Injury Blue Healers Discussion - 2024

[Aphrodite]

Latest Injury Update 23rd July …

Injury news: Five tests among 11 updates

Updates on 11 Blues leading into Round 20.

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UPDATES on 11 Blues leading into Round 20:-

Tom De Koning

12

Tom De Koning

Age

25

Ht

201cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

0.5

2star

HO

1.5

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

0.5

3star

HO

1.5

5star

(lung/foot)

• Experienced a collapsed lung and a foot fracture during the win over North Melbourne
• Was treated on Sunday night in hospital for the collapsed lung and is recovering well
• Will undergo surgery this week on his fractured foot and as a result will be sidelined for the remainder of the home and away season

Blake Acres (foot)

• Scans cleared him of damage to his foot after being subbed out of the game against North Melbourne
• Will aim to train fully this week to be available
• Availability: Test

Sam Durdin (calf)

• Underwent scans which confirmed a medium-grade calf strain, following the game against North Melbourne
• Availability: 4-6 weeks

Hudson O’Keeffe (hamstring)

• Underwent scans which confirmed a hamstring strain, following the VFL game on Sunday
• His timeline of recovery will be determined over the next fortnight

Jordan Boyd (shin soreness)

- Availability: Test

Caleb Marchbank (illness)

- Availability: Test

Orazio Fantasia (calf)

- Availability: Test

Mitch McGovern (hip flexor)

- Availability: Test

Zac Williams (hamstring)

• Recovering from a low-grade hamstring strain
• Availability: 3-4 weeks

Corey Durdin (shoulder)

• Currently a week-to-week assessment, with the Club to be guided by his progression over the coming weeks
• Availability: TBA

Jack Silvagni (knee)

- Has commenced his running program, which he will look to progress over the coming months

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Docs not playing finals. Running in straight lines and doing basic skills drills is miles and miles off complete rehab for an ACL. The pressure put on the knee from high speed agility seen in game is 100x anything he's doing right now

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

McStay is coming back after 6.5 months which is miles ahead of schedule. Even that would put Doc just in for the GF.

It will be interesting to see how it works out for McStay. Seems risky to me but they don't take 12months in the States so who knows.

Mcstay did his ACL in late November. That's not 6.5 months, a long way from it.

 

[Lukeblueboy]

Mcstay did his ACL in November. That's not 6.5 months, a long way from it.

There saying it was around an 8 month turnaround

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

There saying it was around an 8 month turnaround

Right. Now say you're Michael Voss... Are you selecting a player coming off his 3rd ACL after an 8 month turnaround when his first game back would be tracking to be in a Grand Final? Doch might say he's right to go, but unless he's somehow going to manage a 6 month recovery for the biggest injury in footy, play multiple games in the VFL to get match fitness, then prove himself capable for AFL level over a couple of games and then put his hand up to play the Grand Final...There is a 0% chance of this occurring.

No player, even Crippa or Charlie, is going to be selected to play in a Grand Final off 0 preparation.

Max Holmes didn't even get selected in a team he starred in all season long in 2022 because he had a a very minor hamstring injury. The risk is too great to lose a key rotation early in the biggest game of the year.

 

[Lukeblueboy]

Right. Now say you're Michael Voss... Are you selecting a player coming off his 3rd ACL after an 8 month turnaround when his first game back would be tracking to be in a Grand Final? Doch might say he's right to go, but unless he's somehow going to manage a 6 month recovery for the biggest injury in footy, play multiple games in the VFL to get match fitness, then prove himself capable for AFL level over a couple of games and then put his hand up to play the Grand Final...There is a 0% chance of this occurring.

No player, even Crippa or Charlie, is going to be selected to play in a Grand Final off 0 preparation.

Max Holmes didn't even get selected in a team he starred in all season long in 2022 because he had a a very minor hamstring injury. The risk is too great to lose a key rotation early in the biggest game of the year.

Yeah fully understand your point wash.
It’s highly unlikely, but interesting none the less

 

[Bongo Drum]

Mmm. And yet, it's Doc.

A 6 month turnaround after ACL reco is pretty near impossible.

He would struggle to be ready for full contact training by September, let alone a full H&A game, let alone a final.

Nobody deserves a chance to play finals and be a chance for a premiership medal more than Doc but it won't be this year unfortunately.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

Perhaps, but he's performed well enough for long enough to deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Not really the benefit of the doubt. That's benefit of the fiction.

 

[myblueroan]

Look, it was just a whimsical post!
Let it go peeps!

 

[RPCB]

You monsters! Horsey’s getting upset.

 

[katmanblue]

Lots of players have various body parts strapped, that doesn't necessarily mean they injured those pre-match.

It was after the warm up. They'd be strapped pregame if the issue was pre-existing.

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[katmanblue]

**** the jinx.

That would be weird.

Jinx is my mate's cat.

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[katmanblue]

Gov’s issue is Drama

Lack of sleep watching Euro 2024 maybe...

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[katmanblue]

An ACL suffered in March and a return from it in September seems incredibly unlikely.

Are there degrees of "did an ACL"?

Could it have been a very minor tear or something?

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[katmanblue]

Every sport I've played, or triathlon I've competed in I've strapped my ankles and 99.9% of AFL players most likely do too. He probably rolled it in warm-up and the existing tape did its job and as commonplace they'd have re-wrapped it for him as his initial taping would be compromised and need to be re-done.

That was my point.

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[RPCB]

Are there degrees of "did an ACL"?

Could it have been a very minor tear or something?

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I have no idea.

 

[Mr Blonde]

A 6 month turnaround after ACL reco is pretty near impossible.

He would struggle to be ready for full contact training by September, let alone a full H&A game, let alone a final.

Nobody deserves a chance to play finals and be a chance for a premiership medal more than Doc but it won't be this year unfortunately.

Tyson Goldsack did it in 5 months in 2018.

‘It is remarkable to say he only tore his ACL five months ago’: Tyson Goldsack completes remarkable return in the west

The remarkable return of a Magpie who looked finished

www.foxsports.com.au

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[AceAndy]

Look, it was just a whimsical post!
Let it go peeps!

What exactly did you say ?

I am too lazy to go back in the thread and work it out

 

[Bongo Drum]

Tyson Goldsack did it in 5 months in 2018.

‘It is remarkable to say he only tore his ACL five months ago’: Tyson Goldsack completes remarkable return in the west

The remarkable return of a Magpie who looked finished

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That's a very rare exception to the rule. Some players are capable of healing a bit faster than others but again they're extremely rare.

I remember Tom Liberatore returning after about 5 months post ACL in the 90s.

Be that as it may, 99% (probably closer to 99.9%) of players don't return within 6 months of an ACL reco.

 

[myblueroan]

What exactly did you say ?

I am too lazy to go back in the thread and work it out

I said I found it interesting that they reported on Doc's progress in the injury report...and that maybe the person who said Doc is trying to make it back for finals was on to something.

 

[AceAndy]

I said I found it interestingcthat they reported on Doc's progress in the injury report...and that maybe the person who said Doc is trying to make it back for finals was on to something.

Gosh that is a controversial thing to say

 

[gbatman]

The question is, where will Docherty's rehab be after 7 weeks of skills training?

 

[I bleed Blue]

That's a very rare exception to the rule. Some players are capable of healing a bit faster than others but again they're extremely rare.

I remember Tom Liberatore returning after about 5 months post ACL in the 90s.

Be that as it may, 99% (probably closer to 99.9%) of players don't return within 6 months of an ACL reco.

 

[Accidental genius]

Every sport I've played, or triathlon I've competed in I've strapped my ankles and 99.9% of AFL players most likely do too. He probably rolled it in warm-up and the existing tape did its job and as commonplace they'd have re-wrapped it for him as his initial taping would be compromised and need to be re-done.

Have you ever had an eversion ankle sprain - when your ankle bends inwards?

I’ve never taped my ankles and went through a ton of normal ankle sprains and only recently suffered my first ankle eversion. I think i need to start taping.

 

[katmanblue]

That's a very rare exception to the rule. Some players are capable of healing a bit faster than others but again they're extremely rare.

I remember Tom Liberatore returning after about 5 months post ACL in the 90s.

Be that as it may, 99% (probably closer to 99.9%) of players don't return within 6 months of an ACL reco.

Libba's was Lars surgery.

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[Bongo Drum]

Libba's was Lars surgery.

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didn't realise it was Lars, thanks for that... explains how he returned so quickly.