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They've definitely got rocks in their head if they give up a first rounder for a scragger like Baker
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They've definitely got rocks in their head if they give up a first rounder for a scragger like Baker
How does Hawthorn or Pies get the deal done?
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What is there to dispute?
There has always been 3 clubs linked to Bailey Smith with Geelong the front runner. The other two were Hawthorn & Collingwood, you can dispute that all you like, but you’re wrong.
Until Bailey speaks, it’s all speculation. He could want to play for Sydney for all you know.
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Can’t speak for Hawks, but Pies could offer F1.
Sounds like also magic beans could get it done.
Dogs probably wouldn’t accept Pies f1. There’s a lot of risk involved with that, as pies are every chance to be good again next year.
It’s safer just to take both Geelong’s firsts even they will be picks in the 20s after academies.
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Poor bugger hasn't even officially nominated a club yet and is already being sent to the PSD!
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I don’t think he is worth 2 x first rounders though.
He is coming off an ACL, so as you say there is risk of Pies F1 but there is also a risk of recruiting Smith now that he has had a significant injury. Risk for a risk I say!
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Yup and was a professional contest shirker. Dogs should do well out of this, already replaced him with a better midfielder in Ed Richards and should get a decent draft / player haul.
The massive projection from this post to claim a club was using mental health to drive a player out is disgusting.
Not on dude.
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Absolutely Cats were talking to him last year but its definetely not taking advantage of his mental health. There's more to the picture of him leaving. Geelong have something to offer him and both parties can achieve a positive and mutual partnership.
Was Geelong bringing in Tyson Stengle taking advantage of Stengle?
But yes if the shoe were on the other foot i'd be annoyed about him leaving too.
And actually the deal itself will have very little to do with him leaving or negotiations.
There's a difference between saying a club was in a player's ear (happens all the time with every club and player) and then someone conflating that to abusing mental health for personal gain.
First one is a normal custom of professional sports, the second one is just an unjustified emotional response over a bunch of guys kicking a ball around a field, totally uncalled for.
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Okay, I admit that part was in poor taste in wording. I know all about mental health, have lived on anxiety pills and depression pills for years. And a long term plan to off myself well before I get anywhere near old. So I view anything with scepticism, given my own negative experiences from others when dealing with it myself.
But my main point stands. It is clear the Cats were in his ear long ago. I am not buying it that they were not. If my club was in Holmes ear 18 months ago, and he wanted out, then I'd expect us to lose a little leverage on any deal. If you have been working behinds the scenes for over a year.
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I don't know why Cats fans are even hesitant on paying the two (very late) firsts. If there's any club that can bet a future 1st comfortably, it's the Cats who basically make a prelim every year. ACLs don't seem as career threatening as they used to, particularly when done youngish.
At least this one will keep trade radio busy for the full two weeks.
At least this one will keep trade radio busy for the full two weeks.
It's fine man we all have gone through our struggles at some point just want to make it clear that I don't think we should be making projections about what team's are/are not doing without evidence, especially if they've shown no indication of doing things to give precedence to it.
The second part i totally agree with you, the difference is Holmes re-signed up with the club. Bailey didn't.
I'm not saying Cats won't have to pay or get creative either, just that you have way more leverage with contracted player over OOC players. Cats went through same thing with multiple players too so it's not just a one way thing. All clubs deal with it. I totally get the frustration.
Trying not be bias, I know that’ll get groans being a Cat support
Cons
ACL / injury time away from the game
OOC
Off field issue, might be random incident
Mental issues (I know that shouldn’t be a factor but it didn’t work out for the cats with Stevens. Not trying to be disrespectful in any way towards anyone with health issue but it will be part taken into consideration I would imagine )
Apparently contract offer isn’t huge (in the media, I’m sure everyone has read the article or some info on it), in form of asking price due to contract price
Pros
Gun when fully going
Hasn’t stated a side yet
Alleged contract size, by report most clubs could afford it
Onus is on the club chasing the player to make a fair offer
Arguments on trade value
At peak, 2 1st
At worst, 1 1st
Expected outcome from a Geelong perspective imo is 1 1st & fringe player or future 2nd
Until Geelong is nominated, it could be a few teams that come at him hard - no one knows the future
Cons
ACL / injury time away from the game
OOC
Off field issue, might be random incident
Mental issues (I know that shouldn’t be a factor but it didn’t work out for the cats with Stevens. Not trying to be disrespectful in any way towards anyone with health issue but it will be part taken into consideration I would imagine )
Apparently contract offer isn’t huge (in the media, I’m sure everyone has read the article or some info on it), in form of asking price due to contract price
Pros
Gun when fully going
Hasn’t stated a side yet
Alleged contract size, by report most clubs could afford it
Onus is on the club chasing the player to make a fair offer
Arguments on trade value
At peak, 2 1st
At worst, 1 1st
Expected outcome from a Geelong perspective imo is 1 1st & fringe player or future 2nd
Until Geelong is nominated, it could be a few teams that come at him hard - no one knows the future
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Yes, thank you. And once again I apologize for my poor choice and use of words.
You do have a point. But there is another thing that I always question when people say this player is out of contract. Contract or no contract, they are not a free agent and still needed to be traded for true?
So I don't think it hurts the value as much as some think, or as much as the ACL would affect his value perhaps. I think the biggest debates will come down to his age, potential, and also come down to the Cats contract offer. If its a long deal on decent coin, thats when the Dogs will be like "hey hang on! you say he is worth only this trade wise, but your offer to him indicates otherwise". You're right, no team likes losing players. A lot more happens behind the scenes than we ever hear of. I have no issue of other clubs talking to players, just not a fan when it feels like it was a long term thing. Either way, I hope both teams work out a positive conclusion. And I think they will, despite the differing opinions on here. Clubs normally do fair deals.
I don’t think people understand that Geelong’s first is terrible.
If cats offered their first and a second like you say, they’d be laughed all the way back to Geelong.
I don’t think people understand you’ll get what you’ll get regardless of what people say or think here
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