And we didn't get our way did we?....Do you not see my point?
Why are others allowed to do it to us but we can't do it to others?
Only we are judged harshly for it. Tall Poppy Syndrome. Keep that same energy
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And we didn't get our way did we?....Do you not see my point?
Why are others allowed to do it to us but we can't do it to others?
Only we are judged harshly for it. Tall Poppy Syndrome. Keep that same energy
Have a think...why would we feel like we could do the same then? If others can do it, why can't we?
Exactly my point...so thanks lol, why can't we be hard on others teams?....you guys will sit here and say dumb shit like this.
May as well play hardball, people are gonna hate either way.
Rata is VFL depth at best. That’d be like us asking for a first for Ryan Gardiner.
Maybe if your club didn't call ours telling us that you weren't going hard for Smith ... and then that sly prick Scott sits on AFL360 and denies it.
I look forward to seeing CottonOn paying Smith a fair bit more and the AFL looking the other way
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Oh by losing out on players you mean like Prime Tim Kelly and Jordan Clark who now is a AA squad level talent?
Not to mention prime Gary Ablett for basically nothing.
The logic still applies, and he's been best 22 for Port every week.
So obviously they valued him right?
Geelong wouldn't let Kelly go home for family reasons and then played hard ball despite him not being contracted the following year. You're now crying poor that the dogs want more than a crap pick in the 20s for Smith who you know will be your key piece in the midfield
The fact you can't see it is the problem. Take your blinkers off
Hang on? Tim was happy to stay. He left because he has two children with disabilities and his wife wanted support.
Tim said the whole time he was happy to play for the Cats
Cats did everything to support him through that time, went above and beyond.
Also, i've been saying we should pay 2024 First and multiple seconds so i don't think your gripe is with me.
I've been offering suggestions of a lot more than what other Cats fans reckon.
I even entertained the idea of trading for a better first this year. You know, trying to be reasonable and all that?
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people melting about not getting a second rounder for Esava is peak comedy
We’ve lost Krueger, Clarke, Caddy, McCarthy just to name a few for under, it happens, we just don’t bitch and moan about it so much..
As opposed to sooking about offers for Smith and comparing him to Tim Kelly who nearly won a Brownlow?
Smith is a good player, but he has never been on that level...ever
Keep that same energy right? The logic applies the same.
SweatOnMySkin
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do you think every poster in here is the same person?
have you considered logging off today?
You say that as if that’s a good deal. Sam Power would burst into tears laughing if Geelong came to the table with that.
It wasn't even a dogs supporter who made that connection yet you keep running with it.
I said Geelong played hardball with WC for Kelly and didn't let him leave initially, but now you are crying poor that the dogs want something resembling fair value for Smith.
Yeah I wouldn't mind it. I don't think missing out on a pick in the 20's will break our list build. We've already just had a year without any contribution from Smith so we know what that looks like already
I'm not crying poor? Where did i say that i didn't want to give up picks for Smith?
Again, i said above that If i was running the show I would would even look to try and move up to get a better first if it came to that.
Think you're applying a broad brush and assuming we all think the same way. But then you guys sit here and say Cats are assholes for playing hardball...yet other teams do the exact same thing and suddenly that logic doesn't apply.
I think you guys are severely overrating Smith's value. I know i personally am a bigger fan of Smith than most Cats fans but even i'd walk away if it came down to trading multiple firsts. That's just me though, someone else may feel different.
I would look to improve our own First but yeah multiple firsts? I personally wouldn't do it.
Likewise, the club will walk if that is the case.
Smith is worth a high end first and then throw in the steak knives to sweeten the deal.
If Smith's knee remains sturdy for the rest of his career, Geelong will win this trade in a landslide as they likely pickup a bloke who can hover around the top 10 players in the competition for multiple years.
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Multiple firsts is way too broad when speaking out a player's value, I don't know why AFL media always do this, it's such a massive range of value.
Multiple firsts being picks 7 and 10 - Yep too much to trade
Multiple firsts being picks 20 and 18 - not an amazing haul for a guy of the calibre of Bailey Smith, but is probably pretty fair value in an out of contract player trade. Especially if it ended up with the dogs giving later picks back also...
I agree with you. If Geelong can get that first somehow, it’ll be done on the first day.
And that's the thing, i think most Cats fans are assuming a big drop off in 2025 with retirements/a much harder schedule.
I think that's the hesitation, that the 2025 First won't be a pick 16 or 20 or whatever it pushes out to like this year's and now Dogs want both.
Surely there's middle ground here?
Why do people think, player A if a deal don't get done, they will send them in the draft
99% of players and clubs will work out and a deal will get done.. people need to stress less. And I'll repeat a deal between a 2 clubs will get done
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