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It's strange because most of the state ALP Governments aren't like this. The Federal lobbyists must have a lot more $$$Labor have really lost the ablity to govern. They're stuck being LNP lite.
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It's strange because most of the state ALP Governments aren't like this. The Federal lobbyists must have a lot more $$$Labor have really lost the ablity to govern. They're stuck being LNP lite.
The volume of which gambling? Sports gambling?Running gambling ads on racing.com is not what anyone here is talking about. It's staggering that there is anyone who thinks the volume of gambling is at an acceptable level.
And how do you think those apps are generating their traffic? The answer is actually quite obvious when you take a moment to think about it....The volume of which gambling? Sports gambling?
Gambling revenue in every state/territory except NSW and NT peaked 10 years ago.
The number of betting venues is at all-time lows. People forget that nearly every town used to have stand-alone TABs.
If the Govt bothered to regulate betting apps and pokies, most of the problem would evaporate. (You can't advertise gambling on pokies, btw and it has gone up).
The underlying problem is that the Government is very bad at regulating apps and the internet. That's where the majority of harm in society is occurring.
It would be silly to say that advertising doesn't work, otherwise why would they do it?And how do you think those apps are generating their traffic? The answer is actually quite obvious when you take a moment to think about it....
Of course the number of bricks and mortar betting shops has declined... Why would anyone go to a dingy old TAB when you can do the same thing on your phone?
The government is literally trying to do the bolded at present, by regulating how much they can advertise, yet you have also said that you don' think this needs to happen.
Precisely, which is why the government is working to reduce/stop it.It would be silly to say that advertising doesn't work, otherwise why would they do it?
I think they shouldn't show it where it shouldn't be expected which might trigger addicts or influence children. But don't ban it from 2am basketball matches on Foxtel or during the races.
there is not a single legitimate good reason to not ban gambling advertisingYou've obviously never watched the racing channel which only shows live racing when they're on in Vic/SA. The other 90% of the time, it's shows with replays and analysis. Overnight it's historic races and background stories. If you're watching the racing channel, it's because you like racing, not because you're addicted to gambling. Don't forget the horse auctions where millionaires take punts with even worse payouts than the pokies.
I think there should be less gambling ads when kids would be watching, which would also give respite for problem gamblers. There's whole gambling agencies. It shouldn't be too hard for them to come up with ways of addressing the two actual problems: advertising to children, advertising to addicts.
It's not like addicts aren't bombarded with gambling adds in their online lives, which is where they will go if the racing channel disappears. There are subtle and complicated factors and unintended consequences to something like a blanket TV ban.
It would be silly to say that advertising doesn't work, otherwise why would they do it?
I think they shouldn't show it where it shouldn't be expected which might trigger addicts or influence children. But don't ban it from 2am basketball matches on Foxtel or during the races.
And that's where the in-game/in-coverage advertising is so disgusting... That is one time where it is very effective. You're sitting on the couch watching a preview of a game, all of a sudden Daisy Thomas is in your face, telling you that your team is good value and how to put a bet on. You look down at your phone and...I'm amazed that it does, but apparently it does.
I remember working out that when Holden were sponsoring Collingwood for 3million, it was a time when their sales were dwindling. It was costing them $50 per car just to sponsor the Pies. Personally i'd rather get free floor mats.
Personally i find that i'm bombarded with so much advertising that i just filter it out. Even if its something i'm in the market for i tend not to look at the adds.
Except for people who like gambling?there is not a single legitimate good reason to not ban gambling advertising
not one
So.... ban advertising before the game, then ban gambling on that game during the game.And that's where the in-game/in-coverage advertising is so disgusting... That is one time where it is very effective. You're sitting on the couch watching a preview of a game, all of a sudden Daisy Thomas is in your face, telling you that your team is good value and how to put a bet on. You look down at your phone and...
They just want to get you in once, because they know that once they've got their hands on you, they can use your data/email/socials to ramp up the advertising.
Shouldn't just be FTA. Fox Sports should have to toe the line as well (including getting rid of the BS "programs" that just talk about odds).So.... ban advertising before the game, then ban gambling on that game during the game.
But you could still have an ad about a promo for horses for the coming Saturday during a Thursday night football game.
(I wouldn't let ads for gambling be on FTA games before 9:30pm.)
Why shouldn't somebody be able to watch European Handball league at 3:15am? There are handball fans here, and which other media org is going to have the incentive to show it?Precisely, which is why the government is working to reduce/stop it.
Your second statement is a bit of a contradiction... I daresay the people watching a basketball game at 2am would include those who may be prone to addiction.
One of the things that hasn't been looked at yet (and it should be) is betting agencies being able to broadcast live sport through their apps. Taking that away would definitely help reduce the attraction for those who may become addicted. Nobody in Australia needs to be able to watch a game in the European Handball League at 3:15am on a Thursday.
And that's where the in-game/in-coverage advertising is so disgusting... That is one time where it is very effective. You're sitting on the couch watching a preview of a game, all of a sudden Daisy Thomas is in your face, telling you that your team is good value and how to put a bet on. You look down at your phone and...
They just want to get you in once, because they know that once they've got their hands on you, they can use your data/email/socials to ramp up the advertising.
Would be incredibly easy to have streaming services have an opt-in and opt-out option for gambling advertising. Stan and Netflix already have ad opt-ins and opt-outs, don't they? Most have a kids portal so they don't see inappropriate content.Shouldn't just be FTA. Fox Sports should have to toe the line as well (including getting rid of the BS "programs" that just talk about odds).
I reckon it takes about the same amount of time, or less, to withdraw as to place a bet. To withdraw, you go to account and then withdraw, enter the amount and confirm.Anti laundering laws mean that if you have money in your gambling account, its far easier to put it on another bet than it is to withdraw it.
no that is not a legit reason to advertiseExcept for people who like gambling?
there isn'tIt's a bit like saying there's no single legitimate reason not to ban fast food advertising.
kind of makes the point about the problem with advertising doesn't itIf the stuff they're advertising was any good, they wouldn't need to advertise it.
that might be why online gambling ads is something they also want to targetIt's very different now to 30 years ago, when the only way you knew about something was if you saw it on a commercial in the paper or on TV. Back then, if you wanted a TV, the only info you had was what was in commercials.
so why are you fighting so hard to keep gambling ads aroundI remember when my parents and I bought our first home computer there was stuff-all knowledge.
Now, if I want to buy something, I don't wait for an ad. I go online and read 5x blogs, 100 reviews, then still go to 2-3 brick and mortar stores (for a large purchase).
again, so why are you arguing against a ban on gambling advertisingSo much advertising money for stuff we need is now online that the only ones left on TV are for stuff that we're not going looking for. Like funeral insurance, and guilting us about the state of our yard with Bunnings ads.
You could ban every TV ad with no net-loss to society, probably just an improvement. Same with online.
No - Fox Sports shouldn't need an opt-in or opt-out. Just don't have ads on where kids can access them. Period.Would be incredibly easy to have streaming services have an opt-in and opt-out option for gambling advertising. Stan and Netflix already have ad opt-ins and opt-outs, don't they? Most have a kids portal so they don't see inappropriate content.
This is where simple regulation would be far better than blanket bans.
They're just revealing what's bottom of their priority list for spending.pretty shit of the AFL to suggest Auskick would have to go if gambling ads were banned
this is the kind of bullshit we're dealing with
pretty shit of the AFL to suggest Auskick would have to go if gambling ads were banned
this is the kind of bullshit we're dealing with