Bluemour Discussion Thread XV - Facts Not Welcome

[HereComesJuddy]

1 - Walsh
2 - Luko
3 - Rankine
4 - Rozee
5 - M. King
6 - Smith
7 - B. King

Lock it in.

Agree! Gcs will take Rozee and I think he could be the best from this draft. We will take walsh and the 3 SA lads will go to gcs. No point them giving us 3 and 6 (or later picks) when retention is their issue. There are 3 genuine talents coming their way who are friends. Its the sensible option

 

[dlb99]

It’s irrelant where they are drafted. We’re looking at the total makeup of our team, which is lacking a small forward who can play higher up if required. The beauty of getting Rankine at 3 is we get Smith or Caldwell at pick 6 to balance out our midfield needs. You don’t get small forwards as good as Rankine with late picks - players of his caliber are exceptionally rare.

Completely underselling Rioli here too. The team overall was incredibly balance, hard-working and team-oriented. Small forwards can and do have low-possession games, it’s what they do with the possessions that’s important. Walsh’s stats get padded by the number of 1-2’s he gets and by the number of times his teammates will pass to him out of position.

Not sure where this perception Rankine is flaky comes from either? Smashed it at the champs and at SANFL level, and consistently kills it in big games. He’s the complete opposite of flaky.

This dichotomy of small forward = lazy is complete rubbish overall. There are as many lazy down-hill skiing midfielders in the league. They just don’t get called out because even in a poor performance they’ll notice up 20 meaningless stats, and get a pass mark.

Rankine is a future star

It is completely relevant where they were drafted, many of the best small forwards are late picks.

Small forwards totally depend on upfield, no upfield equals no impact. We suck in the middle, that is a higher need.

We do NOT have picks 3 & 6, and are unlikely to get them. We have a single top 10 pick at pick 1, which must not be used on Izak Rankine, he can't even spell his name correctly.

 

[La Dispute]

It is completely relevant where they were drafted, many of the best small forwards are late picks.

Small forwards totally depend on upfield, no upfield equals no impact. We suck in the middle, that is a higher need.

We do NOT have picks 3 & 6, and are unlikely to get them. We have a single top 10 pick at pick 1, which must not be used on Izak Rankine, he can't even spell his name correctly.

This is a big misnomer. Small forwards work up towards the wings, and create opportunities for turnovers in the middle. Look at the way Collingwood’s small forwards work together, and compliment each other perfectly.

Midfielders are certainly relevant, but they aren’t the only factor in small forwards accessing the ball. In any case I’d much rather have Bailey Smith hitting up a leading forward than Walsh who loops the ball far too much. In general play this works as he can lob the ball in to a player running into space, but his kicks will get intercepted at AFL level when he’s up against some much tighter structures that don’t allow any margin for error.

We’ve been talking about the hypothetical for weeks - surely you’re aware campaigning for Rankine is contingent with wanting 3 and 6.

 

[bmaurizio]

It’s irrelant where they are drafted. We’re looking at the total makeup of our team, which is lacking a small forward who can play higher up if required. The beauty of getting Rankine at 3 is we get Smith or Caldwell at pick 6 to balance out our midfield needs. You don’t get small forwards as good as Rankine with late picks - players of his caliber are exceptionally rare.

Completely underselling Rioli here too. The team overall was incredibly balance, hard-working and team-oriented. Small forwards can and do have low-possession games, it’s what they do with the possessions that’s important. Walsh’s stats get padded by the number of 1-2’s he gets and by the number of times his teammates will pass to him out of position.

Not sure where this perception Rankine is flaky comes from either? Smashed it at the champs and at SANFL level, and consistently kills it in big games. He’s the complete opposite of flaky.

This dichotomy of small forward = lazy is complete rubbish overall. There are as many lazy down-hill skiing midfielders in the league. They just don’t get called out because even in a poor performance they’ll notice up 20 meaningless stats, and get a pass mark.

Rankine is a future star

Agree with you on Rankine’s ability, he’ll make Lions 1st pick last year look pedestrian.
If one wants , ability , footy IQ , athleticism just general skills it’s impossible to look past Rankine or Lukosius best small and tall in years , it’s been repeated at infinitum by many experts and amateur draft watchers, is it just hype? don’t think so.
Unfortunately they’re not Victorian it’s shame two elite future jets. Walsh will be a very good footballer help rectify are midfield no doubt, Sam and Pat will be a joy to watch in synchronicity.
Perhaps next year we can look at flair & flashy stuff.

 

[ferrisb]

Roy and HG even made the rhythmic gymnastics worth watching

"hello boys"

 

[ferrisb]

No such thing as a stupid question..

C'mon Dave... You've been around BF long enough to know otherwise

 

[ferrisb]

Reckon there will be a countdown clock...list managers with beads of sweat and pliers ...do I cut the green or the red...blockbuster movie style

And the countdown clock left frozen at 00:01

EVERY time.

 

[ferrisb]

Bring new meaning to the battered Sav.

I assumed that term was coined when Levi started his goal-kicking tutelage....

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Fox Sports article on the Suns trading 6 and 24 for 4 is on the money.

Suns will draft all 3 high end SA boys in Luko, Rankine, and Rozee while the Saints will draft Smith. Max King to Port with 5.

Gives the Suns a greater likelihood of keeping all three rather than two and Port taking Rozee.

Makes sense....GCS lost their two captains, and probably their two best players, in Lynch and May. The 'compensation' they received for them was pick 3 for Lynch and pick 6 for May. So to give them up for pick 1 - an untried 18 year old, although looks like being a good one - seems highly unlikely....equates to trading Lynch and May for Walsh.

Trading 6 (and a 2nd rounder) for 4 a much better outcome for them from a draft perspective.....three potential young guns....the challenge they'll have though, is keeping all three of them.

For the Walsh fans, get the beers on ice

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

"hello boys"

"spinning date"

 

[TwiggleyFanClub]

"spinning date"

"Dutch Wink"

 

[Opine]

Agree with you on Rankine’s ability, he’ll make Lions 1st pick last year look pedestrian.
If one wants , ability , footy IQ , athleticism just general skills it’s impossible to look past Rankine or Lukosius best small and tall in years , it’s been repeated at infinitum by many experts and amateur draft watchers, is it just hype? don’t think so.
Unfortunately they’re not Victorian it’s shame two elite future jets. Walsh will be a very good footballer help rectify are midfield no doubt, Sam and Pat will be a joy to watch in synchronicity.
Perhaps next year we can look at flair & flashy stuff.

A little off topic, but it's a good opportunity to raise an important issue in light of the current scenario.

• The players association, should stfu. They cannot have their cake and eat it too.
• Clubs should not be expected to ignore the very real impact of the go home factor; particularly clubs that are are in the regenerative phase of a socialist AFL system.
• The standard AFL player agreements should be altered so as to include a prior player authorization clause; enabling clubs to ontrade the player to another club without the need for additional approval; similar clauses exist in some employment contracts enabling one subsidiary to transfer an employee to another subsidiary.
• Provided there is some sort of machinery built in, to accommodate for expenses and compensate for transfer, it could benefit a players footy career.
• It would go some way to alleviating the go home risk factor .

 

[ferrisb]

I'd rather Rankine be a Robbie Gray than the Dominator, Johnno wouldn't last a month under the microscope players face these days

No, but his instagram feed would be a sight to behold....

 

[Brock Landers]

I am always weary of the 2 for 1 deals -sometimes they don’t provide the value you think they will.
A classy midfielder that has exceptional leadership and character traits is enough for me. Vote 1 : S.Walsh.

 

[bmaurizio]

A little off topic, but it's a good opportunity to raise an important issue in light of the current scenario.

• The players association, should stfu. They cannot have their cake and eat it too.
• Clubs should not be expected to ignore the very real impact of the go home factor; particularly clubs that are are in the regenerative phase of a socialist AFL system.
• The standard AFL player agreements should be altered so as to include a prior player authorization clause; enabling clubs to ontrade the player to another club without the need for additional approval; similar clauses exist in some employment contracts enabling one subsidiary to transfer an employee to another subsidiary.
• Provided there is some sort of machinery built in, to accommodate for expenses and compensate for transfer, it could benefit a players footy career.
• It would go some way to alleviating the go home risk factor .

Agree the impact of go home factor is enormous on teams that are excluded by force from elite talent, they're penalised unfairly more so evident in an absolutely ripping top 10 as in 2018.
We can’t be critical of teenagers for being unwilling to live thousands of kms away from family, friends and the footy environment so familiar. There all unique and human after all. AFL must address go home factor soon, as the draft becomes more sophisticated and unconventional, teams concerns will get louder.

 

[Michael Jezz]

I am always weary of the 2 for 1 deals -sometimes they don’t provide the value you think they will.
A classy midfielder that has exceptional leadership and character traits is enough for me. Vote 1 : S.Walsh.

Agree, the best outcome for Carlton is a "classy midfielder that has exceptional character traits". That sounds like Bailey Smith to me with Rozee, King as steak knives. Unfortunately, I think we are dreaming and Walsh on his own is good consolation

 

[Michael Jezz]

A really boring draft period from a Carlton perspective. It is predetermined Walsh/Silvagni + 1.
You could shut the site down until Saturday week and we wouldn't miss much.

 

[Brock Landers]

Agree, the best outcome for Carlton is a "classy midfielder that has exceptional character traits". That sounds like Bailey Smith to me with Rozee, King as steak knives. Unfortunately, I think we are dreaming and Walsh on his own is good consolation

His coach Mick Turner is an astute judge of a players and he believes we would be foolish to not select him. If I can remember correctly he was one of the only draft watcher/judge that rated C.Curnow the best player in his draft year.
His opinion alone is enough for me.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Will go a bit like the Shiel deal I reckon !!
Heaps of hype and whispers and bullshit offers.. SOS keeps 1 and will use it on Walshy..

Speaking of Shiel, where have all the people gone who were saying "why bother paying a first round pick for Shiel when we can get him for free next year"

 

[Eiffel 65]

Sam Walsh at 1

or,

Bailey Smith at 3.
Jye Caldwell at 6.

Add to Cripps, Kennedy Dow, Setterfield, Fisher, LOB, SPS

Midfield set either way.

Honestly, we can't lose either way.

Wouldn't surprise me if Caldwell slips just outside the top 10 given his history with soft tissue injuries.

Just look at a player like Nakia Cockatoo. Can't get on the park.

He justifies the top 10 selection on talent, but it's a big risk.

 

[Jimmae]

Fox Sports article on the Suns trading 6 and 24 for 4 is on the money.

Suns will draft all 3 high end SA boys in Luko, Rankine, and Rozee while the Saints will draft Smith. Max King to Port with 5.

Gives the Suns a greater likelihood of keeping all three rather than two and Port taking Rozee.

1 - Walsh
2 - Luko
3 - Rankine
4 - Rozee
5 - M. King
6 - Smith
7 - B. King

Lock it in.

Thanks Wick, but **** that scenario

I agree in principle and this discussion can certainly be expanded on.

I understand some just want more shiny new toys and lots of them.
Given when we really look hard at our list, we may find we don't need many new toys, but just the best toy.

Next year, we could easily be delisting the following:

Cuningham
Kerr
Lang
Schumacher
Garlett
Lobbe
Phillips
Thomas
Simpson
Pickett
Fasolo

Some of them are lucky to still be on the list IMO (though I am not really questioning their work ethic or character, save for maybe Pickett), so absolutely we need more toys than just Walsh and BSOS. Free agency can fill the gap a little, but if players like Macreadie and Polson fail to develop, we're potentially a bit ****ed.

 

[dlb99]

Wouldn't surprise me if Caldwell slips just outside the top 10 given his history with soft tissue injuries.

Just look at a player like Nakia Cockatoo. Can't get on the park.

He justifies the top 10 selection on talent, but it's a big risk.

We have Andrew Russell, I am sure he could manage Caldwell's issues.

I love Caldwell's field kicking; that translates to the AFL level.

GWS will be getting a beauty if he lasts to them.

 

[BlueJet]

His coach Mick Turner is an astute judge of a players and he believes we would be foolish to not select him. If I can remember correctly he was one of the only draft watcher/judge that rated C.Curnow the best player in his draft year.
His opinion alone is enough for me.

Turner as Falcons Talent Manager wouldn't be doing his job if he wasn't talking up the prospects of Falcons players,
To each their own of course but I take his appraisals of Falcons players with a grain of salt as he does have a habit of adding some mayo.

 

[thylacine60]

A really boring draft period from a Carlton perspective. It is predetermined Walsh/Silvagni + 1.
You could shut the site down until Saturday week and we wouldn't miss much.

Michael, I wear a suit and polish my shoes before I sat down and log onto BF - it's a part of my lifestyle, like the theatre and fossicking at the tip - please don't take that away from me and those unfortunate enough to be like me.

 

[thylacine60]

Turner as Falcons Talent Manager wouldn't be doing his job if he wasn't talking up the prospects of Falcons players,
To each their own of course but I take his appraisals of Falcons players with a grain of salt as he does have a habit of adding some mayo.

hendo nods his head sagely.........