Confirmed Bailey Smith: 4-way trade: B. Smith (WB) & pick 45 to Geel / pick 38 to Carl / Macrae (WB) to StK / pick 17 & Kennedy (Carl) to WB

[FootyLad0]

#15 before academy picks is definitely unders. Would end up closer to #20.

Adding pick #30ish in next years draft - again before academy picks - doesn’t seem enough to bridge the gap.

Potential Trade

B.Smith, #32 and F3 for #15 and F1.

Would value Smith at around pick 8-12.

I doubt Geelong will give up a future first along with this year’s first.

What I can see happening is Cats going after-someone’s pick to try and move up this year or trying to grab Brisbane’s first this year and trading them bulk picks for points for Levi Ashcroft as Lions and Cats do heaps of deals.
Basically every single trade period they are doing some kind of move,
Cats helped Lions with points previously for Will Ashcroft and Lions helped Cats get Ollie Henry.

There’s a lot to play out but I think a lot of posturing here about “send him to the Draft” has been silly.

Deal will get done after some back and forth.

 

[Seeds]

Indeed I do.

You might need to rethink your expectations on this one.

Very quickly.

When a player is out of contract and wants to leave your club then your club is going to lose on the trade. The negotitation is simply about determing how much of a loss it is.

Thats how this works.

 

[Seeds]

Bailey being out of contract means absolutely nothing in this scenario. Neither does the ACL.

Um ok. Totally nothing.

 

[Cringle]

Not a bad go, but I think Dogs would want to keep 32.

I’d be quietly confident Geelongs F1 ends up a bit better than this years 1st.

But we all do every year and it barely ever eventuates.

 

[Pencil case]

I doubt Geelong will give up a future first along with this year’s first.

What I can see happening is Cats going after-someone’s pick to try and move up this year or trying to grab Brisbane’s first this year and trading them bulk picks for points for Levi Ashcroft as Lions and Cats do heaps of deals.
Basically every single trade period they are doing some kind of move,
Cats helped Lions with points previously for Will Ashcroft and Lions helped Cats get Ollie Henry.

There’s a lot to play out but I think a lot of posturing here about “send him to the Draft” has been silly.

Deal will get done after some back and forth.

Dogs give: Smith, 4th

Dogs receive: 15 (tied to Geelong), 17 (tied to Brisbane)

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Cats give: 15, 2nd, 4th

Cats receive: Bailey Smith

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Brisbane give: 17

Brisbane receive: 2nd, 4th, 4th

 

[FootyLad0]

Dogs give: Smith, 4th

Dogs receive: 15 (tied to Geelong), 17 (tied to Brisbane)

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Cats give: 15, 2nd, 4th

Cats receive: Bailey Smith

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Brisbane give: 17

Brisbane receive: 2nd, 4th, 4th

I don’t have the calculator out but what would that put Lions at in terms of points? They have Marshall as a Lions academy guy as well so they need to match for him as well probably in the Early 2nd Round Range?

Need enough points for Levi at top 3 selection, enough for Marshall in the 20’s range.

Something like this would be a great move for all involved.

Dogs get their “2 first round picks”

Cats get Smith

Lions don’t waste their 1st round Pick on F/S bid and still can get Ashcroft (F/S) and Marshall (Lions Academy)

Win/Win/Win

 

[Danog]

getting luke jackson trade thread vibes on this one

what do you mean by that

 

[THE_GUN]

Dogs give: Smith, 4th

Dogs receive: 15 (tied to Geelong), 17 (tied to Brisbane)

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Cats give: 15, 2nd, 4th

Cats receive: Bailey Smith

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Brisbane give: 17

Brisbane receive: 2nd, 4th, 4th

Cats 2nd round pick -#35
Cats 4th round pick - #71
Dogs 4th round pick - # they dont have 1 but lets call it 67

=620 points
#17 = 1025 points

Sont think the lions would go for that
you would need to give them 1300 points plus to get a seat at the table

 

[Pencil case]

Cats 2nd round pick -#35
Cats 4th round pick - #71
Dogs 4th round pick - # they dont have 1 but lets call it 67

=620 points
#17 = 1025 points

Sont think the lions would go for that
you would need to give them 1300 points plus to get a seat at the table

Dogs add 32 maybe? Not sure.

 

[FootyLad0]

Dogs add 32 maybe? Not sure.

Dogs 3rd is there, don’t think they have a fourth rounders this year?

Should be Cats 2nd and 4th with Dogs 3rd

 

[THE_GUN]

Dogs add 32 maybe? Not sure.

Still wouldnt get it done

Richmond would be giving them a 300 point uplift to take that pick

I think the Cats #15 + #35 gets it done

 

[FootyLad0]

Still wouldnt get it done

Richmond would be giving them a 300 point uplift to take that pick

I think the Cats #15 + #35 gets it done

I do too but depends if Doggies think it’s enough or want to drag it out.

15 and 35 is 1634 points or equivalent to Pick 8 right?

Not bad for an OOC player who hasn’t played in over a year.

 

[_Cerberus_]

I do too but depends if Doggies think it’s enough or want to drag it out.

15 and 35 is 1634 points or equivalent to Pick 8 right?

Not bad for an OOC player who hasn’t played in over a year.

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Points is the most useless thing to use. Dogs would be getting the 20th and 40th best player in the draft once all the bids and compensation picks come in. Not the 8th best player in which people be like "Oh thats pick 8 in value". Its not the same thing. Smith is worth more than drafting some unknown kid at a pick that is equivalent to an early second rounder.

Say that IS the trade that happens. You and other Cats fans will be like "thats more than fair, Dogs should accept it". Then when it goes through, 100 bucks you will be be laughing in your own threads, at how much you screwed the Dogs over and got a steal. Happens all the time.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

They will need to draft someone with it.

Explain to me where smith is supposedly going?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Dogs give: Smith, 4th

Dogs receive: 15 (tied to Geelong), 17 (tied to Brisbane)

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Cats give: 15, 2nd, 4th

Cats receive: Bailey Smith

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Brisbane give: 17

Brisbane receive: 2nd, 4th, 4th

Brisbane will want way more than that for 17 (and will get more).

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

They will need to draft someone with it.

His no RFA and if smith entered the preseason draft plenty of clubs would take him before the Cats got a chance to call his name.

 

[THE_GUN]

His no RFA and if smith entered the preseason draft plenty of clubs would take him before the Cats got a chance to call his name.

But what if he entered the november draft with $1 mil on his head ?
No team would touch him before #15

I think the doggies will take #15 +#35

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

But what if he entered the november draft with $1 mil on his head ?
No team would touch him before #15

I think the doggies will take #15 +#35

I think Tigers, Saints and Hawks would all have the cap room for him.

Just look at FA as a guide players get paid more when the cost is next to nothing.

 

[THE_GUN]

I think Tigers, Saints and Hawks would all have the cap room for him.

Just look at FA as a guide players get paid more when the cost is next to nothing.

Hawks wont have a 1st rounder
Tigers wont take him in the 1st round and Saints either

He will get to Geelong at pick #15 in the draft

 

[Pure_Ownage]

His no RFA and if smith entered the preseason draft plenty of clubs would take him before the Cats got a chance to call his name.

He would go to the ND not psd obviously.

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

He would go to the ND not psd obviously.

I doubt it, but each to there own opinion

 

[THE_GUN]

I doubt it, but each to there own opinion

Why would he go PSD ? no chance he gets to Geelong in the PDF
in the November draft gets to Geelong easily

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

Why would he go PSD ? no chance he gets to Geelong in the PDF
in the November draft gets to Geelong easily

Not sure he would get to the cats in the ND.

Cats would be happy to keep their first round pick and try to collect Smith via the PSD. Would help there rebuild on the run. Either way it’s a risk

 

[FootyLad0]

His no RFA and if smith entered the preseason draft plenty of clubs would take him before the Cats got a chance to call his name.

He would go into National Draft if that was the case. Cats would absolutely use Pick 15 on him.

If he explicitly says he only wants to play with 1 team, no team or list manager is going to Draft him and waste a First Round pick, especially in a deep draft for a guy who doesn't even want to play for that team.

Luke Ball is a great example. Left a great team in Saints for an even better team in Pies.
No one touched him and he went where he wanted to go because he said "I will only play for the Pies"

But it's ridiculous anyway. Trade will get done.

 

[MisterMarcus]

I think Tigers, Saints and Hawks would all have the cap room for him.

Just look at FA as a guide players get paid more when the cost is next to nothing.

If Hawks have spent some time genuinely wooing him, then maybe there's some willingness from Smith to go there as a Break Glass backup

But Tigers and Saints aren't going to stupid enough to waste space and money on a bloke who doesn't want to be there.