Bluemour Discussion Thread XIV - Facts Not Welcome

[blue healer]

Ok. Let’s be clear. I don’t know all the ins and outs of who recruiters are talking to. I hear things, and I share. I’m like a Big Footy Tyrion who drinks and knows things

Some things for people to bear in mind - Wingard and Scrimshaw - I’m not sure we’d want them at our club. Not optimal blokes

Scully - interesting but mega risky from an injury standpoint. Good player

Tyson - not the type of midfielder you’d add to a Cripps / Kennedy midfield

But here is the single biggest thing and people need to be realistic about this - we do not have much to trade. We won’t deal pick one. We’ve dealt our seconds. We have 42 now - big deal. We’d rather not trade our first next year. We will need our second next year (at least) for Setterfield. Our tradeable players have no trade currency. Stop believing all the bullshit about that. Nobody wants Casboult. Nobody wants Jones. Nobody is giving us anything decent for them. If anything at all. So how are we getting all these other players? I’ll tell you how - we’re not

There's always Libba still at no cost.

I don't give in easily.

 

[KohPhi]

Decent mature aged mids would be fantastic, but what decent, mature aged mid would want to come to Carlton at this point of our re-build?
We are 4 years away from contending, i mean SERIOUSLY contending. Anyone 28 or over would only be coming if;
1) They were on the outer at their club and wanted a lifeline..
2) Were past their best and looking for a decent pension payout (Hannebery)
3) Were given, or about to be given the arse.

Like it or not, this is what happens when you have statistically, one of the worst seasons on record.

So let's load up on 24 and younger types who conceivably will be at the peak of their powers when we are contending and top up with some DFA's that cost jack shit from a trade perspective who can add some experience whilst the likes of;
Dow, Setterfield, Walsh, Samo, OBrien, Fish, Cunners and Kennedy find their feet and become a seriously good unit.

 

[juddanaught09]

Obviously it would've been great to get Shiel this year, but with Walsh and Setterfield we are getting two potentially elite midfielders to go with Cripps, Dow, SPS, O'Brien, Kennedy, Fisher, etc. Also have high hopes for Cunningham and even Willo moving into the midfield.

I think we just need to accept that until we string a few wins together, we aren't going to be a club that has 24-27 yo guns lining up to get in.

Pick Walsh, win some games next year, save the 2019 and 2020 1st rounders for Josh Kelly next trade period.

2020 and beyond should be fun.

 

[BringBackSimmo]

We will get mids. No issue. McGovern really adds a lot to our list

I don't doubt that, especially scoring power.

 

[inyourcool]

We only have 1st round picks (this year and next) as valuable commodities and potentially desperate buyers willing to pay overs

Maybe this is where we cash in and the return could be fantastic. Interesting times

 

[Bongo Drum]

Be good to get BSOS as a rookie.

If we end up nominating BSOS as F/S pre-draft, are we obligated to take him in the national draft or
can we wait till the rookie draft to take him (if no rival bids). Anyone know?

 

[Zlatan]

You can just see SOS sitting back watching the other deals to see if he can jump in and get a win. He did say he'd like a few more picks in the draft?

With Hawks wanting Scully & Wingard I can see us jumping in and helping and getting a win

I don't think we'll get involved in the Hawks trade, but interesting if we could help out in the Freo/Brisbane/Melb trade that seems to be at a standstill.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Ok. Let’s be clear. I don’t know all the ins and outs of who recruiters are talking to. I hear things, and I share. I’m like a Big Footy Tyrion who drinks and knows things

Some things for people to bear in mind - Wingard and Scrimshaw - I’m not sure we’d want them at our club. Not optimal blokes

Scully - interesting but mega risky from an injury standpoint. Good player

Tyson - not the type of midfielder you’d add to a Cripps / Kennedy midfield

But here is the single biggest thing and people need to be realistic about this - we do not have much to trade. We won’t deal pick one. We’ve dealt our seconds. We have 42 now - big deal. We’d rather not trade our first next year. We will need our second next year (at least) for Setterfield. Our tradeable players have no trade currency. Stop believing all the bullshit about that. Nobody wants Casboult. Nobody wants Jones. Nobody is giving us anything decent for them. If anything at all. So how are we getting all these other players? I’ll tell you how - we’re not

I think The chief is going to thread ban EP...this board has lost 43 million future unneeded posts based on EPs longest post in his BF career!!!!

Big Footy on the stock market says “sell” in neon lights.

 

[blue healer]

And our midfield is already treacle (Dow excepted).

Nothing treacle about Fisher and Polson if they can step up.

 

[footyfan1978]

So EP basically confirming what most of us thought after the McGovern trade; SOS traded away all our currency for one player.
Great

FMD, we traded away pick 26 and 28 virtually for McGovern.
Shane McAdam for a future 3rd rounder the other part. It is some currency but not all of it by any means.

SOS clearly rates McGovern highly. Pity he isn't a midfielder.

I think Bolton rated McGovern even more. I await to see why but I personally more keen on a mid first. We shall see how Bolton makes use of this given it sounded like his request. If he develops anything like his brother as a swingman in future I won't be too upset. My challenge now as a fan is accepting all these talls on our list at same time. Unless we trade one or both of Casboult or Jones for anything I will take time for me to warm to this trade benefit for overall list balance.

Setterfield I am genuinely excited about and Walsh because midfield is where we need the most talent to come.

 

[Jimmae]

Finlayson is just a tall flanker like Willo not a KPP. Can play wing/fwd as well

196 and 94 at last check, so very much a KPD type with some tricks.

 

[Macca43]

So EP basically confirming what most of us thought after the McGovern trade; SOS traded away all our currency for one player.
Great

All Our Currency? It was two second round picks and a useless future 5th rounder for McGovern and a useful future third rounder. Hardly selling the farm for magic beans.

Our biggest issue is that pick 1 is simply to valuable to trade for anything less than a monster offer.

 

[jimsta10]

Hi. Thought I’d just pop back in to calm the farm. Reliably informed that Setterfield will get done and won’t involve our future first

I love you...






there I said it.

 

[jj1978]

Something really smells... GWS off-loading a sh** load of good players and depth... Scully, Shiel, Finlayson, Setterfield.. if I was the AFL that would definitely start perking up my ears to have a look at their books (wouldn't be surprised if they were over the cap this year)... but we know that AFL wouldn't kick GWS out of the trading, first 2 rounds for 2 years... probably feel sorry for them and give them another 5million in their cap.

 

[Number17]

Bloody Hell. I questioned Scrimshaw and got shot down

Shouldn’t have.

Out of the 4 blokes drafted early by Suns in 2017 he was the one who I thought was a concern right from his first interview with the club. Didn’t seem happy at all that he was picked up by them.

That attitude has continued ever since and his work ethic has been questioned by the club. That’s why he has played only 4 games in 2 years averaging 2.5 possessions and didn’t play a single senior game in 2018. A year when even rookies and undersized first year players got games ahead of him and they were arguably worse than us if not for the first few rounds.

He may have been a top junior but unless his attitude changes completely, I would be steering well clear unless you get him for next to nothing.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

Nope. Dow O'Brien SPS Setterfield Pickett Murphy Walsh Fisher Cuningham Charlie all have good leg speed. How quick is WCE or Pies? Pace is also about ball use and IMO we have a great group in that area

To say any of those players bar Dow is quick is a real stretch. Pickett maybe but he can hardly be considered a mid at this point. We do not have speed.

 

[dlb99]

Does McGovern release Curnow to play more midfield time? That in addition to Walsh likely playing Round 1, plus Setterfield and Docherty is capable of getting up the ground as well means a lot more support than Cripps has had for a lot of this year.

Matthew Kennedy was recruited to be the inside grunt help for Cripps.

He fudged his ankle in quarter 1 of game 1 this and was buggered up all year. Our health and fitness staff, I believe, mismanaged him.

We have a new high performance boss which should help get the best from Kennedy which will help Cripps.

Curnow should be up forward, he is our DeGoey, he will be very damaging now that McGovern is here.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

So EP basically confirming what most of us thought after the McGovern trade; SOS traded away all our currency for one player.
Great

What should he have done with it do you think?

 

[cookie monster]

What would you have done differently?

I'm asking this as a genuine question and not a stab. Break it down with the player and pick(s).

Given we were prepared to forgo the two second rounders, why did Shane McAdam need to be thrown in? We sure could have used his type.

Two second rounders should have got it done by themselves.

 

[chipzac]

Thanks for all your insights Mr Pascoe, they really are muchos appreciated. Say g'day to Lenny.

"Sir", to you (and the rest of us commoners)

 

[BringBackSimmo]

Nothing treacle about Fisher and Polson if they can step up.

Pickett can play mid at times, definitely isn't treacle.

 

[TerryWallet]

I'm rapt with our trade period.

2 quality players in for 3 second rounders. Pick 1 and next years 1st kept and still huge assets.

And no deckchairs.

We've turned the corner. Our list is stacked with young quality in quantity. Our offield is shaping up. Now it is up to the club to start improving and performing.

Quality result since the disastrous state of 2015.

The hard yards have mostly been done. The impatient and/or whingers have had their spleen venting time. Now it is the time of the patient. No ultimate success guaranteed, but we are back to relevancy. A monumental effort.

 

[Stamos]

Purely depends what happens with other trades

Yeah, but other trades are unlikely.
We can assume Setterfield in and Byrne out. Retain Rowe and Lamb, cut Graham and Kerridge, use #1, #43, #69.

If we would like to use #77 rather than a rookie pick, then delist Rowe or Lamb, and rookie them.

The only feasible way I can see us getting another pick would be our future 2nd and one of the future 3rds for Setterfield and one of Giants' 2018 3rds.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Looking likely we only add setterfield to our midfield, which means failing to get mature support for Cripps.

Meanwhile north got Tyson and hawks may get scully...

Not necessarily - maybe we were happy to trade away our mature age picks because we know there will be a few options available late in the draft or as rookies anyway.

And to be completely honest - if Kennedy is cherry ripe come round one, he should be taking about 30% of Crippa's stoppage appearances from him.

Dow will take on a little more. SPS should do the same. Fisher too. Charlie may get to a few more stoppages. If Cuningham can crack the side he should get some time there too.

And you know what else - if we're not playing guys like Kerridge, Graham, O'Shea etc. and getting cleaner possession around the ground, there should be less stoppages in general.

Cripps is always gonna push himself harder than most, that's why he's captain. I actually think it's more important to get the right burst/outside players around him so he can focus a little more on his ridiculous handballs to advantage, rather than trying to bull his way through six blokes.

Used to have it favourited, but I've changed computers recently - does anyone have the .gif of Cripps handball over his head to a full-tilt Murphy? Stupidly clean, and I used to watch it on repeat. That's what I'd rather Cripps was doing at stoppages, because the only way it can be defended is if every one of our players is being manned, which means no dogpile on Cripps by default.

 

[BluesRule]

Barlow says g'day!

Would prefer Dunstan from the Saints as they may now need to get rid of one of their inside mids and he seems the least in demand. Could we get him for #43?

Gives us some backup for Cripps inside and allows our kids time to develop.