Competitions Best ever Crows players - FINAL - A. McLeod vs M. Ricciuto - Mea Culpa for ruining our season with the delay :(

[Samcro24]

McGuinness would never have survived as a dogs player at marvel. Every one of his kicks would have hit the roof.

Gives it his best….

Mod…

Nup the balls hit the roof, they’re gonna have to ball it up.

 

[El Doederino]

You better get your dictatorial bot aliases on to it then...

Bot aliases?

You talking shit again, Kano?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I dont think you can penalise McGuiness for longevity. He played 5 sensational years of AFL footy for footscray before the Crows existed where he played another great 6 years. So that should be taken into account. McGuiness was a genuine star of the AFL competition not just at the Crows. Edwards was highly rated in the competition but never regarded the star McGuiness was. This is the unfair part. If we post on longevity you automatically rule out some of the greatest players to ever pull on a crows Guernsey just because they didnt play 250 plus games.

The Footscray games are irrelevant to judging who was the best for the Crows...

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Bot aliases?

You talking s**t again, Kano?

You really lack humour...

 

[adelaidecrows]

So why isn’t carey in the conversation he played arlight at north.

My point is we are penalising players who aged out of the Crows in their original years based on limited body of work yet they have a proven body of work that existed at AFL level prior to the crows being established. Carey is different. If we are talking greatest player for the Crows. Carey played 28 good games but they weren't better games than everyone else.

 

[El Doederino]

Yep and it’s subjective but as far as I’m aware it’s basically contribution to the afc,
“best ever crows player” is in the title.
You can throw results around all day as you can with Edwards
300 game player and dual premiership player vs someone that achieved neither.

Cool. Looking forward to the Edwards v Mackay quarter final match up.

Who will win? How am I supposed sleep now with the anticipation?

 

[El Doederino]

You really lack humour...

Maybe when cracking jokes, you can add “(joke)” so we can tell

 

[FR0GGY]

Cool. Looking forward to the Edwards v Mackay quarter final match up.

Who will win? How am I supposed sleep now with the anticipation?

 

[adelaidecrows]

The Footscray games are irrelevant to judging who was the best for the Crows...

No they aren't because you are penalising a player on something they had no control of. If you are rewarding for body of work you should take the exceptional circumstance of the crows not existing for part of McGuiness career.

 

[adelaidecrows]

McGuinness would never have survived as a dogs player at marvel. Every one of his kicks would have hit the roof.

Modra's mark of the year was on one of his skied kicks. lol

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

No they aren't because you are penalising a player on something they had no control of. If you are rewarding for body of work you should take the exceptional circumstance of the crows not existing for part of McGuiness career.

That's ridiculous!

By your theory, Wayne Carey would be the best ever Crow even though his best football was for the Roos.

I'm judging the players for their body of work for the Crows only.

Feel free to do otherwise.

 

[El Doederino]

It’s pretty easy to just look at their contribution to the crows. Means McGuinness and Jarman and Dangerfield are in. Carey and Crocker are out.

If people want to reward quantity over quality, then that’s bad news for Jarman and Modra who both played similar number of games to McGuiness.

 

[adelaidecrows]

but but but its body of work. Van Berlo will be up there, Richard Douglas.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Maybe when cracking jokes, you can add “(joke)” so we can tell

You thought I was serious about bot aliases?

Seriously?

Anyone else in this thread think I was being serious about bot aliases?

 

[FR0GGY]

but but but its body of work. Van Berlo will be up there, Richard Douglas.

When you are comparing similar players. It’s not a hard concept to grasp.
If you want to call VB and dougie similar quality players to Edwards then go ahead.

 

[adelaidecrows]

That's ridiculous!

By your theory, Wayne Carey would be the best ever Crow even though his best football was for the Roos.

I'm judging the players for their body of work for the Crows only.

Feel free to do otherwise.

Carey never played games better than other crows players during his time at the crows.

 

[adelaidecrows]

When you are comparing similar players. It’s not a hard concept to grasp.
If you want to call VB and dougie similar quality players to Edwards then go ahead.

Your argument is body of work. As I said previously, the other players I didnt name, 118 and 120 odd games I cant wait to see you justify your body of work stance. And I dont believe you will.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Carey never played games better than other crows players during his time at the crows.

You are all over the shop.

This is about the best ever Crow.

So I choose to only judge on players when they represented my side not another side.

Feel free to apply your different rules... but only for selective players.

 

[FR0GGY]

Your argument is body of work. As I said previously, the other players I didnt name, 118 and 120 odd games I cant wait to see you justify your body of work stance. And I dont believe you will.

Not solely on games played, for example you’d take mcguiness over Mackay despite the number of games played.
IMO there’s not a discernible difference between mcguiness and Edwards to over come an extra 200 games.
You said yourself Edwards is in your top 10, so where do you rate McGuinness? 9? 8?

 

[adelaidecrows]

Not solely on games played, for example you’d take mcguiness over Mackay despite the number of games played.
IMO there’s not a discernible difference between mcguiness and Edwards to over come an extra 200 games.
You said yourself Edwards is in your top 10, so where do you rate McGuinness? 9? 8?

As I said, we may as well just go straight to the final if all we are going to do is work through our top 10s. my mistake. thought it was going to be on talent.

 

[FR0GGY]

As I said, we may as well just go straight to the final if all we are going to do is work through our top 10s. my mistake. thought it was going to be on talent.

This is what I said at the start of it.
Cut to the chase A McLeod Vs M Rucciuto

 

[adelaidecrows]

This is what I said at the start of it.
Cut to the chase A McLeod Vs M Rucciuto

In my previous conversations I was told it was based on pure ability nothing to do with overall body of work. On raw ability it would be a great argument to have DJ V McLeod or Riccuito etc. Much more entertaining than the old argument we always have on whose better Riccutio or McLeod.

 

[FR0GGY]

In my previous conversations I was told it was based on pure ability nothing to do with overall body of work. On raw ability it would be a great argument to have DJ V McLeod or Riccuito etc. Much more entertaining than the old argument we always have on whose better Riccutio or McLeod.

Trent Henchel missing then.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Trent Henchel missing then.

But surely you see my point though, I do accept you have a good point with Edwards V Mcguiness, however, This seems the long way around to the old argument of Riccuito v McLeod. If this is just going to be the outcome, I agree lets just go straight there.

 

[FR0GGY]

But surely you see my point though, I do accept you have a good point with Edwards V Mcguiness, however, This seems the long way around to the old argument of Riccuito v McLeod. If this is just going to be the outcome, I agree lets just go straight there.

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So how about we cut to the chase.
McLeod Vs Riccutio