Confirmed Bailey Smith: 4-way trade: B. Smith (WB) & pick 45 to Geel / pick 38 to Carl / Macrae (WB) to StK / pick 17 & Kennedy (Carl) to WB

[Pure_Ownage]

"The cliff" of a game you lost by two goals, gee. You weren't hammered by 10 goals. Even if you were, you're still a likely chance to play finals next year.

Max Holmes and Jeremy Cameron (and if the trade gets executed, Bailey Smith lol) will still be running around winning games for you next year.

You didnt watch the holes in the team then? I dont view us as likely for finals next year at all with or without smith.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

You didnt watch the holes in the team then? I dont view us as likely for finals next year at all with or without smith.

Just like the holes from 2023 meant that you dropped further on the ladder for 2024, yeah?

 

[halfback dasher]

You didnt watch the holes in the team then? I dont view us as likely for finals next year at all with or without smith.

So why would Smith join you guys if your view is correct ?

 

[THE_GUN]

This trade just become a hell of alot easier now

 

[TylerDurden]

So why would Smith join you guys if your view is correct ?

Wanted the keys to the midfield.

 

[Pencil case]

This trade just become a hell of alot easier now

Agreed. Berry will probably be available at 15, if not Hotton will. Dogs will be happy with that for Smith.

Add in the second and it might be done on the first day.

 

[FootyLad0]

Agreed. Berry will probably be available at 15, if not Hotton will. Dogs will be happy with that for Smith.

Add in the second and it might be done on the first day.

1st and 2nd like it’s been said all along.
Let’s just get it done already.

Hurry up Trade Week lol

 

[FootyLad0]

All those years everyone said Geelong would drop and your supporters base gnashed teeth.

Now that it suits you for a trade they'll drop this year after potentially winning the flag

Having Joel ****ing Selwood and Tom ****ing Hawkins probably contributed to that mate, saying it before was unhinged.
Saying it now when the list is about to get a buttload younger isn’t.

especially when you aren’t replacing not one but TWO legends of the game, it’s probably going to be hard to maintain that level.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Did you not watch the game tonight? The cliff is absolutely coming and geelong wont make the 8 next year. To trade a future 1st with our list profile for anyone not named harley reid would be absolute madness. I dont see it happening.

You were a couple goals off another GF. You make the top 4 about 60% of the time in recent years and I'm guessing you miss the 8 about 1 in 5 times in recent years. Smart moneys on Geelong top 4 next year.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Pick 15 and 35 would be a fair trade.

Won't be 15 and 35 on draft night. It will be about pick 20 and 38. Would you be happy with that?
I would rate Smith at a pick in the range of 8-14 and I'm not talking points value which is bs value.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

You were a couple goals off another GF. You make the top 4 about 60% of the time in recent years and I'm guessing you miss the 8 about 1 in 5 times in recent years. Smart moneys on Geelong top 4 next year.

Thats just a poor analysis. The list is ageing compared to 2022 and has holes it didnt have then. Realistically top 4 will no longer be in our grasp and thats ok.

 

[Doggy]

Thats just a poor analysis. The list is ageing compared to 2022 and has holes it didnt have then. Realistically top 4 will no longer be in our grasp and thats ok.

Stop it.

The majority of those who may retire have barely played and certainly have not in weeks.

You're making excuses and there's no way the dogs are buying what Geelong supporters are trying to sell

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Stop it.

The majority of those who may retire have barely played and certainly have not in weeks.

You're making excuses and there's no way the dogs are buying what Geelong supporters are trying to sell

Its not an excuse mate ive been saying it since 2022. You just havent been paying attention until 5 minutes ago.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Thats just a poor analysis. The list is ageing compared to 2022 and has holes it didnt have then. Realistically top 4 will no longer be in our grasp and thats ok.

It goes both ways PO. That core has aged out, but the kids we have at our disposal are both better, and/or improved since 2022.

You're taunting the Dogs fans here while being so forthright on it all, and leaving no room for ambiguity. Its coming across as disingenuous, whether you're intending it or not.

I actually agree with a lot of what you're saying, and it's certainly a possibility - but hammering the thread like the 2025 ladder is already locked in isn't helping anybody.

The whole reason we're allegedly reluctant to trade the F1 is we're wary of what could happen.

It's what every club would do in this situation, and they have to weigh up the positives and negatives because that's what they're paid to do. It's the way it is.

Dogs supporters might have their own thoughts on that, but they'd be more inclined to see where you're coming from if you mentioned that rather than just spamming "tHe clIff wIlL cOmE" after the side just missed a GF by two kicks.

 

[4Seasons]

Won't be 15 and 35 on draft night. It will be about pick 20 and 38. Would you be happy with that?
I would rate Smith at a pick in the range of 8-14 and I'm not talking points value which is bs value.

Why do people make a big deal about pick 15 becoming pick 20?
The 5 players that push the pick back aren't really available to all clubs.
So if pick 15 becomes pick 20, you still get to pick the 15th best available player, you just miss out on 5 that weren't available to you.

 

[bluespooner]

You didnt watch the holes in the team then? I dont view us as likely for finals next year at all with or without smith.

I actually think this should make Geelong even more desperate for a classy mid like Bailey Smith. Geelong are extremely close to another flag with the players they have in key positions in their back half and forward line; but i think the concensus is that they're desperate for more class in the midfield.

Bulldogs need to hold their nerve and demand a trade return similar to what Geelong received with Tim Kelly.

 

[Doggy]

I actually think this should make Geelong even more desperate for a classy mid like Bailey Smith. Geelong are extremely close to another flag with the players they have in key positions in their back half and forward line; but i think the concensus is that they're desperate for more class in the midfield.

Bulldogs need to hold their nerve and demand a trade return similar to what Geelong received with Tim Kelly.

If you read what Geelong supporters are saying here there's a good chance that next year's first will be top 10

Even though most of those leaving have barely played this year

 

[A Bit Dusty]

I actually think this should make Geelong even more desperate for a classy mid like Bailey Smith. Geelong are extremely close to another flag with the players they have in key positions in their back half and forward line; but i think the concensus is that they're desperate for more class in the midfield.

Bulldogs need to hold their nerve and demand a trade return similar to what Geelong received with Tim Kelly.

That won't happen Tim Kelly was at the top of the tree in 2021 where Smith is coming off an ACL and although a good player isn't a star. I do believe he is worth a late 1st round pick though.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Why do people make a big deal about pick 15 becoming pick 20?
The 5 players that push the pick back aren't really available to all clubs.
So if pick 15 becomes pick 20, you still get to pick the 15th best available player, you just miss out on 5 that weren't available to you.

That's not quite right. Players like Battle give some clubs two bites and some clubs get extra selections like North last year. You're also still selecting the 20th best player and not the 15th no matter how you sell it.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I actually think this should make Geelong even more desperate for a classy mid like Bailey Smith. Geelong are extremely close to another flag with the players they have in key positions in their back half and forward line; but i think the concensus is that they're desperate for more class in the midfield.

Bulldogs need to hold their nerve and demand a trade return similar to what Geelong received with Tim Kelly.

They are entitled to do that but if they do we will walk and they will ultimately likely lose him for nothing. We arent likely to overpay with where our list is at.

 

[bulldogs201616]

Won't be 15 and 35 on draft night. It will be about pick 20 and 38. Would you be happy with that?
I would rate Smith at a pick in the range of 8-14 and I'm not talking points value which is bs value.

Yeah I'd be happy with that. We will still have access to the same players just a few picks later.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

If you read what Geelong supporters are saying here there's a good chance that next year's first will be top 10

Even though most of those leaving have barely played this year

Thats not actually true
Tuohy played 18 games
Duncan played 22
Stanley played 14 (although you can argue he would have played none if conway was fit but we are no closer to knowing if he will be fit next year)
Rohan played 12
Hawk played 12 (unti injury)

The only one that got surpassed was bews who spent 3/4 of the year in the vfl but even he got brought back for finals because some of our kids werent ready yet.

Yes some of these guys are not what they were but the real question is do we have the quality ready to come in now and step up? Those watching our vfl team would suggest a few of those kids arent ready so they will either have to improve quickly this offseason or we will need to draft more mature agers like mannagh. Otherwise we will tumble down next year.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

It goes both ways PO. That core has aged out, but the kids we have at our disposal are both better, and/or improved since 2022.

You're taunting the Dogs fans here while being so forthright on it all, and leaving no room for ambiguity. Its coming across as disingenuous, whether you're intending it or not.

I actually agree with a lot of what you're saying, and it's certainly a possibility - but hammering the thread like the 2025 ladder is already locked in isn't helping anybody.

The whole reason we're allegedly reluctant to trade the F1 is we're wary of what could happen.

It's what every club would do in this situation, and they have to weigh up the positives and negatives because that's what they're paid to do. It's the way it is.

Dogs supporters might have their own thoughts on that, but they'd be more inclined to see where you're coming from if you mentioned that rather than just spamming "tHe clIff wIlL cOmE" after the side just missed a GF by two kicks.

Thats true and i probably need to choose my words more diplomatically (which isnt my strong suit).
But you are still actually agreeing with me on the core issue which is that geelong are more likely to tumble next year than stay up and a team wont with our profile wont trade a 1st for a guy who isnt reid (because he is generational so if you traded a fr1 for him and it ended up being p2 that would be fine but that value proposition doesnt hold with most players including smith).
People that think we will stay up in 25 just because of the fact that we have previously are looking at the list we used to have, not how it is now.

 

[Doggy]

Thats true and i probably need to choose my words more diplomatically (which isnt my strong suit).
But you are still actually agreeing with me on the core issue which is that geelong are more likely to tumble next year than stay up and a team wont with our profile wont trade a 1st for a guy who isnt reid (because he is generational so if you traded a fr1 for him and it ended up being p2 that would be fine but that value proposition doesnt hold with most players including smith).
People that think we will stay up in 25 just because of the fact that we have previously are looking at the list we used to have, not how it is now.

You wouldn't get Reid for your future first haha.

He would cost multiple firsts, other picks and maybe a player.

The dogs will be betting that Geelong won't be bottom 8 next year and I'd be very surprised if they were when they get another soft draw

 

[Pure_Ownage]

You wouldn't get Reid for your future first haha.

He would cost multiple firsts, other picks and maybe a player.

The dogs will be betting that Geelong won't be bottom 8 next year and I'd be very surprised if they were when they get another soft draw

I know that reid would cost 3 firsts.
I wasnt saying trading him for 1 1st.
I was using him as an example of why we wont trade our future 1st this year.