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Talk about playing with fire. High risk, high reward move for b Melbourne that could work out very beneficial for both sides.
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Confirmed Bailey Smith: 4-way trade: B. Smith (WB) & pick 45 to Geel / pick 38 to Carl / Macrae (WB) to StK / pick 17 & Kennedy (Carl) to WB
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I wouldn’t rule them out if they’re willing to pay what he’s worth and Geelong aren’t.
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Melbourne are in a funny position because they're either all in for a flag or needing to reset. I don't see them trading pick 5 but there is a world where it could happen.
Stop pretending you're above it all."Pre-season draft"
"Trade him to the highest bidder"
Yep, this thread is gonna be an absolute ripper.
It's not unfair for the dogs to want 2 late first rounders which are basically second rounders in the 20s when Geelong inevitably make top 4 again next year, for a pick 7 entering his prime. It's disingenuous to say its unfair they are two first rounders.
to court Smith for 18 months then have the hide to call the dogs and say they weren't and then offer trash in the 20s is horseshit.
Geelong supporters can act like you don't need him and he's not good enough, but the second that trade goes through he'll be the best thing since sliced bread and you can't believe you got such a bargain.
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It doesn't matter what Melbourne or the Bulldogs wants. Its what Bailey wants and he wants to go to the Cats.
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What have Geelong offered? Quotes from Mackie/Wells?
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You’re not wrong. There’s been nothing from Geelong. He hasn’t even nominated them yet.
It’s very likely they’re happy to pay the two firsts, and the negotiations involve whether it’s a f3 or current third sent back with Baz.
Pretty sure the majority is your board saying we don’t need him and he’s not that good, can’t kick etc. I think Geelong fans in the main could take it or leave it, similar to OHenry, Smith is a want not a need and we will walk away if the price is too high, we’ve got nothing to lose here.
Now that would be taking the pi55, given a season pass could be got for the price of two day passes, but I think it’s a good starting point.
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Once again Mackie negotiating in bad faith. Tut tut.
Examples?
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It kinda matters what the Bulldogs want. He's currently their player.
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I am not sure on draft status, but I believe some draftees have dropped due to the fact they had knee injuries. Kemp and Lever are two that I can think of, a few years ago now.
I am also unsure if other people believe whether an ACL injury impacts trade value. I imagine there would be some that do and some that don't. Probably depends on which side of the trade they are sitting.
Esava trade was reasonable, the shits and giggles were the haggling over p63 and everyone losing their minds as to why Mackie was standing his ground over a late pick. Geelong fans laughing at how good Lawson Humphries has been as a result. Given it’s the BS thread I’d go as far as to say I’d take a 21yo LH over 23yo BS if I had to choose.Mind manipulating Port in taking Esava.
You will pay a 2nd rounder for Esava.
seriously, no one is going to choose to go to melbourne right now......absolute debacle
its geelong people, accept it
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Is it weird to say the ACL shouldn't really matter when discussing his value?
If your club chases him and offers a reported 5-6 year deal on big money (as in will likely be the highest paid mid at your club once he signs), then obviously you don't believe the knee is an issue and his health has been ticked off. If you offer him big contract for a lot of years, it's sort of hard to turn around and then say ahh yeah the trade value isn't good though because his knee is stuffed. Why are you investing heavily in him then?
If your club chases him and offers a reported 5-6 year deal on big money (as in will likely be the highest paid mid at your club once he signs), then obviously you don't believe the knee is an issue and his health has been ticked off. If you offer him big contract for a lot of years, it's sort of hard to turn around and then say ahh yeah the trade value isn't good though because his knee is stuffed. Why are you investing heavily in him then?
Trash trading in that Collingwood got a Brownlow medallist for a guy they sat in the VFL for half a year and replaced with their mid season pickup? The same one where Geelong gave up their own first round pick player in Stephens?
That trade? Haha are you sure that's the example you want to go with?
Port wanted Rats, offered him huge 5 year, 700k+ deal but didn't want to give more than a third rounder?
I agree he's not worth a first round pick...but not even a 2nd rounder? They wanted to give hm a huge deal but didn't want to give up anything of value at all. Like late 3rd round pick for a guy you want to pay huge money to bring in.
I just think it's way overblown by Reddit, BigFooty people who aren't ITK because they have Tall Poppy Syndrome
List Managers run it like a business, that's why they don't get salty.
The irony is crazy
I've seen it quoted on BigFooty that the deal isn't for 5 or 6 years, it's actually only on 4 for lower money than expected and that the report of "6 yEaRs" was probably coming from his agent to get more years/dollars. But we don't know obviously until it all comes out.
I do agree on this premise until we suffered the same thing with Ratugolea where Port gave him 5 years on way bigger money than expected and then didn't want to give up more than a late 3rd rounder for him.
So by that logic, Cats can claim the same with Smith right? Oh we'll pay him but hes also OOC so we don't have to give up much?
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