AW and that shoulder

[peterss]

Who do you expect to take Walkers spot in the side?

 

[Beloved]

Who do you expect to take Walkers spot in the side?

Hopefully a guy like Kade Simpson or Heath Scotland - someone who can run from the Half Back Flank to the Half Forward Flank and deliver the ball onto the chest of the man leading.

 

[40yearBLUE]

ever dislocated you shoulder or knee? ive done both

like i said tadgh kennelly must have quite a high pain threshold and he was at risk of further damage and any one of those dislocations were slightly more severe he would of needed surgery straight away, just like porpyzia of adelaide who missed the finals series leaving his club in a hole if they got he surgery done early he may of been back by finals and definetly missed no pre season.

Basically every time it happens the joint weakens and it gets easy and easy for it to happen again and that doesnt mean less painful in fact teh pain last longer.

We have a playe witha similar problemand thankfully we do the surgery instead of trying to ruin his joint entirley by making him play with a loose shoulder.

So doubt me all you like but if its make him play with a loose shoulder is the choice well good luck soon i hope you like elephant shots

Let me address your points 1 at a time. But first let me point out, I have no idea the nature of the injury, in fact I would argue none of us do, we are all merely speculating out of interest. So here are my counterpoints:

What one man can do, another can do.

Players have varying degrees of pain threshold, most way above average as they train to push through pain barriers. They could not get to elite athlete without such ability.

Players play with pain on a weekly or even daily basis. They either already feel it or know they will. If you are in any doubt about this, visit the past players assoc. and ask them. It is rare indeed to find a player that does not experience ongoing pain as a result of their football career.

Players play knowing that long term damage can be (and likely will be) a consequence of playing and none but the most immediate and catastrophic of long term damage (loss of vision, total and permanent incapacity, etc) will deter most players from playing on despite this advice. I am sure club doctors and admin counsel players well and are very clear in their advise regarding playing with injury since Adrian Whitehead.

Players nearing the end of a fulfilled career may not choose to play on as a result of such a threat but players such as Tex with so much unfulfilled potential (this Player has the athleticism and skills to be anything but has been dogged by injury) would find it very difficult to accept walking away. I don't condone it, just reporting what I believe to be the psych of the elite athlete. Again postulating pure speculation.

Finally, 99% of non Carlton posters on here are posting for one purpose only and it aint to participate in genuine discussion, case in point the Essendon pickle hoiley80 so excuse me if I lump you in with that lot but you may be a statistical anomaly.

One final point, you might want to try posting in English for the rest of us to be able to understand your points. (kidding, but there is spellcheck)

Thy, I wasn't making light of Tex's injury, just hoping for the best and hoping others might shed light or wishful thinking that he may be able to play this season despite this setback because I too felt he was ready to stamp his authority on the game. Like you I felt the news had the potential to be heartbreaking but am hoping it aint so. Say it aint so.

 

[Salaryman]

I am ****ing wild.

Well you are certainly not domesticated

 

[Madblue]

As much as i like Tex and his "potential" we should have traded him at the end of last season and got something good in return while he had some trade value. He is unfortunately way to injury prone to play AFL plus his kicking has always been and issue. Hope for good news though !

 

[Murph_The_Smurf]

Posterior (back) dislocations are less common and in my experience, harder to get right.

I'll flick through the thread to see any other details.

I have only read that he "injured it".

O.K., so all we know is it isn't then same injury, and maybe it popped out.

My understanding of his last injury, initially sustained in the massive loss to the Hawks in Rnd 12 2007, was that is was a labrum tear (cartilage in the shoulder where the biceps attaches) and that this was operated on unsuccessfully, re-injured in the practice game vs Dogs and then repaired.

I am not aware of him having completely dislocated the shoulder before.

IF he has dislocated it this time the prognosis really depends on a number of things:
Whether it came out completely or partially
Whether there is any damage to the surfaces of the humerus (ball) or glenoid (socket) - hence the scans.

Best case - shoulder comes half out, no structural damage. Rest it for a couple of weeks then strngthen the rotator cuff and play with shoulder taped, cross your fingers and hope it doesn't come out fully. Playing in 4 weeks, would play a GF if required this week.

Worst case - full dislocation with labral (glenoid) damage. Full reconstruction, 3-6 months give or take, much he smae as last year.....may appear towards the end of the year.

Sorry I can't be much more help, but there isn't much info to go on.

Hopefully for Tex it isn't a case of popping out but just inflammed and they are overreacting because of the history.

Fingers crossed.

Thanks for all your help bb , we all appreciate your expertise around here !

 

[Crippa#9]

Sunday Herald Sun reports "Its is believed not too be too serious". Hopefully only a 4-6 week let up for Walker and he's back for the beginning of the season or at least by Rd.3-4

 

[AlecDuncan]

Good luck Tex.

 

[BlueBelle]

Let's all wait and see what the surgeon says on Tuesday and in the meantime, pray that it isn't too serious...

 

[Alpha1]

Don't think it's serious my friend says that it looked like he jarred it and didn't look bad at all. Thinks it might be between 3 - 5 weeks.

 

[HBF]

Whilst this is pretty shitty news ....

We can now promote 3 players from our rookie list (given that walker moves onto the LTI).

Hello Mr. Garlett

I have a feeling that seeing as though we can have 2 nominated rookies, Garlett may very well have been called up into the senior list anyway.

 

[HBF]

Sunday Herald Sun reports "Its is believed not too be too serious". Hopefully only a 4-6 week let up for Walker and he's back for the beginning of the season or at least by Rd.3-4

At least that's something positive. Even so, the poor kid just cannot get out onto the park. Hopefully he isn't out of action for too long.

 

[kreuze_missile]

TRADE HIM while he still has some value. Tex is a great athlete but the cons severley outweigh the pro's. He has very poor disposal by foot, has very average decision making skills, has very little defensive pressure (cant lay a tackle cause his shoulders will get stuffed), cant actually get through a season without injuries and he's only actually played one good game for us (debut game) and hasnt been anywhere near that form since. Very disappointing return from a No. 2 pick. I really want him to be a superstar but I just cant see it happening - we need to cut our losses and move on.

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

Very very unlucky for the guy. On the bright side, at least it is not too serious and only meant to be a few weeks out type injury. This means hopefully he'll be ready for the early rounds of the season.

The poor guy though, you'd have to wonder how much of an impact this will have on whether or not he has a succesful long career.

 

[Warsaw]

TRADE HIM while he still has some value. Tex is a great athlete but the cons severley outweigh the pro's. He has very poor disposal by foot, has very average decision making skills, has very little defensive pressure (cant lay a tackle cause his shoulders will get stuffed), cant actually get through a season without injuries and he's only actually played one good game for us (debut game) and hasnt been anywhere near that form since. Very disappointing return from a No. 2 pick. I really want him to be a superstar but I just cant see it happening - we need to cut our losses and move on.

Come off it. You can't be serious. I disagree with pretty much everything you said.

 

[mickelboy182]

I find Tex to be the most exciting player in our team, but it's so sad that I have to wince every time he gets the ball in fear of his shoulders not holding up

So many of us have been saying the biggest difference between us in 08 and us in 09 will be Walks, but we may have to hope this isn't true.
I want this guy to make it more than anyone else on our list, that is 100% truth. I've always stood up for him and I think he cops unfair criticism from (opposition) supporters. I want him to show everyone how amazing he can be....

 

[THE AISSASSIN]

Let's all wait and see what the surgeon says on Tuesday and in the meantime, pray that it isn't too serious...

Almost time for a woop woop ?

 

[BlueBelle]

Almost time for a woop woop ?

You'll be the first one to hear it

 

[Sam The Doc]

TRADE HIM while he still has some value. Tex is a great athlete but the cons severley outweigh the pro's. He has very poor disposal by foot, has very average decision making skills, has very little defensive pressure (cant lay a tackle cause his shoulders will get stuffed), cant actually get through a season without injuries and he's only actually played one good game for us (debut game) and hasnt been anywhere near that form since. Very disappointing return from a No. 2 pick. I really want him to be a superstar but I just cant see it happening - we need to cut our losses and move on.

So your saying his got value but at the same time your describing him as someone who has no idea how to play football?The other 15 clubs will be very interested in him after reading your comments...
u have no idea...

If he can get on the park for a full year hes definately going to rip it up..was working hard with judd throughout the preseason.Hopefully he comes out fine and he can push on from what he has been working on with juddy!!

 

[blues4flag]

Who do you expect to take Walkers spot in the side?

Given that he barely played at all last season, I wouldn't expect it'd be too difficult to replace him. We managed well enough without him, though he'd certainly have added an extra dimension to our side - and might still, all going well.

Hopefully it isn't long term, though you've got to wonder - will he ever get it right?

For those saying we should have traded him, we'd have gotten no where near value. He barely played a game in 08 - I doubt we'd have managed a top 20 pick for him and I'd be livid if he was traded for anything less than a first round pick (mind you, I'd be livid no matter what he was traded for).

 

[PeeKay]

Not much we can do but wait and see the results of his examination on Tuesday. No more speculation.
He and Hartlett are unfortunate buggers who keep getting injured. Remember Livingston!! Goodbye Livo!!
Now as somobody else has said..... when one goes down it creates an opportunity for someone else. Maybe Mitch Robinson as he seems to have similar qualities to Walker in that he can "bust" a game open. Remember the Blues had him marked at a No 9 selection and picked him up at pick 40.
I'd love "Tex" to be fully fit and available, but if it's not the case then it's not the case.
Maybe it's time for someone to design a special shoulder strap for these type weaknesses in players.

 

[Warsaw]

If Robbo isn't in prime contention for getting a spot in the 22 come Round 1 then I will be pretty dissapointed.

 

[CrippsonBlue]

If Robbo isn't in prime contention for getting a spot in the 22 come Round 1 then I will be pretty dissapointed.

Prime contention based on what? While every player would be considered, I'd be slightly disapointed if he did line up in Round 1 - Not only would I like to see him earn his place in the side with several good games in the 2nds first, we have a few players with more experience ahead of him.

 

[THE AISSASSIN]

Prime contention based on what? While every player would be considered, I'd be slightly disapointed if he did line up in Round 1 - Not only would I like to see him earn his place in the side with several good games in the 2nds first, we have a few players with more experience ahead of him.

Why ?......Ratts indicated strongly that he will be given an opportunity in the NAB cup......that is stronger form than VFL form...if the kid is good enough should we hold him back just because he was picked @#40 not @1 like Murph and BG who played from Rnd 1?

 

[blues4flag]

Why ?......Ratts indicated strongly that he will be given an opportunity in the NAB cup......that is stronger form than VFL form...if the kid is good enough should we hold him back just because he was picked @#40 not @1 like Murph and BG who played from Rnd 1?

Fair point, though competition for spots is a lot tougher now then when Gibbs and Murphy were debuting. We've got some pretty good midfield depth and a few guys could consider themselves unlucky to miss out, particularly when they'd likely have been walk up starts a couple years ago.

Which is a good thing. All good sides require depth - look at a top 4 side of recent years and you'll find that rarely a first year player will be selected from day 1. Obvious exception being Rioli, who was drafted to meet a need, much like Yarran. Even Selwood was in and out of the side throughout the first half of 07.