Prediction Best 22 for Round One, 2017

[theflea]

fb: Grimes Astbury Conca
hb: Houli Rance McIntosh
c: Grigg Caddy B Ellis
hf: Martin Griffiths Lennon
ff: Lloyd Reiwoldt Rioli
r: Nankervis Cotchin Prestia
i: Vlastuin Edwards Butler C Ellis/ Miles??

 

[Hoos]

fb: Grimes Astbury Conca
hb: Houli Rance McIntosh
c: Grigg Caddy B Ellis
hf: Martin Griffiths Lennon
ff: Lloyd Reiwoldt Rioli
r: Nankervis Cotchin Prestia
i: Vlastuin Edwards Butler C Ellis/ Miles??

I think Miles plays. He wins too much of the ball for him not to. Not sure if Lennon will.

 

[matt_y106]

Well this is how I hope we line up on Thursday night.

I kept it simple. A nice mixture of air support and rebound in the D50. Having Grimes & McIntosh capable of playing tall/small gives us plenty of flexibility which is crucial for team defense these days. Unsure if we will continue to play an extra defender with all the coaching changes but if we do I'd say that will be Brandon's role. Happy for him to be an extra to use his run but hate watching him trying to defend one on one. He is a capable chop out mark at times so if he is down there he will need to bring that.

I have started our big 3 in the middle. Dusty, Cotch, Pretia... Get them in the guts from the start. Need to have our best players touching the ball early and providing the ascendancy in the middle from the start. Nank is the obvious choice for the ruck, has been impressive through the JLT series but the real stuff starts now. Be great to see him go up against another 'follow up' ruckman in Kruezer. I have opted for endurance in Grigg/Ellis on the wings. The knack of simply finding the pill is under-rated IMO and thats what those two do. It's easy to be seduced by the speed of Menedue/Drummond and other speedy types but until they can show they can find space to use their pace then they will find it hard to break into the side.

The three talls up forward theory can go get f'd... We dont have two good talls let alone three so lets play to the strengths of the list we have and create goals from F50 pressure. Although Titch, Lloyd and Caddy (plus other resting Mids Dusty/Cotch) are short they are all capable in the air and when isolated 1v1. As good as Titch can be in the clearances at times I prefer him getting it forward of centre where he has greater impact with his releasing handballs leading to overlap goals and easy scoring opportunities.

I have opted for midfield depth on the bench with Miles and Vlastuin to give our starters a chop out and chance to rest forward. Daniel Butler has been the highlight of the JLT for mine and in conjunction with Rioli I hope they both terrorize Docherty and Simpson off half back. If they can do that then I cant see Carltank moving the ball efficiently from D50. C.Ellis gets the last spot for some flexibility at HBF & Wing. He is all class, the more games we can get into him the better.

FB Dylan Grimes David Astbury Bachar Houli

HB Reece Conca Alex Rance Kamdyn McIntosh

C Brandon Ellis Dustin Martin Shaun Grigg

HF Shane Edwards Jack Riewoldt Daniel Rioli

FF Josh Caddy Ben Griffiths Sam Lloyd

R Toby Nankervis Trent Cotchin Dion Prestia

I Anthony Miles Nick Vlastuin Daniel Butler Corey Ellis

Up the Tigs

This I believe will be the exact line up we will go with. Only change I think could potentially be C.Ellis for Markov

 

[pockets75]

Well this is how I hope we line up on Thursday night.

I kept it simple. A nice mixture of air support and rebound in the D50. Having Grimes & McIntosh capable of playing tall/small gives us plenty of flexibility which is crucial for team defense these days. Unsure if we will continue to play an extra defender with all the coaching changes but if we do I'd say that will be Brandon's role. Happy for him to be an extra to use his run but hate watching him trying to defend one on one. He is a capable chop out mark at times so if he is down there he will need to bring that.

I have started our big 3 in the middle. Dusty, Cotch, Pretia... Get them in the guts from the start. Need to have our best players touching the ball early and providing the ascendancy in the middle from the start. Nank is the obvious choice for the ruck, has been impressive through the JLT series but the real stuff starts now. Be great to see him go up against another 'follow up' ruckman in Kruezer. I have opted for endurance in Grigg/Ellis on the wings. The knack of simply finding the pill is under-rated IMO and thats what those two do. It's easy to be seduced by the speed of Menedue/Drummond and other speedy types but until they can show they can find space to use their pace then they will find it hard to break into the side.

The three talls up forward theory can go get f'd... We dont have two good talls let alone three so lets play to the strengths of the list we have and create goals from F50 pressure. Although Titch, Lloyd and Caddy (plus other resting Mids Dusty/Cotch) are short they are all capable in the air and when isolated 1v1. As good as Titch can be in the clearances at times I prefer him getting it forward of centre where he has greater impact with his releasing handballs leading to overlap goals and easy scoring opportunities.

I have opted for midfield depth on the bench with Miles and Vlastuin to give our starters a chop out and chance to rest forward. Daniel Butler has been the highlight of the JLT for mine and in conjunction with Rioli I hope they both terrorize Docherty and Simpson off half back. If they can do that then I cant see Carltank moving the ball efficiently from D50. C.Ellis gets the last spot for some flexibility at HBF & Wing. He is all class, the more games we can get into him the better.

FB Dylan Grimes David Astbury Bachar Houli

HB Reece Conca Alex Rance Kamdyn McIntosh

C Brandon Ellis Dustin Martin Shaun Grigg

HF Shane Edwards Jack Riewoldt Daniel Rioli

FF Josh Caddy Ben Griffiths Sam Lloyd

R Toby Nankervis Trent Cotchin Dion Prestia

I Anthony Miles Nick Vlastuin Daniel Butler Corey Ellis

Up the Tigs

You left out Taylor Hunt.

 

[TigerImposter]

http://footyprophet.com/2017-crystal-ball-richmond/

 

[zipper12]

Although he probably won't get a gig round one, I don't think it's fair to completely rule out Chol.


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Chol is definitely in the running for selection both because he showed something and because Griff has had such little game time and has a history of getting injured when underdone.

 

[ize_]

Most sides starting to look pretty similar. Seems to be just K-Mac v Markov and Lennon v Butler.

 

[Hoos]

I think McIntosh will play. I hope Butler does. And Castagna.

 

[THE_GUN]

Conca - Astbury - Grimes
Houli - Rance - McIntosh
Grigg - Cotchin - B.Ellis
Martin - Griffiths - Lloyd
Rioli - Riewoldt - Castagna
Nankervis - Caddy - Prestia
Edwards - Miles - Vlastuin - Butler

Emerg:Markov - Menadue - C.Ellis - Short

 

[SweetD]

Torney - Gaspar - Cameron
A.Kellaway - Holland - Bowden
Houlihan - Knights - Tivendale
Fiora - Richardson - Hilton
Rogers - Ottens - Krakeour
Stafford - Campbell - King
Hall - Rodan - Zantuck - Sziller

 

[docko911]

Torney - Gaspar - Cameron
A.Kellaway - Holland - Bowden
Houlihan - Knights - Tivendale
Fiora - Richardson - Hilton
Rogers - Ottens - Krakeour
Stafford - Campbell - King
Hall - Rodan - Zantuck - Sziller

I was waiting for it

 

[docko911]

I'd love to see Hardwick put some testicles on the line...

B: Grimes, Astbury, Houli
HB: Markov, Rance, Conca
C: McIntosh, Cotchin, C.Ellis
HF: Lennon, Chol, Butler
F: Rioli, Riewoldt, Lloyd
R: Nankervis, Prestia, Martin
Int: Caddy, Grigg, Miles, S.Edwards

 

[exceptional design]

FB Grimes Rance Conca
HB Houli Astbury Mcintosh
C Grigg Cotchin BEllis
HF Edwards Martin Vlastuin
FF Lloyd Riewoldt Lambert
R Nankervis Caddy Prestia
INT Miles Griffiths Hunt Short

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

B: Grimes Astbury Short
HB: Houli Rance Mcintosh
C: B Ellis Cotch Grigg
HF: Edwards Griffiths Martin
F: Lloyd Riewoldt Rioli
Fol: Nankervis Caddy Prestia
Int: Butler Conca Vlastuin Miles

Em: Lennon Markov C Ellis

Feel like I'm missing someone but that will do.
Also given he didn't play in any of the JLT games I'm not sure Short will play R1 but I much prefer him in the team over Hunt.

 

[THE_GUN]

FB Grimes Rance Conca
HB Houli Astbury Mcintosh
C Grigg Cotchin BEllis
HF Edwards Martin Vlastuin
FF Lloyd Riewoldt Lambert
R Nankervis Caddy Prestia
INT Miles Griffiths Hunt Short

Shoot me know please, Butler & Castagna 'MUST' be rewarded for their efforts otherwise why bother

 

[Gosha]

Shoot me know please, Butler & Castagna 'MUST' be rewarded for their efforts otherwise why bother

Reward for "effort"? Can we reward good performances instead?

 

[Hoos]

Reward for "effort"? Can we reward good performances instead?

That's a novel idea.

 

[exceptional design]

Shoot me know please, Butler & Castagna 'MUST' be rewarded for their efforts otherwise why bother

With the inclusion of Caddy & Prestia, 70% of other players have been pushed down the pecking order.

Butler had a good JLT1, quiet JLT2, quiet JLT3

Castagna had a quiet but good JLT1, quiet JLT2, quiet JLT3. He would be close to round 1.

I think Short, Butler, Castagna, CEllis, Menadue, should get game time this year when Conca, Hunt, BEllis, Lambert have a poor run.
And I hope we are quicker to reward sustained good performance in the 2's than in past years.

But overall I think those Conca, Hunt, BEllis players had a better JLT series to get / keep there spots for round 1.
Lambert had 33% game time in one game and still got 7 possessions. Guess we will see if he is on the outer or not.
And if he is, I expect he will force his way back in as per Butler, Castagna, etc.

Overall we have more players now than in the past, that are close, if not in the 1's. A good problem to have. Except for key talls.

My opinion is my opinion. I don't take pot shots at other posters for having a different opinion to mine.

 

[THE_GUN]

Reward for "effort"? Can we reward good performances instead?

So you didnt like what you seen from Castagna or Butler ?

 

[tenderwarrior]

I know B.Ellis frustrates the Tiger faithful, but is there any indication that he is in the same fringe category as Lambert, Conca, and Hunt etc., or is it purely supporter wishful thinking?

 

[Gosha]

So you didnt like what you seen from Castagna or Butler ?

Castagna has been decent, Butler needs to show more. In that 23 - 26 bracket.

 

[HumanMeatball]

FB Grimes Rance Conca
HB Houli Astbury Mcintosh
C Grigg Cotchin BEllis
HF Edwards Martin Vlastuin
FF Lloyd Riewoldt Rioli
R Nankervis Caddy Prestia
INT Miles Griffiths Hunt Short

EFA

 

[HumanMeatball]

I know B.Ellis frustrates the Tiger faithful, but is there any indication that he is in the same fringe category as Lambert, Conca, and Hunt etc., or is it purely supporter wishful thinking?

No he will still play

 

[exceptional design]

Here is an interesting chart.

It shows the averages per JLT game if each player played the same minutes.

 

[partycorolla]

Here is an interesting chart.

It shows the averages per JLT game if each player played the same minutes.

View attachment 346978

Interesting but ultimately a bit useless. Unless we think Soldo will actually get 25 possies and kick 3 goals 5 a match In which case, get him in there! Ultimately some players are probably more capable of playing more or less minutes than others. Does reinforce the popular sentiment that Griff and Lennon were disappointing though. It doesn't show effort, pressure acts etc which would help Lennon a bit but not much. Also doesn't ably demonstrate just how crap Hunt was.