Anthony Albanese - How long? -3-

[Vindicater]

How does that work ? A majority of individual Australians voted yes for a GST despite the typical Opposition scare campaign.

Shorten and Labor panicked and couldn’t sell the tax.

If Albo was the PM pitching for a GST it would have been resoundingly rejected!

If any Labor Polly was pitching for the GST it would have been rejected.

 

[E Shed]

How does that work ? A majority of individual Australians voted yes for a GST despite the typical Opposition scare campaign.

Shorten and Labor panicked and couldn’t sell the tax.

If Albo was the PM pitching for a GST it would have been resoundingly rejected!

The political environment was more bipartisan & still prepared to work collaboratively to create legislation in the public interest.

Now anything remotely resembling genuine reform is shouted down & a sounbite scare campaign starts.

Dutton won’t collaborate on anything. The only exception being to try & legislate independents out of the game to preserve the major parties duopoly.

Serious structural reform has become impossible in the current political environment. It’s broken.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

So a socialist leaning left wing media organization would only produce media for money making?

Yes, it’s complicated.

Socialists have to work within capitalism because that’s the dominant system currently.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

How does that work ? A majority of individual Australians voted yes for a GST despite the typical Opposition scare campaign.

Shorten and Labor panicked and couldn’t sell the tax.

If Albo was the PM pitching for a GST it would have been resoundingly rejected!

Yeah we can back-and-forth on this all day. Have a great weekend.

 

[Rob R]

How does that work ? A majority of individual Australians voted yes for a GST despite the typical Opposition scare campaign.

Shorten and Labor panicked and couldn’t sell the tax.

If Albo was the PM pitching for a GST it would have been resoundingly rejected!

Howard had one or two themes and an election strategy.

Shorten arrogantly assumed victory and rolled out too many policies without a unifying strategy and couldn't message all of them. His policies individually probably would have gotten support but he suffocated his own message with more new annoucnemnrfs nearly every day rather than reinforce existing ones.

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[AvantGardener]

Yes, it’s complicated.

Socialists have to work within capitalism because that’s the dominant system currently.

If Murdoch makes billions surely a left wing media source with just as much audience to draw from could make enough money to get by?

 

[Bloods86]

Just describing this echo chamber

You did a crap job of it then.

Just because Labor is better than the alternative, and the media landscape is tilted the other way, doesn't mean they've been good.

 

[peetoo]

If any Labor Polly was pitching for the GST it would have been rejected.

It was originally a European socialist concept

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Over most of that time we had low interest rates, low inflation and falling unemployment. Shorten stuffed his opportunity. You may not like it but that's life.

Albanese has low unemployment but high inflation, high interest rates and a housing shortage. It doesn't have to be the ALP's fault but governments always carry the blame. Take off the blinkers.

We don't have high Inflation stop peddling that fallacy. It's within the target band to decrease interest rates. They inherited an out of control inflation situation and it's gotten better. 2 surpluses, low unemployment, inflation almost down to where it needs to be. None of that stuff gets reported so people assume everything is high. It's the media driving the narrative here.

 

[JackOutback]

The GST was rejected once due to an effective scare campaign. The Labor government was eventually on the nose after 13 years and lost quite substantially (with Howard saying he wouldn’t bring in a GST in order to assure a win). Then, with a large enough buffer, he brought it in at the next election and had a much tighter victory. Let’s not pretend he successfully sold reform to the public, he simply timed its introduction well.

 

[Festerz]

We don't have high Inflation stop peddling that fallacy. It's within the target band to decrease interest rates.

Almost. But your post is at least on the green in terms of accuracy unlike the poster(s) you responded to who's continually stuck in the rough parroting partisan tabloid nonsense they have no hope of understanding.

In 2022, Australia's inflation rate was 6.61%. In the third quarter of 2024, the annual inflation rate dropped to 2.8%, which was the lowest reading since the first quarter of 2021 - helped immeasurably by the Federal Government and Qld/WA Govts cost of living rebates.

But beware - still a bit of way to go to get the underlying inflation within the RBA target range though and the RBA's main concern here is the continuing strong labour market and record low unemployment rate. Although the fear of real wage rises is subsided with falling GDP growth.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

If Murdoch makes billions surely a left wing media source with just as much audience to draw from could make enough money to get by?

They do. There’s just not nearly as much money to be made from a left wing stance as from a right wing. You’re being absolutist.

 

[Kram]

Funny how there was little crying about the media when it it looked like a Labor victory was a lock, now it's every second post on here.

 

[Boxo004]

You did a crap job of it then.

Just because Labor is better than the alternative, and the media landscape is tilted the other way, doesn't mean they've been good.

Na just describing these threads, it’s nothing but an echo chamber but if it makes you feel good hanging
Around holding each others hands whilst blaming everything bad on Dutton, Abbott and even Howard you do you. Its actually funny

 

[AvantGardener]

They do. There’s just not nearly as much money to be made from a left wing stance as from a right wing. You’re being absolutist.

So, regardless of profit, there does exist left wing media?

 

[Boxo004]

Funny how there was little crying about the media when it it looked like a Labor victory was a lock, now it's every second post on here.

It’s hilarious mate. They’re even blaming Howard for the current state of play. Like **** me talk about a hand full of straws, besides if Dutton’s so bad then they have nothing to worry about.

 

[peetoo]

Thinking of getting rooftop solar and voting for Dutton? Choose one cos if you have solar, Dutton will use $14k per person in australia via taxes to build the nuclear which you won’t use.

 

[Bloods86]

Na just describing these threads, it’s nothing but an echo chamber but if it makes you feel good hanging
Around holding each others hands whilst blaming everything bad on Dutton, Abbott and even Howard [emoji2357] you do you. Its actually funny

What's funny is you lot not actually reading the posts you then pretend to summarise.

 

[Bloods86]

It’s hilarious mate. They’re even blaming Howard for the current state of play. Like **** me talk about a hand full of straws, besides if Dutton’s so bad then they have nothing to worry about.

No-one is solely blaming Howard, but for those of us that actually think about politics, there are often underlying factors to current events/trends that were put in place long ago.

It's not up to us to reduce the discussion down to a simple-minded level for others who are lazy thinkers.

 

[Kram]

There is nothing clever about blindly cheerleading.

 

[Bloods86]

Funny how there was little crying about the media when it it looked like a Labor victory was a lock, now it's every second post on here.

I think you'll find that generally when a side looks like they're winning, there's not a lot of analysis as to why they might lose. Doesn't matter which side, it's just basic logic.

It's also partly because you have numpties coming in and saying he's the worst PM ever, as if they only started paying attention to politics in June 2022.

 

[Bloods86]

There is nothing clever about blindly cheerleading.

There is even less clever about making things up.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

How does that work ? A majority of individual Australians voted yes for a GST despite the typical Opposition scare campaign.

Yes, Labor opposed the GST, which was pretty hypocritical given it had previously been Labor policy. But their scare campaign didn’t have the barracking of the 900 pound Murdoch gorilla, the biggest player in Australian media.

Shorten and Labor panicked

Not my recollection. Shorten argued the case on its merits. There was no last minute tinkering, no denial that it meant what it meant, no embarrassed backpedaling. They took it through to election day and then we all learned the voters were more swayed by the scare campaign. There was even research that showed that the people who were most convinced by the scare campaign to vote against Labor were those least affected by it (ie lower-income voters without share portfolios).

You can argue Labor’s campaign could have been more savvy, more ruthless, more imaginative, but panicked it was not.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

So, regardless of profit, there does exist left wing media?

Ish.

 

[AvantGardener]

Ish.

Well I hear a lot about Murdoch being scum and bad. So is Murdoch's crime

1) that he produces media of a certain political persuasion
2) that he successfully produces media of a certain political persuasion
3) he produces media of a right-wing persuasion
4) or something else?