Australia v India, 2nd Test at Perth Stadium Dec 14-18

[Park cricketer]

It's important to distinguish different types of racism. India, just like China, has rampant classicism and while racism is typically thought to be white/non-white, racism exists between cultures, nationalities and languages. There's a wide range of cultures and languages in India, especially classes, and having spoken to Chinese and Indian people about it, there's definite racism between those that have, and those without.

Racism was once thought of as a "Western" phenomenon, but it's existed long before Europeans colonised the other side of the world.

I don't know about China, but there's little classism in India as it is elsewhere. It's a popular misconception among western people just because you see greater disparity between haves and have nots than in the western world.

Racism is practised in a different form called casteism. It's a different sh*t and doesn't have to do with how much money one has. You can have shed loads of money but if you're from the wrong caste, you can still be discriminated.

 

[Demosthenes]

It's such a shame Paine had so many issues with his finger over the years. Back when he was tearing up the ODI team he really was the complete package.

 

[Richard Pryor]

It's such a shame Paine had so many issues with his finger over the years. Back when he was tearing up the ODI team he really was the complete package.

No idea why they put him at 7 to play the Haddin power hitter role when he was recalled to the ODI side when he's always been an limited overs opener. Terrible selection decision.

 

[The Swans Blog]

I don't know about China, but there's little classism in India as it is elsewhere. It's a popular misconception among western people just because you see greater disparity between haves and have nots than in the western world.

Racism is practised in a different form called casteism. It's a different sh*t and doesn't have to do with how much money one has. You can have shed loads of money but if you're from the wrong caste, you can still be discriminated.

Casteism is still a form of classicism, a side effect of British colonisation in India. It's really a mix, but there are other countries where origin and heritage mean more than anything else.

 

[estibador]

Shaw out for the rest of the series

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25556688/prithvi-shaw-ruled-australia-tests

That's a real shame, I was looking forward to seeing the wonderkid in action for the first time.

 

[Demosthenes]

Casteism is still a form of classism, a side effect of British colonisation in India.

Caste, race and class are all very different things.

 

[The Swans Blog]

India do take it to another level. There was one earlier this test where the keeper and all the slips and gully came sprinting in and celebrating. Umpire said not out and they didn't even talk about reviewing. All of them knew it was not out and went off like it was the biggest edge ever.

All countries appeal and so forth but not to that level of excitement trying to convince the umpire they are out

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Pretty sure it was to Finch

 

[Park cricketer]

This is more of a gut feel than anything and some Indian posters may wish to correct me but I suspect India's team is a reflection of the modern India, a country that's confident in itself and not afraid to show that, whereas teams twenty years ago were still far more deferential and post colonial still in attitude.

The Indian hero even in mythologies and various epics has always been portrayed as the one who's the most benevolent and who can do no harm/wrong and one who is blemishless. It's not like there haven't been Indians who have been flogs, there have been plenty of them. But by and large, the population wanted their role models to be the perfect sort of one and would feel uncomfortable if they were brash or uncouth. And guys like Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, etc., were from the same generation.

Then liberalisation happened in the Indian economy in 1990s after years of having a closed one, and then the Indian economy started to encounter a massive boost something it hadn't experienced and something that should have started in the 70s (like China but for various socialist policies). With the economic boom, globalisation happened and it also reflected in the modern generation somewhat who became more confident and etc. There's a section of belief that India got colonised because it wasn't aggressive enough, you get the drift.

Anyway Kohli is probably the one who drastically shifted the behaviour and at first people were shocked by his behaviour actually (many people still don't approve of it even now) when there was this young brash kid who was uber talented, but who was also very mouthy and one who celebrated his milestones with gaalis (cuss words). He has matured a little and stopped those but he still is the same chirpy chatty guy he was in the past but has learnt to control his emotions better and play mind games where he would let the emotions get the better of him in the past.

P.S.: Apart from Kohli, the team is by and large still very much a reserve one.

Vijay - reserved
Rahul - hardly sledges
Pujara - calm
Rahane - calm
Pant - a throwback to the chirpy keepers of old times but hardly uncouth
Vihari - calm
Ashwin - hardly sledges
And the Indian fast bowlers hardly sledge especially Bumrah and Umesh. Shami and Ishant give a stare, that's about it.

It's only Kohli who stands out and who probably makes up for his fast bowlers.

 

[Park cricketer]

There is a difference between appealing and celebrating a wicket that hasn't been given.

Yes the Indians have definitely overappealed but there is only one guy in the series who has plenty of times started to celebrate when there was no nick even before the umpire has given his decision.

And that's Tim Paine, I noticed it in Adelaide and he has done it here as well 3-4 times. I was like wow this guy is probably the 2nd best in the world in this Philander celebrappeal thing after De Kock (who's the worst by far). It just doesn't get noticed by people because he doesn't chirp as often as Pant and has a nice boy image inviting people to smile and celebrate with him.

 

[FRUMPY]

I wouldn't be surprised if we go wicketless for good hr this morning. Pitch seems easier to bat on after a morning roll and then when the sun bakes it a bit it becomes hard to bat on. Get one more wicket and the last 4 will crumble.

Biggest difference to India's bowling attack is we have Lyon. He will be hard to bat against all day.

 

[Cupid Stunt]

Paine has shown that if you're going to sledge, make it a good one.

I like those smarter wittier types of sledges, they hit home a bit harder cos there’s a touch of truth to them.

We need to sledge more in that fashion rather than the abusive ‘swearing calling people names’ sledges. That stuff is just dumb, everyone knows it’s garbage so it has no impact and just makes u look like a tool. Witty, funny, semi-truthful sledges are the way to go.

 

[PT Bar None]

Pant is the danger man imo. Can score quickly and put us under some pressure should we not get any wickets.

Especially whilst the pitch is still under the effect of the heavy roller

 

[Richard Pryor]

Vijay - reserved

I don't think Dinesh Karthik would agree .

Well written post though, appreciate it. I would class Kohli along with Sulieman Benn as fast bowlers stuck in the wrong body, both of them could probably do with letting off a bit of steam by sending a few sizzling hot CHERRY fajitas at express pace.

 

[madmug]

The Indian hero even in mythologies and various epics has always been portrayed as the one who's the most benevolent and who can do no harm/wrong and one who is blemishless. It's not like there haven't been Indians who have been flogs, there have been plenty of them. But by and large, the population wanted their role models to be the perfect sort of one and would feel uncomfortable if they were brash or uncouth. And guys like Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, etc., were from the same generation.

Then liberalisation happened in the Indian economy in 1990s after years of having a closed one, and then the Indian economy started to encounter a massive boost something it hadn't experienced and something that should have started in the 70s (like China but for various socialist policies). With the economic boom, globalisation happened and it also reflected in the modern generation somewhat who became more confident and etc. There's a section of belief that India got colonised because it wasn't aggressive enough, you get the drift.

Anyway Kohli is probably the one who drastically shifted the behaviour and at first people were shocked by his behaviour actually (many people still don't approve of it even now) when there was this young brash kid who was uber talented, but who was also very mouthy and one who celebrated his milestones with gaalis (cuss words). He has matured a little and stopped those but he still is the same chirpy chatty guy he was in the past but has learnt to control his emotions better and play mind games where he would let the emotions get the better of him in the past.

P.S.: Apart from Kohli, the team is by and large still very much a reserve one.

Vijay - reserved
Rahul - hardly sledges
Pujara - calm
Rahane - calm
Pant - a throwback to the chirpy keepers of old times but hardly uncouth
Vihari - calm
Ashwin - hardly sledges
And the Indian fast bowlers hardly sledge especially Bumrah and Umesh. Shami and Ishant give a stare, that's about it.

It's only Kohli who stands out and who probably makes up for his fast bowlers.

The nature of cricket itself was once all about gentlemanly behaviour.

Then the 'professionals' were allowed to play with the 'Gentlemen' & it was down hill from there.

India (Kohli) is doing no different to countless other Aussies & poms have done for decades. The West Indies went through the same thing. Self deprecating, then came guys like Viv Richards who took it back up to the Aussies & Poms.

I think the sooner the serious 'gamesmanship' is ended & we get back to better behaviour, the better for the game.

 

[Park cricketer]

Casteism is still a form of classicism, a side effect of British colonisation in India. It's really a mix, but there are other countries where origin and heritage mean more than anything else.

Casteism is different. I wouldn't call it a side effect of British colonisation. Poverty in India, certainly. But not casteism which has a much longer history before the British empire.

 

[ams4crows]

Quick question for the Indian fans out there that live in Australia, were born here in Australia or their Children were born here in Australia.

If your Child is tracking as a wonderful cricket prospect would you want them to play for Australia? Would they want to play for Australia if they grew up in a household that supported India?

I find it strange that Indians love cricket, I see them at junior level, yet very few play / make it to state level.

 

[PT Bar None]

Ishant took the last dumpling?

 

[Tiff]

Wtf “get rid of that slur” then the in-fighting graphic disappeared.

Very odd.

 

[Richard Pryor]

The nature of cricket itself was once all about gentlemanly behaviour.

Then the 'professionals' were allowed to play with the 'Gentlemen' & it was down hill from there.

India (Kohli) is doing no different to countless other Aussies & poms have done for decades. The West Indies went through the same thing. Self deprecating, then came guys like Viv Richards who took it back up to the Aussies & Poms.

I think the sooner the serious 'gamesmanship' is ended & we get back to better behaviour, the better for the game.

Would add as a caveat that Roy Gilchrist defied the norm and was far from self deprecating (to a fault)!

 

[Feerits Elf]

I like those smarter wittier types of sledges, they hit home a bit harder cos there’s a touch of truth to them.

We need to sledge more in that fashion rather than the abusive ‘swearing calling people names’ sledges. That stuff is just dumb, everyone knows it’s garbage so it has no impact and just makes u look like a tool. Witty, funny, semi-truthful sledges are the way to go.

Well said Cupid Stunt

 

[frankrizzo]

I've got no truck with what Kohli's doing apart from the fact that it hasn't really worked for him.

Kohli walking over and stepping into paine after Paine stood up to kohli was the only issue.

It's exactly what our lot used to do and that is when the talk doesn't rattle the bloke you get frustrated and take it too far.

 

[RohitSharma]

I have toasted my bread and put on margarine, ready for this test. Time to win this one to honor my injury

 

[HBF]

Hopefully this is done by lunch.

 

[RohitSharma]

Kohli walking over and stepping into paine after Paine stood up to kohli was the only issue.

It's exactly what our lot used to do and that is when the talk doesn't rattle the bloke you get frustrated and take it too far.

Your blokes used to do between overs, while completing a run coming into him didn't look good

 

[Park cricketer]

I don't think Dinesh Karthik would agree .

Well written post though, appreciate it. I would class Kohli along with Sulieman Benn as fast bowlers stuck in the wrong body, both of them could probably do with letting off a bit of steam by sending a few sizzling hot CHERRY fajitas at express pace.

Well I don't know about that given DK got dealt the better hand from the fiasco