Bluemour Discussion Thread XV - Facts Not Welcome

[Arr0w]

Lucas looked like a really good player early on. So clean below his knees, decent vision, and nice skills.

Just seemed to stagnate, and very quickly.

Always struggled to win contested ball.

Wanted Talia in that draft.......

Just another failed selection

 

[katmanblue]

We need a pod of Cripps a cauldron of Charlies and a parliament of Docherty's

At the moment we have a Dearth of Docherty.

And surely it's a Pride of Cripps.

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[SkyhorseTamer]

That’s ok dangerous Dane you don’t need to defend me - if you’re not part of the clique here then personal abuse is allowed to fly and is par for the course.

Clean up of a pallet of sugar - aisle 5,

How sad. Didn't throw any personal abuse. Just called you on another of your negative statements.

In fact what you've done is accused me of being part of some group thinking clique. Can't say that isnt closer to personal abuse than what I said to you.

 

[Fat Kent]

So Gibbons and Cottrell are now official.

What happens if they get a season ending injury? Can we replace them?

 

[The Bighouse]

So Gibbons and Cottrell are now official.

What happens if they get a season ending injury? Can we replace them?

Yes, they’ll be rookies.
SSP deadline for 15th March, mid-season draft after round 11

 

[La Dispute]

Always struggled to win contested ball.

Wanted Talia in that draft.......

Just another failed selection

Definitely a poor choice, I feel we could still have salvaged something with Lucas though and turned him into a reasonable HFF. Had decent goal sense too - used to routinely slot goals from acute angles.

Shame

 

[thylacine60]

dunno if it was his hammy, his attitude around mirrors or discomfort around contact..........lucas is better off gone for mine................

 

[Blue and Blue]

Definitely a poor choice, I feel we could still have salvaged something with Lucas though and turned him into a reasonable HFF. Had decent goal sense too - used to routinely slot goals from acute angles.

Shame

Not trying to pinch Jab's thunder or the concept..
But on the mongrel scale Lucas was on the negative side of the ledger..wide eyed and footsteps syndrome unfortunately

 

[passmark]

dunno if it was his hammy, his attitude around mirrors or discomfort around contact..........lucas is better off gone for mine................

When Lucas was on the Eagles list he played a final against West Perth.....man I yelled some nasty stuff that day. Not sure why, I quite liked him sometimes and thought he might have been a half decent player. I'm putting it down to the jumper he was wearing which brings out my softer side....much like an Essendon jumper.

 

[HARKER]

dunno if it was his hammy, his attitude around mirrors or discomfort around contact..........lucas is better off gone for mine................

The CFC can't disown the blame for lack of development and mis-managing injured players altogether, either.

Lucas had some right in being aggrieved for his lack of management in his first year.
I'd be surprised if Giles also hasn't had some claim against the CFC for mis-management.

The leaders at the time may also care to put their hands up for not involving the collective as we are currently doing so and when you draw the line to the end conclusion.......we have to go to the top. We were a rabble.

 

[TeeJay Blue]

At the moment we have a Dearth of Docherty.

And surely it's a Pride of Cripps.

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All ready to deliver a murder of Crows.

Here's hoping.

 

[La Dispute]

Both parties aren’t without blame but I’m just as inclined to see Lucas’ decline as a bigger part of our appalling football program. It’s not as if he didn’t show a heap in his first season and then kind of wither away.

He was also very highly rated in his draft year (and previous underage season), and a relative slider in his draft.

I don’t buy the lack of courage argument either. Every player is on the continuum somewhere, and this certainly wasn’t an issue in year one. What he really lacked was confidence and continuity at AFL level.

 

[DangerousD]

No it isn't cause your math is wrong

There is no math in there mate, just facts of how many clubs had picks from 6 to 19 so I'm not sure what you are calling wrong.

But say Adelaide had Stocker 4th but their 2nd and 3rd were on the board. They took 2 and 3

Adelaide had picks 9 and 16, passing on Stocker both times. With Lukoscious, Rankine, Rozee all from SA and drooled over most of the year taken in the top 5, i think its pretty obvious Stocker wasn't in their top 6. If he was, they wouldn't have traded their pick to us and allow us to grab him.

Port were the other team with multiple picks after 6, coming at 12 and 18. Taking in to account the 4 SA taken in the top 10, add Walsh and then the two guys they took ahead of Stocker, that makes it pretty hard to rate him top 6.

It's not a correct or safe assumption at all.

Its called an opinion based on my observations, its not wrong and the fact we we picked a guy at 19 who was in none of the draft watchers top 10, none of the phantom drafts top 10 and in none of our in the know posters top 10, i think the assumption that no other clubs had him top 6 is pretty spot on.

 

[DangerousD]

Very possible a few other clubs had him in their top 10 though, maybe as high as us.

I'd say the first 4 picks would have been unanimous (maybe some reordering of those four). Take out the academy players that clubs would have ranked for bid purposes, but not had any expectation of getting anyway. Comes down to how clubs ranked the next dozen players.

Could have been next on the list for GWS after Caldwell and Hately - similar types of players.
WB may have had him close behind Smith as a midfield option.


The morale of the story though - is that you can't definitively say that nobody else rated him as highly as we did. Others may have been in the same position as us, but unable or unwilling to do a trade.

Its possible of course, top 10 sure, but going off pre draft speculation and reports since, it seems we rated him higher than others. Thats how i read it, i have no problems with this by the way. I also question whether SOS actually had him 6 or if that was just a throw away line for the footage.

I also don't think players ranked top 5 by some recruiters make it to 19, after the top 10 i can see lots of opinions and ratings change but not much earlier.

 

[DangerousD]

Im putting it out there, Im calling BS on SOS having Stocker at 6 on his list

 

[Dadda Dave]

Plus, the Saints have a poor record when it comes to short people

& football

 

[JustaBattler]

Im putting it out there, Im calling BS on SOS having Stocker at 6 on his list

Your theory can't ever be proved wrong - therefore it is unscientific - nice one

 

[thylacine60]

Im putting it out there, Im calling BS on SOS having Stocker at 6 on his list

Im putting it out there if Doc hadn't re-injured himself he would have won our B & F............

 

[JustaBattler]

Im putting it out there if Doc hadn't re-injured himself he would have won our B & F............

See above.

 

[thylacine60]

 

[JustaBattler]

yeah yeah - I got it the first time...

 

[thylacine60]

 

[Michael Jezz]

That's my worry too. We desperately need a productive small forward.

Lang is the best bet if he can get fit in the next 6 weeks. He can crumb and tackle
Murphy does not tackle
Polson lacks polish
Gibbons and E curnow detract from midfield

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Lang is the best bet if he can get fit in the next 6 weeks. He can crumb and tackle
Murphy does not tackle
Polson lacks polish
Gibbons and E curnow detract from midfield

Murphy does tackle, cracks in hard for someone so small and with such dodgy shoulders too.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Lang is the best bet if he can get fit in the next 6 weeks. He can crumb and tackle
Murphy does not tackle
Polson lacks polish
Gibbons and E curnow detract from midfield

Fasolo will be available come rounds 2-3.

Resting mids can apply pressure.