions of either regime?
Different President, Board, and Coach have no bearing on the running of a footy club now do they?
Overall it was
Gained: Mark Williams, Pick 24, Pick 33
Lost: Jay Nash, Andrew Lovett, Pick 42
To say we lost Lovett AND pick 16 is daft.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...ion-to-fight-st-kildas-ban-20100202-nb40.html
Didn't scroll up to see if this was already posted. Anyway, I don't like his chances. The AFL and St Kilda, especially, will want to make an example of bad apples in the game.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...ion-to-fight-st-kildas-ban-20100202-nb40.html
Didn't scroll up to see if this was already posted. Anyway, I don't like his chances. The AFL and St Kilda, especially, will want to make an example of bad apples in the game.
I agree with the sentiment that different management will handle situations differently. This should be self evident.
The other different factor here is that Gram was reported to be terribly distressed over the incident. Gram is obviously a long term player at the Saints with the respect of his peers. Lovett's presence at the club would have an incredibly disruptive influence.
Suspending Lovett until the criminal process is exhausted makes good sense from a risk management perspective. If charges are laid, the suspension can continue or his contract can be terminated (depending on his contract). If no charges are laid or he is not convicted the Saints will negotiate a release. On top of this, there is the 2010 season to prepare for and the Club needs to get the player's minds on their preparation.
The other different factor here is that Gram was reported to be terribly distressed over the incident. Gram is obviously a long term player at the Saints with the respect of his peers. Lovett's presence at the club would have an incredibly disruptive influence.
Suspending Lovett until the criminal process is exhausted makes good sense from a risk management perspective. If charges are laid, the suspension can continue or his contract can be terminated (depending on his contract). If no charges are laid or he is not convicted the Saints will negotiate a release. On top of this, there is the 2010 season to prepare for and the Club needs to get the player's minds on their preparation.
He either came with a clean slate or he came with an automatic strike on his head. Its got to be one or the other.
Welcome to StKilda, Andrew - heres your jumper and heres your strike.
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Lovett will argue the M&M precendent, which is a reasonable argument and suggest that their are other reasons why he was suspended. Its quite possible that he was suspended for other reasons. However he will probably argue that he was suspended because of sterotyping. Personally I think its more likely that he was suspended because the other players didn't want to have anything to do with him. Not really a valid reason to suspend someone, but not something that you have any real option in either - see Mitch Thorpe at Hawthorn last year.
Same unit thinks that Darren "when have I ever dominated a game?" Jolly and Luke "I kick it less distance than Shane O Bree" Ball = flag. Very sad.
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Welcome to StKilda, Andrew your reputation precedes you, tread carefully.
What happened 6 years ago with Milne and Montagna is irrelevant, all clubs have progressed since then in how they deal with socially irresponsible behaviour. Given both were never charged, there is little evidence in the public domain to argue that they should have been sanctioned, no matter what many would want to speculate happened. They seemingly still had the support of fellow players, unlike Lovett in this case.
You can really only judge a club on their latest actions as its a continual work in progress how they react. St Kilda have done the right thing by the club, by their players and by the standards demanded today.
Lovett whilst not yet charged ( I think) and with previous transgressions, only has himself to blame for this. Obviously, Gram has reason to not want Lovett around and that should be enough for St Kilda to go by, given Gram's standing within the club. St Kilda are better off incurring the wrath of one pissed off player than pissing off the whole list.
You can really only judge a club on their latest actions as its a continual work in progress how they react. St Kilda have done the right thing by the club, by their players and by the standards demanded today.
Lovett whilst not yet charged ( I think) and with previous transgressions, only has himself to blame for this. Obviously, Gram has reason to not want Lovett around and that should be enough for St Kilda to go by, given Gram's standing within the club. St Kilda are better off incurring the wrath of one pissed off player than pissing off the whole list.
Gram's standing?
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messy stuff.. especially IF he is never charged.
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